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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    Ao isn't a Hyuuga though, so why involve him in this? He's a Mist Village Shinobi who killed a Hyuuga for his Byakugan........ And it was pretty obvious Shisui had a different moveset of his Mangekyou Sharigan than Itachi and Sasuke.
    I involve him just to show you that nothing is impossible since even a stranger with Byakugan we didn't even know before the Kage summit fought a MS user(Shisui). A non-Hyuga was able to fight the best genjutsu user of the Uchiha clan with his Byakugan, so just imagine a true possessor of the Byakugan using it at his full power(a Hyuga like Hiachi for example)
     
         

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    I'm not, even kakashi had prior knowledge of the MS. The Uchiha clan was renowned for the MS and feared because of it according to itachi. So you think that the hyuuga wouldn't know?
    Nice (: You got that one off.
     
         

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    Nice (: You got that one off.
    Thanks I guess I don't know anyone's stance right now except draegod and bogard. I'm just holding my own and trying to stay awake for the next 10 hours.
     
         

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    Good Thread people sticking up for who's the best this is what I see so far

    Hyuga Defenders: LIES LIES LIES!!! TROLL's TROLL's TROLL's!!!

    Uchiha Defenders: LIES LIES LIES!!! TROLL's TROLL's TROLL's!!!

    Here's some quotes from Itachi

    Don't judge others simply by your preconceptions and judgment based on their appearance. You assumed... that I have patience... You all fail to measure your own capacity, and see the depth of my capacity, and as a result you lie here beaten."

    ''Knowledge and awareness are vague, and perhaps better called illusions. Everyone lives within their own subjective interpretation''
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    I involve him just to show you that nothing is impossible since even a stranger with Byakugan we didn't even know before the Kage summit fought a MS user(Shisui). A non-Hyuga was able to fight the best genjutsu user of the Uchiha clan with his Byakugan, so just imagine a true possessor of the Byakugan using it at his full power(a Hyuga like Hiachi for example)
    A true user of the Byakugan only involve those of the main branch of the family, aside from Neji. Which is very, very few. And in the end, no, Ao had to flee... That's the same outcome of any Mangekyou Sharingan user against a Hyuuga. But since you went there, isn't it a bit funny a Non-Dojutsu user defeated a Hyuuga in the first place?
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    Thanks I guess I don't know anyone's stance right now except draegod and bogard. I'm just holding my own and trying to stay awake for the next 10 hours.
    I'm actually enjoying this. Haha and good luck with that. o.O

    Note: I apologize for my double posting, I didn't see the other comment towards me.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    A true user of the Byakugan only involve those of the main branch of the family, aside from Neji. Which is very, very few. And in the end, no, Ao had to flee... That's the same outcome of any Mangekyou Sharingan user against a Hyuuga. But since you went there, isn't it a bit funny a Non-Dojutsu user defeated a Hyuuga in the first place?
    That is pretty funny and it was a main branch user which only adds insult to injury lol. I don't think Ao fled although I could be wrong. Do you have the manga pages?

    The manga just states they fought before not that Ao fled.
     
         
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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Gonna say this once more, Kishi was overpowering Byakugan to make it seem scary and unbeatable at the time, he's just that good of a writer, it's nothing now
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    A true user of the Byakugan only involve those of the main branch of the family, aside from Neji. Which is very, very few. And in the end, no, Ao had to flee... That's the same outcome of any Mangekyou Sharingan user against a Hyuuga. But since you went there, isn't it a bit funny a Non-Dojutsu user defeated a Hyuuga in the first place?
    Where is it said Ao had to flee? Also, every Hyuga is borned with Byakugan but it doesn't mean every Hyuga is strong. For example, Hinata was considered as weak eventhough she is from the main family. Ao probably fought a weak Hyuga who knows? Or it's probably Ao who is stronger than we think. So i don't see the point of this argument
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    This is an evening special that I thought up on the spur of the moment. Its taken me nearly an hour to write but I'm finally done. Enjoy guys! :ice: I'm also extremely brain dead after writing this. Keep in mind you don't need to read the manga pages only do so if you doubt my word(this is for people who do not have the patience to read)

    They're 3 dojutsu's in the narutoverse.

    1 Rinnegan
    2 Byakugan
    3 Sharingan

    I have classified the evolutions of the sharingan such as 1 tomoe, 2 tomoe, 3 tomoe, MS, EMS as under sharingan. The rinnegan requires senju DNA so I do not consider it as a pure uchiha dojutsu but a mix of senju of and uchiha therefore it is not classified under sharingan.

    1- The Byakugan is stated as the oldest and greatest bloodline for the leaf village by kakashi who has been using the sharingan for 13 years. Therefore his knowledge and word is far greater then someone who has no experience using dojutsu. Furthermore he is aware of the Mangekyou Sharingan when saying this as when itachi appears he has full knowledge only a sharingan can counter it.


    2-The Byakugan has the best insight of all 3 dojutsu. It allows the use to see 360 degrees(excluding one blind spot) and allows the user to see 50 meters among activation.
    . With the use able to see everything within a 50 meter radius, the enemy cannot surprise them with attacks as they are visible at all times. The user can also see through solid objects and smoke screens making evasion impossible by normal means.

    3-The byakugan allows the user to see chakra flow to the greatest degree.
    With this ability they can use the most powerful taijutsu style gentle fist.
    Gentle fist allows the user to damage internal organs giving them the ability to one shot their opponents if hit in the right areas.
    Also to be noted is the user can determine is genjutsu is being used due to the change in chakra flow. Genjutsu is created when a ninja extends their chakra flow through the cerebral nervous system of their opponent to control their mind, thereby affecting their five senses. Now what makes Byakugan users immune to genjutsu is their mastery of chakra control. All Byakugan users are trained in the art of gentle fist which relies solely on chakra control. Gentle fist employs the use of tenketsus which are pores that release chakra.With being able to utilize tenketsus they can stop the opponents flow of chakra or destroy their organs. Even the sharingan cannot compete as admitted by kakashi whose sharingan skills have received praise by Itachi.


    Now that I have explained the abilities of the Byakugan, I will now explain why it is superior in every way to the sharingan.

    1 (Taijutsu) The sharingan(3 tomoe) allows the user to read the users attacks.
    While this would immediately end the fight, the person who see's the attack must have the ability to counter it. Sasuke has shown that even though he can see the attack, he could not dodge the attack.
    When fighting someone whose trained in taijutsu, you cannot win. The Hyuuga are the strongest taijutsu users in the leaf due to their gentle fist. All the Hyuuga have to do is tap any part of your body to stop chakra flow to that specific part thus ending the taijutsu combat. Furthermore they can sense attacks just like the sharingan


    2 (Ninjutsu) The MS, and EMS are considered to be the reason why the Sharingan is superior to the byakugan. However every skill that the MS and EMS can employ can easily be countered by the byakugan.

    A- Amaterasu. Amaterasu are black flames that travel at incredible speeds. Your reaction timing must be on par to the 4th raikage in order to dodge them.
    Now the Hyuuga can counter Amaterasu very easily. First their eyes allow the user to sense all of the opponents attacks.
    Therefore it has the same ability to perceive and counter attacks as the sharingan does. Next Amaterasu creates pressure in the air.
    Even someone without the insight of the byakugan like Nagato could sense it. To add onto my defense the user can blow amaterasu off their body.
    Here you can see nagato blowing the amaterasu off his body using Shinra tensei. Neji can do the same thing, except by using his chakra.
    By being able to shoot chakra out of all his pores, he can effectively blow off amaterasu. In fact if the byakugan user doesn't care to use heavenly rotation he can just walk through the amaterasu and blow it off without the use of jutsu. Think of it as similar to gaara's sand armor that he wears on his skin. If the Gaara analogy doesn't help you, think of when Gohan is fighting Bojack in SSJ2 and he blows off the strings. Same concept except instead of using raw energy Neji is using chakra(which in a sense is energy).

    B-Tsukuyomi-The Byakugan can sense when an opponent is going to use genjutsu. Since Genjutsu requires you to insert your chakra, they're two ways for the Byakugan user to avoid getting caught in Tsukuyomi. The first way is to just close your eyes and use the sight provided by the Byakugan. Since it allows the use to see in 360 degrees, eye to eye contact is not required. So even if the user chooses to have his eyes open, he does not need to look at the users eye's.
    The second way, is to disrupt your chakra flow.
    Since Byakugan users have perfect chakra control, it is an easy task for them.

    C-Susanoo(oh boy I bet all the fanboys are thinking its impossible) - The Byakugan gives the user the highest degree of insight being able to see all forms of chakra at the highest level. All ninjutsu, Dojutsu, and Genjutsu(plus some forms of taijutsu) require chakra. Susanoo is formed through the materialisation of the user's chakra and as such differs in appearance, as well as colour between users. Therefore Susanoo in itself is just chakra that is unstable unless you possess the perfect susanoo. This spoiler shows susanoo unstable, you can see the head is just like Itachi's and Sasuke's proving that they have an unstable susanoo.
    This shows susanoo in its stable form.
    Now here is where susanoo fails against the Byakugan. Since the Byakugan gives the user the highest degree of chakra insight, it can see the chakra holding the jutsu together. With this ability Neji has destoyed a water dome using the Byakugan and his Tenketsus.
    Something to note is not even the sharingan can do that. Since the Byakugan allows you to see chakra levels making the jutsu active, it can see the chakra keeping susanoo together and disrupt it.

    C1-Susanoo arrows. We have seen how a tree can brush Susanoo arrows off course.
    So with that in mind, chakra which is a lot stronger then tree's so the byakugan would be able to do the same.. Now let me explain something before the fanboys go wild. In the kidimaro vs Neji fight, Neji deflected his high speed arrows in the cursed seal 2 state(a power that is comparable to the one tails) by covering his body in chakra.
    Now the reason he had to do that is because Kidomaro knew the weakness of the byakugan.
    The problem is even if the Sharingan user is using susanoo, neji will not turn his back to it and thus the Byakugan will be able to sense the attack coming. With that he would be able to use heavenly rotation and change the arrow off course. These arrows are no different from other arrows except that the speed which is delivered is too fast to dodge. The Hyuuga have no need to dodge due to heavenly rotation and since they can sense the attack coming, the arrows are useless.

    C2-Susanoo sword. This sword follows the same concept. Now Gaara is able to use normal sand to block susanoo swords.
    Heavenly rotation has been stated to be superior
    . Now logic indicates a superior defense will have the same results or better then the defense it is compared too. No further explanation is needed.

    Kotoamatsukami- This is The most powerful genjutsu to ever be conceived in naruto. The Byakugan is already immune to genjutsu since they can see chakra flow. Due to the fact that this is not a genjutsu that causes a illusion and merely controls your thoughts, in terms of combat effectiveness against a hyuuga its scale of effectiveness is lower then the Tsukuyomi. Now since the Hyuuga can see their chakra flow as well as others they can disrupt the genjutsu without trouble. The byakugan have been stated to see a genjutsu that is similar to KA
    and the byakugan broke that genjutsu of near identical power.


    Kamui-Well there isn't a whole lot to say about this technique. (honestly i'm tired of writing ) So Kamui in terms of defense is not hard to fight against since the Byakugan lets you see everything within a 50 meter radius.. Now offensively it can cause a warp within what is being targeted and cut it off from space. Since the hyuuga can see everything to the highest degree and sense attacks coming that warp would be easy to spot and avoid avoid.

    Susanoo C3- Yasaka Magatama. Look at what I said about susanoo arrows and tone down the difficulty by 100 since this attack is significantly slower then the arrows.

    Susanoo C4-Meteorite Technique. This technique is so amazing and powerful. Since two meteorites are coming to hit the ground, the entire battlefield becomes destroyed. Since the Hyuuga can sense the attack coming and with the clarity of insight, would be able to position himself away from under the meteor. Now that won't stop the battlefield from getting destroyed as the entire radius get's hit with rocks and sand. However heavenly rotation would protect them rocks and sand. The only way this technique would harm a Hyuuga is if it landed on top of their body.

    BONUS!

    Susanoo C5- Perfect Susanoo. Perfect Susanoo sword slash is like a TBB. However against the Byakugan(and a skilled user) it is childs play. Due to being able to sense attacks
    they have the ability to move out of the way. Since the damage is widespread they can cover themselves with chakra and if they are out of the direct slice can use heavenly rotation to stop the widespread damage(rocks and debris falling).

    I'm done never again am I writing something this long and I'm not writing a conclusion so read the whole thing. Thanks for reading this sorry its so long...oh ya suck it uchiha fanboys :P jk but I think there's a good enough argument here to say the Byakugan is superior at the date of 12/1/2012.

    SUMMARY-The Byakugan can defend itself and counter ALL Sharingan/MS/EMS attacks.
    Now why does this even matter if everyone with the Byakugan is unfairly fodderized?
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    Well everyone Hyuga is borned with Byakugan but it doesn't mean every Hyuga is strong. For example, Hinata was considered as weak eventhough she is from the main family. Ao probably fought a weak Hyuga who knows? Or it's probably Ao who is stronger than we think. So i don't see the point of this argument
    The only strong hyuuga is neji and hinata
    the rest are fodders
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    My only question is how did this thread pop up with users again. It was nearly dead with 10 users viewing and now its like 33 users and 40 guest.
     
         
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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    The only strong hyuuga is neji and hinata
    the rest are fodders
    First of all, Hiachi is the strongest Hyuga, neither Neji, nor Hinata is. Furthermore, Hinata was considered as a weaklink in the Hyuga clan, it shows that there are much more powerful Hyugas than Hinata and probably even Neji as well
     
         

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    That is pretty funny and it was a main branch user which only adds insult to injury lol. I don't think Ao fled although I could be wrong. Do you have the manga pages?

    Exactly. o.O and I would have to do some looking, but I do remember it implying that Ao fled. This is gonna be a mission. xD
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Omnipotent View Post
    Now why does this even matter if everyone with the Byakugan is unfairly fodderized?
    I'm not sure why it matters. I just want the byakugan to gain some recognition and respect.

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    The only strong hyuuga is neji and hinata
    the rest are fodders
    Hiashi is by far the strongest hyuuga ever shown in the series and hanabi has been stated to be powerful as well.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narutofan4203 View Post
    First of all, Hiachi is the strongest Hyuga, neither Neji, nor Hinata is. Furthermore, Hinata was considered as a weaklink in the Hyuga clan, it shows that there are much more powerful Hyugas than Hinata and probably even Neji as well
    Hiashi is the leader of the Hyuuga, he has to be. And, no, she was considered weak for main branch standards. She's grown incredibly since then though. It's only implying that she wasn't living up to standards of the main family.
     
         

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    That is pretty funny and it was a main branch user which only adds insult to injury lol. I don't think Ao fled although I could be wrong. Do you have the manga pages?

    The manga just states they fought before not that Ao fled.
    Thanks, well, there's the chance one allowed the other to live.. Seeing as Shisui's reputation as a revered Shinobi was very impressive more than likely Ao was allowed to flee. Shisui did seem really kindhearted before his death, especially during his final talk with Itachi.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    Hiashi is the leader of the Hyuuga, he has to be. And, no, she was considered weak for main branch standards. She's grown incredibly since then though. It's only implying that she wasn't living up to standards of the main family.
    Hinata was considered as weak whether it's for main branch or not since even her sister(4yo) was already able to beat her
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    Thanks, well, there's the chance one allowed the other to live.. Seeing as Shisui's reputation as a revered Shinobi was very impressive more than likely Ao was allowed to flee. Shisui did seem really kindhearted before his death, especially during his final talk with Itachi.
    That's true, shisui was also revered as a genius too. Just some interesting information.
     
         

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    Hinata was considered as weak whether it's for main branch or not since even her sister(4yo) was already able to beat her
    Until her fight with Neji, where she changed, indefinitely. Her weakness came from her indecisiveness and timid nature.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    Until her fight with Neji, where she changed, indefinitely. Her weakness came from her indecisiveness and timid nature.
    She changed in attitude. It doesn't mean it changed her power level
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    It should be 3 tomoe < Byakugan. (It's up to user)
    Not MS or EMS. Just dat cuz of crayz MS techs. Byakugan can't keep up with them.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by MorphyRulez View Post
    It should be 3 tomoe < Byakugan. (It's up to user)
    Not MS or EMS. Just dat cuz of crayz MS techs. Byakugan can't keep up with them.
    The byakugan can counter gives the user the ability to counter them, it doesn't mean the user can due to his inabilities to react.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    I personally think Neiji is the best byakugan user in Naruto but i don't think his Byakugan is on par with Mangekyou Sharigan or Eternal Mangekyou Sharigan. The Uchicha that have this form of Sharigan have access to too many Jutsus that can out class the Byakugan. Now the one, two, and three tomoe Sharigan vs. the Byakugan is an even fight but once it hits the next form the Uchiha have the advantage.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    [QUOTE=Unbiased;9319674]
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    That's true, shisui was also revered as a genius too. Just some interesting information.
    [QUOTE=Koha;9319683]
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    Until her fight with Neji, where she changed, indefinitely. Her weakness came from her indecisiveness and timid nature.
    [QUOTE=Bogard;9319716]
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    She changed in attitude. It doesn't mean it changed her power level
    This isn't DBZ, your attitude would more than likely affect your performance in the heat of battle. As Kurenai said, Hinata's timid attitude caused her team to fail many missions before the Chuunin exams.

    And yeah, bro. But I would like to think of Ao as the Mist's version of Kakashi. xD
     
         
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