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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    knew it was a waste of time. similar threads have been made by dr proof and fastrthwind, even they know that byakugan > 3 tomoe but not ms.
    I'm not disagreeing with you, but it is disputable. The only MS tech that it truly can't counter, without a doubt, is Kamui. Sasuke has been shown to outrun amaterasu with sheer foot speed, and heavenly rotation would work similarly to shinra tensei, theoretically, as it is an outward push of chakra, thus protecting the user. Susanoo, ehh, its possible but the chances of facing it head on and winning with a full shroud, is more unlikely. The results of that would be circumstance more than anything, but if the chakra can cut a chakra infused spider web, which spider webs are one of the strongest materials on the planet, then it could possibly break susanoo, possibly. As for tsukiyomi, once again all they have to do is close their eyes and see through their eyelids.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    i was trying to point out that these arguments he posted have been presented before and have been dealt with

    i am a neji fan.

    @ bold ; i know how you feel
    Yea this argument has been done before, but no one ever checks the history any more.lol But yea, MS is broken but is a curse i wouldnt want too have. Im sure A ninja Like Itachi didnt want the curse himself. (If he could of avoided not having the MS curse, im sure he would of avoided it)
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    I think that the hyuugas have COUNTERS for MS abilities, not that they can outright beat a MS user, although they do have their chances. The uchiha are not totally invincible.

    People simply underrate the hyuuga because they are irrelevant to the story and overhyp MS abilities since they seem like one-shot kills without looking at ways the hyuugas could actually counter them, which requires great understanding of the hyuuga clan and its abilities like the byakugan. Thats why people(mostly hyuuga fans) who know more about the hyuugas than uchiha fans(who dont do any research on them) actually take the time to look at different ways to counter abilities.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by DESTRUCTO View Post
    I'm not disagreeing with you, but it is disputable. The only MS tech that it truly can't counter, without a doubt, is Kamui. Sasuke has been shown to outrun amaterasu with sheer foot speed, and heavenly rotation would work similarly to shinra tensei, theoretically, as it is an outward push of chakra, thus protecting the user. Susanoo, ehh, its possible but the chances of facing it head on and winning with a full shroud, is more unlikely. The results of that would be circumstance more than anything, but if the chakra can cut a chakra infused spider web, which spider webs are one of the strongest materials on the planet, then it could possibly break susanoo, possibly. As for tsukiyomi, once again all they have to do is close their eyes and see through their eyelids.
    Its not a matter of sheer force breaking susanoo. Neji can use his tenketsu's and byakugan to pinpoint the jutsus weak spot and break it open as seen here .

    In terms of an offensive Kamui according to the manga they can sense the opponents attacks so in theory they can dodge it. In terms of defensive kamui they can see in 360 degrees and sense attacks so I'm not entirely too sure about that one being un-counterable. I just don't see how it is un-counterable.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Draegod View Post
    Yea this argument has been done before, but no one ever checks the history any more.lol But yea, MS is broken but is a curse i wouldnt want too have. Im sure A ninja Like Itachi didnt want the curse himself. (If he could of avoided not having the MS curse, im sure he would of avoided it)
    I feel as if kishi kinda shifted focus on sasuke and naruto diving into their clans history and all rather than focus on each character, he kinda killed the hype the byakugan was getting in part 1
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    I feel as if kishi kinda shifted focus on sasuke and naruto diving into their clans history and all rather than focus on each character, he kinda killed the hype the byakugan was getting in part 1
    He did kinda focus on it in the very beginning of part 2 but everything has become about Senju DNA, Jinchurriki, Uchiha DNA, Rinnegan, Sharingan. Anything else is obsolete except Gai.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Couldnt you understand kakashi was talking about regular sharingan???
    EMS MS>>>>>>>>>>> Byukugan
    P.S. Kakashi isnt uchiha so his words about sharingan are nothing
    because he dont know all secrets about it. He looked like a kid when he faced itachi so stop talking nonsense.....
     
         
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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    I feel as if kishi kinda shifted focus on sasuke and naruto diving into their clans history and all rather than focus on each character, he kinda killed the hype the byakugan was getting in part 1
    I actually have a theory that the hyuugas would be capable of awakening the elder sons doujutsu. Its based off another persons theory and it would definitely put the hyuugas back into the spotlight.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    Your proof on amaterasu has been refuted in my opening statement.
    Your proof on the arrow has also been refuted in my opening statement.
    Your proof on tsukuyomi has also been refuted in my opening statement.
    Blaze release is amaterasu control and its also been refuted. (they can excrete chakra blowing it away)
    Your proof on Kamui has also been refuted in my opening statement. They have 360 degree vision and can see everything the second it appears.
    Try again.
    I'm sure while neji is crying from the burns, itachi will stand there and allow him to disperse before smashing him. Even if he succeds the first time, once they find out he can dispers the flames, they smash him with a susano punch while he is burning lol.

    The susanoo arrow is bigger than the one kidomaru used, I'm afraid u flawed on that one. Neji doesn't even have the reaction speed to do anything before he is stabbed.

    The tsukiyomi gets him on the floor before he has a chance to try to counter. Less than one second lol. No counter chance.

    Kamui sucks him in whether he sees it or not. Kakashi can tell neji "hey I'm about to use kamui" and still one shot him into the other dimension. He teleported a bijuu lol, neji has no defence.

    The whole konoha wasn't stupid when the recognised senju and uchiha as their strongest clans.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi8179 View Post
    Couldnt you understand kakashi was talking about regular sharingan???
    EMS MS>>>>>>>>>>> Byukugan
    P.S. Kakashi isnt uchiha so his words about sharingan are nothing
    because he dont know all secrets about it. He looked like a kid when he faced itachi so stop talking nonsense.....




    Even Kisame praised kakashi alongside Itachi so please stop trolling.

    Quote Originally Posted by fastrthnwind View Post
    I actually have a theory that the hyuugas would be capable of awakening the elder sons doujutsu. Its based off another persons theory and it would definitely put the hyuugas back into the spotlight.
    I think I've heard of your theory. Is it similar to this one http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=282497
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    Its not a matter of sheer force breaking susanoo. Neji can use his tenketsu's and byakugan to pinpoint the jutsus weak spot and break it open as seen here .

    In terms of an offensive Kamui according to the manga they can sense the opponents attacks so in theory they can dodge it. In terms of defensive kamui they can see in 360 degrees and sense attacks so I'm not entirely too sure about that one being un-counterable. I just don't see how it is un-counterable.
    That all depends on if susanoo has chakra points within its form. If the Hyuuga hits the casters points before he casts it then, yeah, totally would stop him. I just see susanoo as a giant mass of chakra, almost like a shield with arms, so the only way to stop the user is by removing them from it or breaking it. I'm not saying it's not doable, just, it seems unlikely for Neji to face a fully formed susanoo. However he could outlast it and wait for an opening to strike. All circumstance.

    As for kamui, Kakashi's offensive kamui is what I'm referring to, forms at a single point and collapses in, unlike amaterasu, which expands out. The thing is that it holds at a single point, which is the casters line of vision, so as the casters line of sight moves so does the kamui. So as long as the caster keeps his eye on the target, his kamui will hit. There is no dispelling it. the Hyuuga can see it coming through chakra build up and try to prevent or dodge it, but once it is cast they are pretty much up shit creek.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    i appreciate your effort but no just no. MS user will annihilate byakugan user.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by kellzfresh View Post
    I'm sure while neji is crying from the burns, itachi will stand there and allow him to disperse before smashing him. Even if he succeds the first time, once they find out he can dispers the flames, they smash him with a susano punch while he is burning lol.

    The susanoo arrow is bigger than the one kidomaru used, I'm afraid u flawed on that one. Neji doesn't even have the reaction speed to do anything before he is stabbed.

    The tsukiyomi gets him on the floor before he has a chance to try to counter. Less than one second lol. No counter chance.

    Kamui sucks him in whether he sees it or not. Kakashi can tell neji "hey I'm about to use kamui" and still one shot him into the other dimension. He teleported a bijuu lol, neji has no defence.

    The whole konoha wasn't stupid when the recognised senju and uchiha as their strongest clans.
    Hyuuga's can sense attack's therefore rotation will be raedy.
    The one kidimaro used wasn't even deflected by heavenly rotation but just by chakra pores. Heavenly rotation would block it and Neji doesn't need reaction speed he has the Byakugan he can sense attacks.
    Byakugan can sense changes within chakra flow. Tsukuyomi keeps the person in a mental state of entrapment for 3 days. I'm sure theres plenty of time.
    It can suck him in yes but since he can sense attacks he'll know and have time to react.
    Kakashi stated they were the oldest and greatest bloodline.



    Here is proof of sensing attacks.

     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    A very interesting read. I would get involved in the debate but its 5 pages in so im sure most things have already been said. I have seen a couple of threads similar to this over time and they usually come with some pretty solid manga pages to back it up. But in the end despite all the canon material, most people would never budge since they think hyuuga aren't relevant to the story and therefore considered fodder. Anyways I like your thread and agree with most of your points (a bit iffy on kumai)....hyuuga ftw!

    Edit: I will add one slight detail - the scene where Neji cuts kidomaru's webbing would probably be useful. It is explained in the manga that Kidomaru's web is impossible to cut by normal means since it is infused with his chakra. Yer Neji cut it by forming a sharp chakra based scalpel between his fingers - demonstrating that he can effectively slice through chakra based objects with ease. The same principle could be applied to susano'o given that the user has identified a weak spot with there insight.
     
         
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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post

    I think I've heard of your theory. Is it similar to this one http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=282497
    lol yea, that the one :D
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    no need to read

    amaterasu burns chakra so it will ignite the flames also blaze release sasuke could make the flames bigger and change there shape burns thru rotation in that dispursting chakra thing naruto punch stop rotation

    susanoo arrows are much larger faster and stronger than kidomaru arrow witch his rotation couldnt throw off his arrows completly so susanoo arrows own him easily a susanoo punch would destroy susanoo only weakness is crushing it witch no hyuuga have the power to do perfect susanoo destroyes mountain with one blade no argument you that you can put up would make me think the hyuugas can survive this

    tsukuyomi can only be counter with there eye closes nothing else

    you keep saying they can sense things does it matters as long as there body is to slow to more neji is no Raikage the only man to dodge amaterasu with the intent to kill

    Kamui no need for arument that tech is a fast as amaterasu iin it covers more range

    fail thread

    sasuke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    itachi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    obito>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    kakashi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    madara>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>neji and in other hyuugas 3 tomoe sasuke could defeat neji med diff

    uchihas controlled bijuu started ninja wars defeated sanin in 2 minutes tokk down 5 kages at the same time
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by DESTRUCTO View Post
    That all depends on if susanoo has chakra points within its form. If the Hyuuga hits the casters points before he casts it then, yeah, totally would stop him. I just see susanoo as a giant mass of chakra, almost like a shield with arms, so the only way to stop the user is by removing them from it or breaking it. I'm not saying it's not doable, just, it seems unlikely for Neji to face a fully formed susanoo. However he could outlast it and wait for an opening to strike. All circumstance.

    As for kamui, Kakashi's offensive kamui is what I'm referring to, forms at a single point and collapses in, unlike amaterasu, which expands out. The thing is that it holds at a single point, which is the casters line of vision, so as the casters line of sight moves so does the kamui. So as long as the caster keeps his eye on the target, his kamui will hit. There is no dispelling it. the Hyuuga can see it coming through chakra build up and try to prevent or dodge it, but once it is cast they are pretty much up shit creek.
    I get what your saying about susanoo and I agree. It is doable but unlikely nonetheless still doable.

    As for Kamui, I think its possible that while they can be warped, while doing heavenly rotation they won't receive damage.
     
         

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    Bro..i knw where u r getting into...but byakugan is a short distance combat move...although itseems byakugan can counter sharingan u cant win a battlejust by defence..u need to attack and uchiha have high chakra reserves than hyuuga.so,basically sharingan is more offensive and defensive (but weaker defence than byakugan)and byakugan defensive and less offensive..(even offence is also short distance one).hope u get me
    so this is my opinion...
    1)rinnegan
    2)sharingan
    3)byakugan
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    This is an evening special that I thought up on the spur of the moment. Its taken me nearly an hour to write but I'm finally done. Enjoy guys! :ice: I'm also extremely brain dead after writing this. Keep in mind you don't need to read the manga pages only do so if you doubt my word(this is for people who do not have the patience to read)

    They're 3 dojutsu's in the narutoverse.

    1 Rinnegan
    2 Byakugan
    3 Sharingan

    I have classified the evolutions of the sharingan such as 1 tomoe, 2 tomoe, 3 tomoe, MS, EMS as under sharingan. The rinnegan requires senju DNA so I do not consider it as a pure uchiha dojutsu but a mix of senju of and uchiha therefore it is not classified under sharingan.

    1- The Byakugan is stated as the oldest and greatest bloodline for the leaf village by kakashi who has been using the sharingan for 13 years. Therefore his knowledge and word is far greater then someone who has no experience using dojutsu. Furthermore he is aware of the Mangekyou Sharingan when saying this as when itachi appears he has full knowledge only a sharingan can counter it.


    2-The Byakugan has the best insight of all 3 dojutsu. It allows the use to see 360 degrees(excluding one blind spot) and allows the user to see 50 meters among activation.
    . With the use able to see everything within a 50 meter radius, the enemy cannot surprise them with attacks as they are visible at all times. The user can also see through solid objects and smoke screens making evasion impossible by normal means.

    3-The byakugan allows the user to see chakra flow to the greatest degree.
    With this ability they can use the most powerful taijutsu style gentle fist.
    Gentle fist allows the user to damage internal organs giving them the ability to one shot their opponents if hit in the right areas.
    Also to be noted is the user can determine is genjutsu is being used due to the change in chakra flow. Genjutsu is created when a ninja extends their chakra flow through the cerebral nervous system of their opponent to control their mind, thereby affecting their five senses. Now what makes Byakugan users immune to genjutsu is their mastery of chakra control. All Byakugan users are trained in the art of gentle fist which relies solely on chakra control. Gentle fist employs the use of tenketsus which are pores that release chakra.With being able to utilize tenketsus they can stop the opponents flow of chakra or destroy their organs. Even the sharingan cannot compete as admitted by kakashi whose sharingan skills have received praise by Itachi.


    Now that I have explained the abilities of the Byakugan, I will now explain why it is superior in every way to the sharingan.

    1 (Taijutsu) The sharingan(3 tomoe) allows the user to read the users attacks.
    While this would immediately end the fight, the person who see's the attack must have the ability to counter it. Sasuke has shown that even though he can see the attack, he could not dodge the attack.
    When fighting someone whose trained in taijutsu, you cannot win. The Hyuuga are the strongest taijutsu users in the leaf due to their gentle fist. All the Hyuuga have to do is tap any part of your body to stop chakra flow to that specific part thus ending the taijutsu combat. Furthermore they can sense attacks just like the sharingan


    2 (Ninjutsu) The MS, and EMS are considered to be the reason why the Sharingan is superior to the byakugan. However every skill that the MS and EMS can employ can easily be countered by the byakugan.

    A- Amaterasu. Amaterasu are black flames that travel at incredible speeds. Your reaction timing must be on par to the 4th raikage in order to dodge them.
    Now the Hyuuga can counter Amaterasu very easily. First their eyes allow the user to sense all of the opponents attacks.
    Therefore it has the same ability to perceive and counter attacks as the sharingan does. Next Amaterasu creates pressure in the air.
    Even someone without the insight of the byakugan like Nagato could sense it. To add onto my defense the user can blow amaterasu off their body.
    Here you can see nagato blowing the amaterasu off his body using Shinra tensei. Neji can do the same thing, except by using his chakra.
    By being able to shoot chakra out of all his pores, he can effectively blow off amaterasu. In fact if the byakugan user doesn't care to use heavenly rotation he can just walk through the amaterasu and blow it off without the use of jutsu. Think of it as similar to gaara's sand armor that he wears on his skin. If the Gaara analogy doesn't help you, think of when Gohan is fighting Bojack in SSJ2 and he blows off the strings. Same concept except instead of using raw energy Neji is using chakra(which in a sense is energy).

    B-Tsukuyomi-The Byakugan can sense when an opponent is going to use genjutsu. Since Genjutsu requires you to insert your chakra, they're two ways for the Byakugan user to avoid getting caught in Tsukuyomi. The first way is to just close your eyes and use the sight provided by the Byakugan. Since it allows the use to see in 360 degrees, eye to eye contact is not required. So even if the user chooses to have his eyes open, he does not need to look at the users eye's.
    The second way, is to disrupt your chakra flow.
    Since Byakugan users have perfect chakra control, it is an easy task for them.

    C-Susanoo(oh boy I bet all the fanboys are thinking its impossible) - The Byakugan gives the user the highest degree of insight being able to see all forms of chakra at the highest level. All ninjutsu, Dojutsu, and Genjutsu(plus some forms of taijutsu) require chakra. Susanoo is formed through the materialisation of the user's chakra and as such differs in appearance, as well as colour between users. Therefore Susanoo in itself is just chakra that is unstable unless you possess the perfect susanoo. This spoiler shows susanoo unstable, you can see the head is just like Itachi's and Sasuke's proving that they have an unstable susanoo.
    This shows susanoo in its stable form.
    Now here is where susanoo fails against the Byakugan. Since the Byakugan gives the user the highest degree of chakra insight, it can see the chakra holding the jutsu together. With this ability Neji has destoyed a water dome using the Byakugan and his Tenketsus.
    Something to note is not even the sharingan can do that. Since the Byakugan allows you to see chakra levels making the jutsu active, it can see the chakra keeping susanoo together and disrupt it.

    C1-Susanoo arrows. We have seen how a tree can brush Susanoo arrows off course.
    So with that in mind, chakra which is a lot stronger then tree's so the byakugan would be able to do the same.. Now let me explain something before the fanboys go wild. In the kidimaro vs Neji fight, Neji deflected his high speed arrows in the cursed seal 2 state(a power that is comparable to the one tails) by covering his body in chakra.
    Now the reason he had to do that is because Kidomaro knew the weakness of the byakugan.
    The problem is even if the Sharingan user is using susanoo, neji will not turn his back to it and thus the Byakugan will be able to sense the attack coming. With that he would be able to use heavenly rotation and change the arrow off course. These arrows are no different from other arrows except that the speed which is delivered is too fast to dodge. The Hyuuga have no need to dodge due to heavenly rotation and since they can sense the attack coming, the arrows are useless.

    C2-Susanoo sword. This sword follows the same concept. Now Gaara is able to use normal sand to block susanoo swords.
    Heavenly rotation has been stated to be superior
    . Now logic indicates a superior defense will have the same results or better then the defense it is compared too. No further explanation is needed.

    Kotoamatsukami- This is The most powerful genjutsu to ever be conceived in naruto. The Byakugan is already immune to genjutsu since they can see chakra flow. Due to the fact that this is not a genjutsu that causes a illusion and merely controls your thoughts, in terms of combat effectiveness against a hyuuga its scale of effectiveness is lower then the Tsukuyomi. Now since the Hyuuga can see their chakra flow as well as others they can disrupt the genjutsu without trouble. The byakugan have been stated to see a genjutsu that is similar to KA
    and the byakugan broke that genjutsu of near identical power.


    Kamui-Well there isn't a whole lot to say about this technique. (honestly i'm tired of writing ) So Kamui in terms of defense is not hard to fight against since the Byakugan lets you see everything within a 50 meter radius.. Now offensively it can cause a warp within what is being targeted and cut it off from space. Since the hyuuga can see everything to the highest degree and sense attacks coming that warp would be easy to spot and avoid avoid.

    Susanoo C3- Yasaka Magatama. Look at what I said about susanoo arrows and tone down the difficulty by 100 since this attack is significantly slower then the arrows.

    Susanoo C4-Meteorite Technique. This technique is so amazing and powerful. Since two meteorites are coming to hit the ground, the entire battlefield becomes destroyed. Since the Hyuuga can sense the attack coming and with the clarity of insight, would be able to position himself away from under the meteor. Now that won't stop the battlefield from getting destroyed as the entire radius get's hit with rocks and sand. However heavenly rotation would protect them rocks and sand. The only way this technique would harm a Hyuuga is if it landed on top of their body.

    BONUS!

    Susanoo C5- Perfect Susanoo. Perfect Susanoo sword slash is like a TBB. However against the Byakugan(and a skilled user) it is childs play. Due to being able to sense attacks
    they have the ability to move out of the way. Since the damage is widespread they can cover themselves with chakra and if they are out of the direct slice can use heavenly rotation to stop the widespread damage(rocks and debris falling).

    I'm done never again am I writing something this long and I'm not writing a conclusion so read the whole thing. Thanks for reading this sorry its so long...oh ya suck it uchiha fanboys :P jk but I think there's a good enough argument here to say the Byakugan is superior at the date of 12/1/2012.

    SUMMARY-The Byakugan can defend itself and counter ALL Sharingan/MS/EMS attacks.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    This is one of the worst fanboy threads i have ever seen.

    A 3-tomoe Sharingan user vs a Byakugan user is debatable (manga always states that the uchiha are Stronger)

    but once you include MS, you must know that the Sharingan rapes.

    1- Amaterasu: even if they can sense the attack coming, we have not seen any byakugan user that is fast enough to dodge the technique. Remember that Amaterasu spawns in the focus point of the users' eyes, so as long as the hyuuga is visible, he is going down. Even if they can blow away the flames by releasing their chakra (no proof of this) it would be too late, the flames are so hot that only an instant can burn you up considerably. Look at what happened to Nagato when he got hit by it. He just recovered because he was an edo tensei.

    2-Tsukuyomi: 360 Vision is still part of their vision. Even if the hyuuga is facing the other way, they are looking directly at the uchiha's eye, which is all that is needed for tsukuyomi to take effect. Also, Tsukuyomi cannot by broken by chakra control or by a partner because it is instant. When you realize you've been Caught by it, the full effect of the genjutsu has already hit you.

    3- Susanoo: You cannot seriously be compraring Zabusa's water prison technique to a full blown complete susanoo, right? . Anyway, just as with Amaterasu, the hyuuga may sense susanoo's arrows, sowrds slashes and magatamas, but they are not fast enough t dodge any of them. And dont tell me rotation can stop any of those techniques, you know very well it Cant. Not even going to talk about perfect susanoo lol.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post




    Even Kisame praised kakashi alongside Itachi so please stop trolling.



    I think I've heard of your theory. Is it similar to this one http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=282497
    What?? Just watch into this page of yours how kakashi is owned
    I just asking you do you really think Byukugan > MS?
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    no need to read

    amaterasu burns chakra so it will ignite the flames also blaze release sasuke could make the flames bigger and change there shape burns thru rotation in that dispursting chakra thing naruto punch stop rotation

    susanoo arrows are much larger faster and stronger than kidomaru arrow witch his rotation couldnt throw off his arrows completly so susanoo arrows own him easily a susanoo punch would destroy susanoo only weakness is crushing it witch no hyuuga have the power to do perfect susanoo destroyes mountain with one blade no argument you that you can put up would make me think the hyuugas can survive this

    tsukuyomi can only be counter with there eye closes nothing else

    you keep saying they can sense things does it matters as long as there body is to slow to more neji is no Raikage the only man to dodge amaterasu with the intent to kill

    Kamui no need for arument that tech is a fast as amaterasu iin it covers more range

    fail thread

    sasuke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    itachi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    obito>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    kakashi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    madara>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>neji and in other hyuugas 3 tomoe sasuke could defeat neji med diff

    uchihas controlled bijuu started ninja wars defeated sanin in 2 minutes tokk down 5 kages at the same time
    Nobody need respond to this. Perfect example of ignorance.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by History View Post
    no need to read

    amaterasu burns chakra so it will ignite the flames also blaze release sasuke could make the flames bigger and change there shape burns thru rotation in that dispursting chakra thing naruto punch stop rotation

    susanoo arrows are much larger faster and stronger than kidomaru arrow witch his rotation couldnt throw off his arrows completly so susanoo arrows own him easily a susanoo punch would destroy susanoo only weakness is crushing it witch no hyuuga have the power to do perfect susanoo destroyes mountain with one blade no argument you that you can put up would make me think the hyuugas can survive this

    tsukuyomi can only be counter with there eye closes nothing else

    you keep saying they can sense things does it matters as long as there body is to slow to more neji is no Raikage the only man to dodge amaterasu with the intent to kill

    Kamui no need for arument that tech is a fast as amaterasu iin it covers more range

    fail thread

    sasuke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    itachi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    obito>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    kakashi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    madara>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>neji and in other hyuugas 3 tomoe sasuke could defeat neji med diff

    uchihas controlled bijuu started ninja wars defeated sanin in 2 minutes tokk down 5 kages at the same time
    You are a prime example of someone who has no understanding of what they're talking about.

    1-No where has it been seen that amaterasu burns through chakra.
    2-Neji didn't use heavenly rotation against kidimaro I even posted a picture are you blind or just illiterate?
    3-They can sense the change in chakra within their body so it is counterable.
    Don't try arguing about Kamui you won't get very far.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    What?? Just watch into this page of yours how kakashi is owned
    I just asking you do you really think Byukugan > MS?
    The MS can be countered by it. All techniques shown can be countered. I have displayed how.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    Hyuuga's can sense attack's therefore rotation will be raedy.
    The one kidimaro used wasn't even deflected by heavenly rotation but just by chakra pores. Heavenly rotation would block it and Neji doesn't need reaction speed he has the Byakugan he can sense attacks.
    Byakugan can sense changes within chakra flow. Tsukuyomi keeps the person in a mental state of entrapment for 3 days. I'm sure theres plenty of time.
    It can suck him in yes but since he can sense attacks he'll know and have time to react.
    Kakashi stated they were the oldest and greatest bloodline.



    Here is proof of sensing attacks.

    so what kakashi saids make it it true we know there no where near the strongest bloodline Or kkg i bet neji or any hyuuga is no where near your top 10
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    This is one of the worst fanboy threads i have ever seen.

    A 3-tomoe Sharingan user vs a Byakugan user is debatable (manga always states that the uchiha are Stronger)

    but once you include MS, you must know that the Sharingan rapes.

    1- Amaterasu: even if they can sense the attack coming, we have not seen any byakugan user that is fast enough to dodge the technique. Remember that Amaterasu spawns in the focus point of the users' eyes, so as long as the hyuuga is visible, he is going down. Even if they can blow away the flames by releasing their chakra (no proof of this) it would be too late, the flames are so hot that only an instant can burn you up considerably. Look at what happened to Nagato when he got hit by it. He just recovered because he was an edo tensei.

    2-Tsukuyomi: 360 Vision is still part of their vision. Even if the hyuuga is facing the other way, they are looking directly at the uchiha's eye, which is all that is needed for tsukuyomi to take effect. Also, Tsukuyomi cannot by broken by chakra control or by a partner because it is instant. When you realize you've been Caught by it, the full effect of the genjutsu has already hit you.

    3- Susanoo: You cannot seriously be compraring Zabusa's water prison technique to a full blown complete susanoo, right? . Anyway, just as with Amaterasu, the hyuuga may sense susanoo's arrows, sowrds slashes and magatamas, but they are not fast enough t dodge any of them. And dont tell me rotation can stop any of those techniques, you know very well it Cant. Not even going to talk about perfect susanoo lol.
    honestly there is so much wrong with this post that its not even worth my time to reply. Come to us with manga pages plus reasoning or else its absolute garbage
     
         

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