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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    madara is insulting kakashis intelligence. that is all
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasuke Uzumaki View Post
    First, thanks for reading. I use to say in my opinion as I dont believe in full truths, and I democratically believe others can think otherwise. Besides, I say in my opinion when the manga does not give me enough backup to support them, which is usual as Kishi tends to hide info from us.



    My points are at the plot not being sound in some of its stories. For a man who believes hes god its not realistic to decide to have faith in another one who is not a god like himself. Besides the bijuu where the aim of his life.



    Of course it wasnt the villagers, but do you really think its logical for those in the Firecountry to just believe in Danzou, who ran away to a meeting instead of helping the villagers when he is a strong man? I cannot agree, strong men are the one who must fight in battles, he just said he was fit and they believed him in spite of not doing anything to avoid Konohas destruction.



    But Im not speaking specifically about Itachi, theres no reason for Sasuke to believe that the Demon foxs attack was a natural disaster, as he has previously spoken to the fox, and Itachi has told him that it was Madara who attacked the village 16 years ago.

    And about the Uchihas living in another neighbourhood because they were hated, come on, they were the strongest! Maybe they just chose to, in order to be able to train their children together or because they felt a bit superior as a clan. Whatever, there's something Madara is not telling us.



    I agree about this, it seems he's mad at being attacked.

    But my 2 main points were that; 1) Sasuke has very terribly bad-guy-like moments but he's not super-bad the whole time 2) its just silly for an Akatsuki member to appear there and for the kages to think only about Sasuke. If another Akatsuki is there, intellingent Kages would try to find the whole of them.



    LOL, cannot say as I am from another country. I meant to say that it would have been logical for him to try to speak to Raikage, but not to bow in front of him.

    its nice to see you here, and as always with very good posts

    i understand what you say, things are not making a lot of sense as the story develops, but in my opinion i like this way.

    About pain i agree, a god wouldn't believe anyone besides himself, why trust a ninja lower than him??, but i think that pain himself had the conviction that he was god because he was spreading justice and pain , and no one opposed him, that's made him a god.
    That's why when naruto appeared to confront him, and was strong enough to make him serious, nagato's beliefs were shaken.

    And if nagato thought he was a god bcause of some other reason he is stupid, because a true god does not obey or take orders from no one and he was being owned by madara.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    tobi got captured ?? if tobi is madara i dont think he would get captured that easily and when kakashi ask if he is Uchiha Madara he didnt really answer back. So is Tobi really marada ? i hope we can find out in this next few chapters.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart2kill View Post
    tobi got captured ?? If tobi is madara i dont think he would get captured that easily and when kakashi ask if he is uchiha madara he didnt really answer back. So is tobi really marada ? I hope we can find out in this next few chapters.
    he said he wanted to talk. Clear as day!! when hes done HE WILL WARP AWAY
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narut0h0lic View Post
    its nice to see you here, and as always with very good posts

    i understand what you say, things are not making a lot of sense as the story develops, but in my opinion i like this way.

    About pain i agree, a god wouldn't believe anyone besides himself, why trust a ninja lower than him??, but i think that pain himself had the conviction that he was god because he was spreading justice and pain , and no one opposed him, that's made him a god.
    That's why when naruto appeared to confront him, and was strong enough to make him serious, nagato's beliefs were shaken.

    And if nagato thought he was a god bcause of some other reason he is stupid, because a true god does not obey or take orders from no one and he was being owned by madara.
    i totally agree with u, remember that nagato call him god only bcoz it was yahiko dreams and nagato respects that. nagato just twisted by the ways of the ninja world, instead of trying to get peace in jirayia way, by calling himself as a god he wanted destroy everything and start eveything from the begining.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    m they returned the site back to normal cool anyways i think the kage is gonna die by sasuke hands in the next couple of chapters or at least get his butt woop but sasuke wont go unhurt (unless he jsut uses the black flame jutsu and frys the kage like that) mean while madara tells naruto everything about sasuke hate for his brother then hate for the village once he relized why his brother did what he did and naruto gonna be like "no it cant be" and is still gonna be a stubborn and try to save sasuke out of his hatred and then tell madara how he got pein on his side. madara is gonna laugh at him and say it was fun chatting with you and leaves or zetzu (dark side) comes out of the ground and breaks the wood hold madara then they both leave (i notice only wood and harm madara) and IF sasuke does come back i think the only way is for him to come back blinded when he loses all of his powers he will be even more emo and maybe suicidal but thats my guess on how sasuke gonna come back he gets his eye cut out and naruto saves him.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by donnic View Post
    m they returned the site back to normal cool anyways i think the kage is gonna die by sasuke hands in the next couple of chapters or at least get his butt woop but sasuke wont go unhurt (unless he jsut uses the black flame jutsu and frys the kage like that) mean while madara tells naruto everything about sasuke hate for his brother then hate for the village once he relized why his brother did what he did and naruto gonna be like "no it cant be" and is still gonna be a stubborn and try to save sasuke out of his hatred and then tell madara how he got pein on his side. madara is gonna laugh at him and say it was fun chatting with you and leaves or zetzu (dark side) comes out of the ground and breaks the wood hold madara then they both leave (i notice only wood and harm madara) and IF sasuke does come back i think the only way is for him to come back blinded when he loses all of his powers he will be even more emo and maybe suicidal but thats my guess on how sasuke gonna come back he gets his eye cut out and naruto saves him.
    zetzu doesnt need to come in there to break the wood tobi can just teleport out
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by askater1130 View Post
    zetzu doesnt need to come in there to break the wood tobi can just teleport out
    yea thats a strong possibly but did you notice all attacks went thru him but the wood that would also explain why he was defeated by the first hokage
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Raikage just a muscle he cant fight like Tsunade and Sakura or RAIKAGE more stronger than he brother (8 tailed beast)??? oh and NARUTO IS IDIOT just attacked tobi?! how phatethic tobi is just want to talk! and he more 100 year old naruto just 17-or 18! naruto is so BOORISH. naruto still love sasuke like a girlfriend.....
    Gaaraa dint understand anything act like a child and foolish so annoying now he is just a SOOOO middle character, Sasuke gonna kill raikage and the 8 tailed beast gonna revenge for he brother he gonna attack hidden leaf and bring a new WAR!! tobi gonna kill yamato because yamato using the first hokage theknik wood element!. ahh and Sharingan can see the future zabuza said now kakashi can see the future and tobi?
    and sasuke told and itachi too before the fight start.
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Narut0h0lic View Post
    its nice to see you here, and as always with very good posts

    i understand what you say, things are not making a lot of sense as the story develops, but in my opinion i like this way.

    About pain i agree, a god wouldn't believe anyone besides himself, why trust a ninja lower than him??, but i think that pain himself had the conviction that he was god because he was spreading justice and pain , and no one opposed him, that's made him a god.
    That's why when naruto appeared to confront him, and was strong enough to make him serious, nagato's beliefs were shaken.

    And if nagato thought he was a god bcause of some other reason he is stupid, because a true god does not obey or take orders from no one and he was being owned by madara.
    Hi and thanks .

    OK, no author is perfect and there can always be a weak spot, but I'm finding too much lately. Even if it was not logical, I did like Zetsu suddenly appeating, but expected something more logical after that.
    I don't find it logical for Nagato's beliefs to be shaken in less than 15 minutes after a whole life of believing only in himself.

    Peace anyway. People can think differently.

    Oh, and thanks to moderatos for coming back to the white screens, the black ones were so confusing.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    tobi wanted to be caught. im sure wood has nothing to do with warping. when madara is done talking he will warp out
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasuke Uzumaki View Post
    Hi and thanks .

    OK, no author is perfect and there can always be a weak spot, but I'm finding too much lately. Even if it was not logical, I did like Zetsu suddenly appeating, but expected something more logical after that.
    I don't find it logical for Nagato's beliefs to be shaken in less than 15 minutes after a whole life of believing only in himself.

    Peace anyway. People can think differently.

    Oh, and thanks to moderatos for coming back to the white screens, the black ones were so confusing.
    he did not believed for his whole life, remember he kept fighting after losing yahiko, but i guess twisted by the madaras way of explaining how he can change the things around him using how power.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Hi, here is my analysis from the last episode (460).

    The dark figure is none other than Dark side Zetsu. Here are the evidence i've found:



    red: Look at the eyes, they are really similar. There is 2 in this image because its not physical Dark Side Zetsu, its his chakra (detected by Karin). I see Zetsu as 2 part (like the sound nin Sakun and Ukon) but with a major difference. When they split they dont look full (see the manga image with the yellow circle). While detected the chakra would look like a full human body.

    blue: Those tails would be the shape of Zetsu's flower. Some thinks its a hand, but hands doesnt have 6 fingers. Sasuke in the middle of the flower would symbolize the fact that he is possessed. I'm not into the dark chakra fuelled by all the hatred because we never saw that in Naruto, and there was alot of hate fueled ninja during all the episodes (exemple: pain).

    yellow: Still, its a chakra form, but i think Zetsu's teeth are similar as Suigetsu's, pointy teeth. In the blurry chakra form possessing Sasuke, i think its plausible to think that Dark Zetsu as that kind of grin.

    We dont know Zetsu at all. No jutsu is known (beside the transport one), so im sure he can possess people just like my theory explained. Karin saw a dark colder chakra in Sasuke. Dark Zetsu looks like the worst badass, cold hearted, cannibalistic etc... Sasuke was never clearly evil before, so he could have had a normal chakra. He never killed when he wasnt forced to, but now with the addition of the possession by Zetsu is action are turning evil.

    Why Zetsu would have to possess Sasuke ? To make him unforgivable. Sasuke would never killed an innocent (Danzo isnt innocent). Now that he looks like a cold blooded murderer (killing neutral foes), other country (and surely the Fire Country) will really want to stop him. Who will be left on is side, filthy Tobi-Madara, who will use him to sync with Gedo Mazo.

    Tobi is talking with Naruto to make him loose time (to prevent the heart changing speech on Sasuke) and to let Sasuke fall deeper in the darkness in the eyes of everyone else. That or Tobi will try to make Naruto change is mind on Sasuke. But that won't happen because Naruto will never back down on is word (thats is ninja way !!!).

    Then there is the cursed seal theory. I don't think it was anything to have with the dark chakra. The fact that Juggo seems to know what is happening is maybe because of the transplanted flesh on Sasuke. He can feel the dark chakra from Zetsu, but isnt possessed because he isnt engulfed in it.

    Well for now i think its enough...
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by SasukeWillComeBack View Post
    Hi, here is my analysis from the last episode (460).

    The dark figure is none other than Dark side Zetsu. Here are the evidence i've found:

    red: Look at the eyes, they are really similar. There is 2 in this image because its not physical Dark Side Zetsu, its his chakra (detected by Karin). I see Zetsu as 2 part (like the sound nin Sakun and Ukon) but with a major difference. When they split they dont look full (see the manga image with the yellow circle). While detected the chakra would look like a full human body.

    blue: Those tails would be the shape of Zetsu's flower. Some thinks its a hand, but hands doesnt have 6 fingers. Sasuke in the middle of the flower would symbolize the fact that he is possessed. I'm not into the dark chakra fuelled by all the hatred because we never saw that in Naruto, and there was alot of hate fueled ninja during all the episodes (exemple: pain).

    yellow: Still, its a chakra form, but i think Zetsu's teeth are similar as Suigetsu's, pointy teeth. In the blurry chakra form possessing Sasuke, i think its plausible to think that Dark Zetsu as that kind of grin.

    We dont know Zetsu at all. No jutsu is known (beside the transport one), so im sure he can possess people just like my theory explained. Karin saw a dark colder chakra in Sasuke. Dark Zetsu looks like the worst badass, cold hearted, cannibalistic etc... Sasuke was never clearly evil before, so he could have had a normal chakra. He never killed when he wasnt forced to, but now with the addition of the possession by Zetsu is action are turning evil.

    Why Zetsu would have to possess Sasuke ? To make him unforgivable. Sasuke would never killed an innocent (Danzo isnt innocent). Now that he looks like a cold blooded murderer (killing neutral foes), other country (and surely the Fire Country) will really want to stop him. Who will be left on is side, filthy Tobi-Madara, who will use him to sync with Gedo Mazo.

    Tobi is talking with Naruto to make him loose time (to prevent the heart changing speech on Sasuke) and to let Sasuke fall deeper in the darkness in the eyes of everyone else. That or Tobi will try to make Naruto change is mind on Sasuke. But that won't happen because Naruto will never back down on is word (thats is ninja way !!!).

    Then there is the cursed seal theory. I don't think it was anything to have with the dark chakra. The fact that Juggo seems to know what is happening is maybe because of the transplanted flesh on Sasuke. He can feel the dark chakra from Zetsu, but isnt possessed because he isnt engulfed in it.

    Well for now i think its enough...
    TANKS GOD!! Good one, it`s my belief to and i try to say that from yesterday and nobody (ok maybe 1 or 2) think we right. ok it`s just a opinion but IM SURE WE HAVE FOUND IT!!!
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by dominykus View Post
    TANKS GOD!! Good one, it`s my belief to and i try to say that from yesterday and nobody (ok maybe 1 or 2) think we right. ok it`s just a opinion but IM SURE WE HAVE FOUND IT!!!
    Thx, it was my opinion...the vision of the dark cold heart sasuke have become seem too esoteric for me...Chakra seeing ninja would have noticed that type of chakra in at least on of the 460 episode before !!!

    My opinion on the fight between Raikage and Sasuke...I think that the fight will get interupted, but i also think that Sasuke will get the upper hand. Maybe not in the beggining but at one moment it will be as i said. He got the eyes and he is possessed by something (Zetsu if i stand my ground), so he wont fight to hurt but to kill...sadly.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by SasukeWillComeBack View Post
    Hi, here is my analysis from the last episode (460).

    The dark figure is none other than Dark side Zetsu. Here are the evidence i've found:



    red: Look at the eyes, they are really similar. There is 2 in this image because its not physical Dark Side Zetsu, its his chakra (detected by Karin). I see Zetsu as 2 part (like the sound nin Sakun and Ukon) but with a major difference. When they split they dont look full (see the manga image with the yellow circle). While detected the chakra would look like a full human body.

    blue: Those tails would be the shape of Zetsu's flower. Some thinks its a hand, but hands doesnt have 6 fingers. Sasuke in the middle of the flower would symbolize the fact that he is possessed. I'm not into the dark chakra fuelled by all the hatred because we never saw that in Naruto, and there was alot of hate fueled ninja during all the episodes (exemple: pain).

    yellow: Still, its a chakra form, but i think Zetsu's teeth are similar as Suigetsu's, pointy teeth. In the blurry chakra form possessing Sasuke, i think its plausible to think that Dark Zetsu as that kind of grin.

    We dont know Zetsu at all. No jutsu is known (beside the transport one), so im sure he can possess people just like my theory explained. Karin saw a dark colder chakra in Sasuke. Dark Zetsu looks like the worst badass, cold hearted, cannibalistic etc... Sasuke was never clearly evil before, so he could have had a normal chakra. He never killed when he wasnt forced to, but now with the addition of the possession by Zetsu is action are turning evil.

    Why Zetsu would have to possess Sasuke ? To make him unforgivable. Sasuke would never killed an innocent (Danzo isnt innocent). Now that he looks like a cold blooded murderer (killing neutral foes), other country (and surely the Fire Country) will really want to stop him. Who will be left on is side, filthy Tobi-Madara, who will use him to sync with Gedo Mazo.

    Tobi is talking with Naruto to make him loose time (to prevent the heart changing speech on Sasuke) and to let Sasuke fall deeper in the darkness in the eyes of everyone else. That or Tobi will try to make Naruto change is mind on Sasuke. But that won't happen because Naruto will never back down on is word (thats is ninja way !!!).

    Then there is the cursed seal theory. I don't think it was anything to have with the dark chakra. The fact that Juggo seems to know what is happening is maybe because of the transplanted flesh on Sasuke. He can feel the dark chakra from Zetsu, but isnt possessed because he isnt engulfed in it.

    Well for now i think its enough...
    i think your reading to much into it.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    What is your argument. Im reading to much into it ? I think its pretty simple, IMO the shadow looks like zetsu, that's it :D...
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by SasukeWillComeBack View Post
    What is your argument. Im reading to much into it ? I think its pretty simple, IMO the shadow looks like zetsu, that's it :D...

    if urs is treu zetsu has the strongest charkra
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by culinaryg View Post
    if urs is treu zetsu has the strongest charkra
    Maybe, we don't know anything about him...at all. He could have an incredible amount of chakra (like Kisame) that he can use to supress someone's chakra...but we are maybe going to far now
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    The dark figure can be Zetsu

    the only reason i say this is because i was wondering y would sasuke grin or laugh when white zetsu left and then all of a sudden his eyes turned like or even worse then garra .........

    (the eyes thing of sasuke is a mess up by Kishi the author....my readson i say this is because in page 9 or 8 he forget to draw Kaskshi scar on his eye)
     
         

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