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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    After seeing the title I reconsider even to give a chance on this thread but you know,
    the manga is always saying that Uchiha are the most feared around,
    even so Senju has a a few strong members therefore the uchiha clan was considered as the rival clan which is ridiculous because their clan comes from the older brother but w/e.
    Uchiha has a lots of variation and bloodline limit who can bring destruction however it's dangerous to use it without revealing their bloodline limit, but then again it comes a theory saying the byakugan is a stronger doujutsu. I just give up.
     
         
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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by MrSimple View Post
    After seeing the title I reconsider even to give a chance on this thread but you know,
    the manga is always saying that Uchiha are the most feared around,
    even so Senju has a a few strong members therefore the uchiha clan was considered as the rival clan which is ridiculous because their clan comes from the older brother but w/e.
    Uchiha has a lots of variation and bloodline limit who can bring destruction however it's dangerous to use it without revealing their bloodline limit, but then again it comes a theory saying the bayukugan is a stronger doujutsu. I just give up.
    Even though its true the Uchiha and Senju clan were rivals, that does not mean the Byakugan could not be a match for the sharingan. I don't quite understand your stance, but what should be noted is that the Byakugan has the ability to counter the sharingan given the user is skilled enough.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    i find this thread very enlightening
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Gohan Uchiha View Post
    i find this thread very enlightening
    Thank you, I'm glad I brought insight to the byakugan.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    yeah byakugan needs more attention in the manga/anime ! Damn animators
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by YowYan View Post
    yeah byakugan needs more attention in the manga/anime ! Damn animators
    The anime actually has created moves for the byakugan in fillers for example. Even they are aware kishi has abandoned it and trashed it.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    So its settled then, we will all wish for byakugan for christmas
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Good job mate, but im not sure if Byakugan counters Amaterasu. 1 question do you think Neji could defeat Sasuke?
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by TrollingSage View Post
    So its settled then, we will all wish for byakugan for christmas
    I'll start a petition on the U.S. government website and hopefully if we get 25,000 signatures we all can get byakugans lol
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by roncato View Post
    Good job mate, but im not sure if Byakugan counters Amaterasu. 1 question do you think Neji could defeat Sasuke?
    Current sasuke neji would have a 1/10 chance imo. 3 Tomoe sasuke yes. MS eh it can go either way but EMS not likely at all.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    I'll start a petition on the U.S. government website and hopefully if we get 25,000 signatures we all can get byakugans lol
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    So much Uchiha fanboys in this thread being hurt that their precious sharingan can get countered by Byakugan_O-.
    You mad uchiha fanboys? You got a problem with Byakugan? .

    On a more serious note, put normal uchiha members with 1, 2 or 3 tomoe sharingan vs Byakugan wielders and they can all go Insta-hospital or Insta-to-Mommy with all their tenketsus closed .
    An MS user Uchiha, vs a talented Hyuuga, will see his precious sharingan jutsus get countered and hiding in susanoo for to long is not even an option, cause it damages the user itself (if you even have susanoo).
    I find it difficult to mention something about EMS vs Byakugan, cause we have not seen much of EMS yet.
    So I wont go there.

    Kishi should reveal more about the Hyuuga and Byakugan in the near future. He didnt design the clan for no reason.
    Hyuuga and Byakugan are related to the sun and not by coincedence, sharingan to the moon.
    We havent seen the last of the Hyuuga with their Byakugan.

    Thanks to the Byakugan shintenshin combo, the Juubi his Bijou bomb missed (otherwise, Naruto would have been no more). Maybe the start of the attention that Byakugan deserves.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    What an absolute joke.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by meowNverse View Post
    So much Uchiha fanboys in this thread being hurt that their precious sharingan can get countered by Byakugan_O-.
    You mad uchiha fanboys? You got a problem with Byakugan? .

    On a more serious note, put normal uchiha members with 1, 2 or 3 tomoe sharingan vs Byakugan wielders and they can all go Insta-hospital or Insta-to-Mommy with all their tenketsus closed .
    An MS user Uchiha, vs a talented Hyuuga, will see his precious sharingan jutsus get countered and hiding in susanoo for to long is not even an option, cause it damages the user itself (if you even have susanoo).
    I find it difficult to mention something about EMS vs Byakugan, cause we have not seen much of EMS yet.
    So I wont go there.

    Kishi should reveal more about the Hyuuga and Byakugan in the near future. He didnt design the clan for no reason.
    Hyuuga and Byakugan are related to the sun and not by coincedence, sharingan to the moon.
    We havent seen the last of the Hyuuga with their Byakugan.

    Thanks to the Byakugan shintenshin combo, the Juubi his Bijou bomb missed (otherwise, Naruto would have been no more). Maybe the start of the attention that Byakugan deserves.
    uchihas(sharingan) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fodder hyugas(byakugan)
    U MAD?
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Ill quote myself first because that post should've educated you;

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze Release View Post
    I like to enjoy myself sometimes and see what the other person has to say, i should take more interest in disembowelling people from the start instead of going on bit my bit, then get bored and dispatch them. OP clearly do not understand the abilities of the uchiha or the sharingan now does he understand how the doujutsu works along with the hyuga fans therefore ill show you how the doujutsu has been portrayed.

    A doujutsu's powers has been portrayed by its rarity, but also its requirements. Understand these two patterns that kishi has given the reader and you'd came to an understanding of how to rank the doujutsu.

    • The byakugan is from birth, its never activated. All the hyuga have it, it isnt exclusive, its COMMON
    • The sharingan isn't from birth, it has to be activated. Secondly not many people even amongst the uchiha could activate the sharingan
    • The ms is even rarer even amongst the uchiha, but also its requirements is that somebody close to you has to die
    • The ems is even rarer because you must take your siblings eyes and so far only 2 people have activated the ems
    • The rinnegan is even rarer, but also its requirement is that you must have senju dna, but also a near death experience. So far only 1 person, madara had activated it


    Once you grasp and fully understand this you'd be able to deduct that this is how the doujutsu has been ranked;

    • Rinnegan
    • EMS
    • MS
    • Sharingan
    • Byakugan


    Rarity and special circumstances is what distinguishes the doujutsu and effect the power it wields
    Said ill ignore you but ill respond to your post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    The databook page you posted states "with their overwhelming ocular ninjutsu they subdued shinobi groups." Furthermore Itachi also agrees with the databook in stating that they subdued the shinobi clan due to Madara's EMS. They became famous due to Madara's EMS according to Itachi and the databook because after he gained the EMS he was renowned as the strongest shinobi in the world thus making the clan famous. As a matter of fact it even uses the same drawing. So get outta here troll with your lies.


    This is why i dont do this anymore here and instead when i want a challenge i go somewhere else. I told you that the uchiha were feared for many things which has to do with their sharingan and fire affiliation however why they were feared the most was because of their genjutsu. You however said its because of the ms and i even uploaded up a link and explained to you that, only a handful of people in the uchiha had awakened the ms.

    Ill try and make it sink in. Ill make it clear why the uchiha were feared for the sharingan based genjutsu and not the ms.

    Here Chiyo claims its been long since she has fought a sharingan user. Here she says if its a 1 vs 1 fight flee because you cannot win. She later explains that the best way to counter sharingan based genjutsu is the parter method, which in a 1 vs 1 fight you obvious do not get.

    This is where it gets interesting. All along she was speaking of the sharingan and NOT the ms. Its here that kakashi tells here that, the parter method will not work with the MS. That alone is enough along with the facts that only a few activated the ms to state that its the sharingan abilities particularly genjutsu is where their hype stemmed from.

    Its later explained in detail here the different method's of escaping genjutsu and the DB further explains what chiyo was speaking of in respect to sharingan based genjutsu, especially Kanashibari based genjutsu. The uchiha hype is not from the ms, but the sharingan (genjutsu) and their fire affiliation,

    Anyway its pretty clear that the byakugan is pretty irrelevant so ill stop here
     
         
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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    The Byakugan is stated as the oldest and greatest bloodline for the leaf village by kakashi who has been using the sharingan for 13 years.

    Wrong history by Kakashi

    Senju + Uchiha were the first to join and create "konoha"
    They are the oldest clans in konoha
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by lukasenko View Post
    @ Bogard

    nobody is underestimating the clan, and nobody is saying that neji is the strongest of all in the hyuga clan. Neji's name is getting frequently mentioned because

    1.he has been for a very long time the most prominent huyga user and considering his development in techniques from naruto to shippuden is poor -
    2.most of the techniques from the huyga have come from neji

    As far as concerning the clan itself - ofc it is one of the strongest, but not compared to the supremacy of the uchiha. They were the ones who rivalled the senju.
    Well i'm not saying Uchiha were not the strongest, but they were only the strongest because of their MS users i believe, not because of Sharingan itself. It's said that Madara is the one who originally made the Uchiha to be seen that powerful in the story. Uchiha themselves were not that powerful as some people believe. Proof of that is that not even everyone got a sharingan in Uchiha clan. Every Uchiha who got his sharingan was considered as elite. MS was even rarer. So when it's true that one or 2Uchiha members were incredibly strong, the whole clan wasn't, when every Hyuga have their byakugan since they are born. They trains in their art since they are young, and with the number it's perfectly understandable why they were considered as the strongest in the leaf. So i believe that Rinnengan>EMS>MS>Byakugan>Sharingan but now it depends on the users because i believe that Hiaishi with his Byakugan for example can probably handle even a MS user
     
         
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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Nice work bro! but i disagree.
     
         
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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze Release View Post
    Going through the threads it seems my name has been called for various reasons by hyuga fans. It actually funny because if im shaking with excitement, fact that they believe the byakugan > 3 tomoe sharingan. Anyway if neji had the sharingan he would be able to do evade naruto's attack like what itachi did :P;



    Anyway i got statistics to revise for.
    However what i will leave you with is this;
    Ability to see through all the 3 basic forms of ninja art
    Ability to copy all the 3 forms of ninja art
    Precognition ability with helps with speed/taijutsu/handseals
    Ability to deliver 3 forms genjutsu; Hypnosis (put people to sleep) or control them and this form can go as far as controlling summons. Basic genjutsu. Kanashibari (paralysis) genjutsu. When these forms of genjutsu has gotten the better of anbu/summons and kage level ninja's
    See chakra
    Ability to use izanami/izanagi

    ^ This is just top of my head without any manga scan which would make it look more impressive. But an old DB page might help you guys;





    Im rushing my post because there really isnt much to talk about. The 3 tomoe sharingan is a superior tool than the byakugan. If perhaps i saw that the byakugan could keep pace i might take my time and fully explain everything but there is not much to argue about.

    Did i forget that orochimaru's fushi tensei failed before the sharingan, put neji there and orochimaru wouldve had a new container LMFAO


    I warned him when Blaze release (The leaders of the uchiha fanbase on this site) showed up is when shit gets real!!! lmao But as you can see, im the King of the hyugas and will slay you! (Lmao hahahahahah im on a roll!)

    1st off, Neji had his byakugan turned off because he thought the fight was over (and keep in mind it wasnt a death fight and was PNJ at its best!). Fact!

    Because it is known that the byakugan can see under the earth:

    So that point Is null and void! Then on top of that itachi had his sharingan active and has possibly the best reflexes of the entire clan ever! But if he had The byakugan he would of known that could of been a clone, because he would of seen 2 kakashis underground. But he didnt and was tricked while his sharingan was activated. And i repeat, the byakugan was turned off when naruto hit him.

    2nd, All those feats aren't OP at all. And if anything even with the byakugan fetas
    Ability too sense all attacks accurately!
    Ability too detect and deflect all attacks accurately!
    Ability too disperse chakra anywhere with in range
    ability too inject chakra into anything that uses chakra
    ability too put up a chakra field too alter anything with in the barrier of chakra too their liking
    Ability too shoot chakra any where from there body
    Ability too see through anything, xray (Not top barriers tho)
    Ability too move at extreme high speeds when in 64 palms area
    Ability too ability too see 359 degrees
    Ability too ability too mold chakra anyway they like for different forms of combat
    Ability too hit you one time and instantly kill you
    Ability too see all forms of chakra
    Ability too control your chakra like no other

    Not including the MS techs (because they are OP and very costly), the byakugan outshines the sharingan or is equal with it. Izanagi needs senju dna to use, so i dont count that. And teh Izanami shouldnt be used in battle because the victim can escape it, and the user looses one eye. So your point on them are mute.

    Next; You overrate the sharingan in the sense that you do not list the drawbacks that come with some of those abilitys. SO ill list them for you using the manga!



    Just because you can see or read the opponent doesnt mean they can counter them. If the uchiha body isnt on par then it is useless too have them feats. Its all about match ups really, im not saying Hiashi can defeat with madara, itachi, sasuke or izuna but he sure hell can compete! lol

    Next; all the sharingans genjutsu (besides izanami and nagi) are eye contact. Simply do not make direct contact and it is avoidable. Plus the fact that it is basic genjutsu and any elite ninja can break out of it. MS genjutsu is teh heavy hitters, regular 3 tomoe genjutsu isnt that great (good but not KO great). And with the hyugas perfect chakra control, breaking a genjutsu on that level will be easy and almost instant! haha

    And the ability too predict movements only pertains too the opponents body (i,e, muscles) so any extra source (i.e. chakra) they can not predict because it has yet too happen. And as you know the hyugas can disperse chakra when ever where ever instantly! So Any form of basic taijutsu is useless!

    ex: Lee with the same great speed taijutsu was never able too defeat neji on multiple occasions (not gates). And when lee used gates, neji was able too see him and his moves, they werent too fast for him (this part is assumptions, because he like kakshi was able too keep up and note what was going on). So unless the uchihas has super fast taijutsu hits (like Guys morning peacok, or Raikages hits) the hyuga can counter accordingly!

    This is just the begining, and note Im not saying hiashi can defeat madara or itachi, but is rather comparing the eyes.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Draegod View Post


    I warned him when Blaze release (The leaders of the uchiha fanbase on this site) showed up is when shit gets real!!! lmao But as you can see, im the King of the hyugas and will slay you! (Lmao hahahahahah im on a roll!)

    1st off, Neji had his byakugan turned off because he thought the fight was over (and keep in mind it wasnt a death fight and was PNJ at its best!). Fact!

    Because it is known that the byakugan can see under the earth:

    So that point Is null and void! Then on top of that itachi had his sharingan active and has possibly the best reflexes of the entire clan ever! But if he had The byakugan he would of known that could of been a clone, because he would of seen 2 kakashis underground. But he didnt and was tricked while his sharingan was activated. And i repeat, the byakugan was turned off when naruto hit him.

    2nd, All those feats aren't OP at all. And if anything even with the byakugan fetas
    Ability too sense all attacks accurately!
    Ability too detect and deflect all attacks accurately!
    Ability too disperse chakra anywhere with in range
    ability too inject chakra into anything that uses chakra
    ability too put up a chakra field too alter anything with in the barrier of chakra too their liking
    Ability too shoot chakra any where from there body
    Ability too see through anything, xray (Not top barriers tho)
    Ability too move at extreme high speeds when in 64 palms area
    Ability too ability too see 359 degrees
    Ability too ability too mold chakra anyway they like for different forms of combat
    Ability too hit you one time and instantly kill you
    Ability too see all forms of chakra
    Ability too control your chakra like no other

    Not including the MS techs (because they are OP and very costly), the byakugan outshines the sharingan or is equal with it. Izanagi needs senju dna to use, so i dont count that. And teh Izanami shouldnt be used in battle because the victim can escape it, and the user looses one eye. So your point on them are mute.

    Next; You overrate the sharingan in the sense that you do not list the drawbacks that come with some of those abilitys. SO ill list them for you using the manga!



    Just because you can see or read the opponent doesnt mean they can counter them. If the uchiha body isnt on par then it is useless too have them feats. Its all about match ups really, im not saying Hiashi can defeat with madara, itachi, sasuke or izuna but he sure hell can compete! lol

    Next; all the sharingans genjutsu (besides izanami and nagi) are eye contact. Simply do not make direct contact and it is avoidable. Plus the fact that it is basic genjutsu and any elite ninja can break out of it. MS genjutsu is teh heavy hitters, regular 3 tomoe genjutsu isnt that great (good but not KO great). And with the hyugas perfect chakra control, breaking a genjutsu on that level will be easy and almost instant! haha

    And the ability too predict movements only pertains too the opponents body (i,e, muscles) so any extra source (i.e. chakra) they can not predict because it has yet too happen. And as you know the hyugas can disperse chakra when ever where ever instantly! So Any form of basic taijutsu is useless!

    ex: Lee with the same great speed taijutsu was never able too defeat neji on multiple occasions (not gates). And when lee used gates, neji was able too see him and his moves, they werent too fast for him (this part is assumptions, because he like kakshi was able too keep up and note what was going on). So unless the uchihas has super fast taijutsu hits (like Guys morning peacok, or Raikages hits) the hyuga can counter accordingly!

    This is just the begining, and note Im not saying hiashi can defeat madara or itachi, but is rather comparing the eyes.

    Bro, alot of what you listed aren't byukagan techs but Hyuuga techs.... there is a difference..

    Ability too disperse chakra anywhere with in range

    They hyuuga clan train themselves to do these things, Gentle fist as well.. They aren't techs or abilities you get from having byakugan. otherwise ao would get them....
     
         

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