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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Narutofan4203 View Post
    I've proven hyuuga's lose to uchiha's multiple times but you have a fanboner so That's why I said i give up
    I'll just keep repeating myself as you are but i'm countering what you're saying as you aren't countering what I'm saying
    No you haven't that's why you haven't refuted the last post to your debate lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    knew it was a waste of time. similar threads have been made by dr proof and fastrthwind, even they know that byakugan > 3 tomoe but not ms.
    You haven't refuted my point yet. "Amaterasu feeds on flames" Well the chakra that is excreted will get engulfed(heavenly rotation) but when that dissipitates the amaterasu will fall to the floor. So it will spread but you think their just gonna stand there. Don't waste my time lol.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    knew it was a waste of time. similar threads have been made by dr proof and fastrthwind, even they know that byakugan > 3 tomoe but not ms.
    I agree too a certain extent (depends on the Ms user and matchup). But..

    FYI: Just because Drproof or My Fellow huyga supporter Fastrthwind says MS>byakugan doesn't make it fact. Especially Dr proof, he isnt kishi and i dont know why many NEW USERS think he is God to them when he needs Wiki and others users too help him (he even tells you he had help, yet the helpers gets no credit or worship from you and others.lol)!
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    I can't believe people are actually serious about this?? How can the huuga be stronger than MS uchiha.

    Amaterasu(don't decieve urself, they can't react) is one shot kill
    Susano arrow(bigger and faster than a human) is one shot kill
    Tsukiyomi(its not a normal genjutsu, u faint in a second) one shot
    Blaze release(they don't have any auto defence) one shot
    Kamui (it teleported a bijuu lol)one shot kill
    Even susanoo V1 punch(faster than foot speed) is a one shot kill

    MS >>>>>> Hyuuga




    #High chakra doesn't save you from one shot moves
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Draegod View Post
    I agree too a certain extent (depends on the Ms user and matchup). But..

    FYI: Just because Drproof or My Fellow huyga supporter Fastrthwind says MS>byakugan doesn't make it fact. Especially Dr proof, he isnt kishi and i dont know why many NEW USERS think he is God to them when he needs Wiki and others users too help him (he even tells you he had help, yet the helpers gets no credit or worship from you and others.lol)!
    i was trying to point out that these arguments he posted have been presented before and have been dealt with

    i am a neji fan.

    @ bold ; i know how you feel
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by kellzfresh View Post
    I can't believe people are actually serious about this?? How can the huuga be stronger than MS uchiha.

    Amaterasu(don't decieve urself, they can't react) is one shot kill
    Susano arrow(bigger and faster than a human) is one shot kill
    Tsukiyomi(its not a normal genjutsu, u faint in a second) one shot
    Blaze release(they don't have any auto defence) one shot
    Kamui (it teleported a bijuu lol)one shot kill
    Even susanoo V1 punch(faster than foot speed) is a one shot kill

    MS >>>>>> Hyuuga


    #High chakra doesn't save you from one shot moves

    Your proof on amaterasu has been refuted in my opening statement.
    Your proof on the arrow has also been refuted in my opening statement.
    Your proof on tsukuyomi has also been refuted in my opening statement.
    Blaze release is amaterasu control and its also been refuted. (they can excrete chakra blowing it away)
    Your proof on Kamui has also been refuted in my opening statement. They have 360 degree vision and can see everything the second it appears.
    Try again.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    knew it was a waste of time. similar threads have been made by dr proof and fastrthwind, even they know that byakugan > 3 tomoe but not ms.
    I'm not disagreeing with you, but it is disputable. The only MS tech that it truly can't counter, without a doubt, is Kamui. Sasuke has been shown to outrun amaterasu with sheer foot speed, and heavenly rotation would work similarly to shinra tensei, theoretically, as it is an outward push of chakra, thus protecting the user. Susanoo, ehh, its possible but the chances of facing it head on and winning with a full shroud, is more unlikely. The results of that would be circumstance more than anything, but if the chakra can cut a chakra infused spider web, which spider webs are one of the strongest materials on the planet, then it could possibly break susanoo, possibly. As for tsukiyomi, once again all they have to do is close their eyes and see through their eyelids.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    i was trying to point out that these arguments he posted have been presented before and have been dealt with

    i am a neji fan.

    @ bold ; i know how you feel
    Yea this argument has been done before, but no one ever checks the history any more.lol But yea, MS is broken but is a curse i wouldnt want too have. Im sure A ninja Like Itachi didnt want the curse himself. (If he could of avoided not having the MS curse, im sure he would of avoided it)
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    I think that the hyuugas have COUNTERS for MS abilities, not that they can outright beat a MS user, although they do have their chances. The uchiha are not totally invincible.

    People simply underrate the hyuuga because they are irrelevant to the story and overhyp MS abilities since they seem like one-shot kills without looking at ways the hyuugas could actually counter them, which requires great understanding of the hyuuga clan and its abilities like the byakugan. Thats why people(mostly hyuuga fans) who know more about the hyuugas than uchiha fans(who dont do any research on them) actually take the time to look at different ways to counter abilities.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by DESTRUCTO View Post
    I'm not disagreeing with you, but it is disputable. The only MS tech that it truly can't counter, without a doubt, is Kamui. Sasuke has been shown to outrun amaterasu with sheer foot speed, and heavenly rotation would work similarly to shinra tensei, theoretically, as it is an outward push of chakra, thus protecting the user. Susanoo, ehh, its possible but the chances of facing it head on and winning with a full shroud, is more unlikely. The results of that would be circumstance more than anything, but if the chakra can cut a chakra infused spider web, which spider webs are one of the strongest materials on the planet, then it could possibly break susanoo, possibly. As for tsukiyomi, once again all they have to do is close their eyes and see through their eyelids.
    Its not a matter of sheer force breaking susanoo. Neji can use his tenketsu's and byakugan to pinpoint the jutsus weak spot and break it open as seen here .

    In terms of an offensive Kamui according to the manga they can sense the opponents attacks so in theory they can dodge it. In terms of defensive kamui they can see in 360 degrees and sense attacks so I'm not entirely too sure about that one being un-counterable. I just don't see how it is un-counterable.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Draegod View Post
    Yea this argument has been done before, but no one ever checks the history any more.lol But yea, MS is broken but is a curse i wouldnt want too have. Im sure A ninja Like Itachi didnt want the curse himself. (If he could of avoided not having the MS curse, im sure he would of avoided it)
    I feel as if kishi kinda shifted focus on sasuke and naruto diving into their clans history and all rather than focus on each character, he kinda killed the hype the byakugan was getting in part 1
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    I feel as if kishi kinda shifted focus on sasuke and naruto diving into their clans history and all rather than focus on each character, he kinda killed the hype the byakugan was getting in part 1
    He did kinda focus on it in the very beginning of part 2 but everything has become about Senju DNA, Jinchurriki, Uchiha DNA, Rinnegan, Sharingan. Anything else is obsolete except Gai.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Couldnt you understand kakashi was talking about regular sharingan???
    EMS MS>>>>>>>>>>> Byukugan
    P.S. Kakashi isnt uchiha so his words about sharingan are nothing
    because he dont know all secrets about it. He looked like a kid when he faced itachi so stop talking nonsense.....
     
         
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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    I feel as if kishi kinda shifted focus on sasuke and naruto diving into their clans history and all rather than focus on each character, he kinda killed the hype the byakugan was getting in part 1
    I actually have a theory that the hyuugas would be capable of awakening the elder sons doujutsu. Its based off another persons theory and it would definitely put the hyuugas back into the spotlight.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    Your proof on amaterasu has been refuted in my opening statement.
    Your proof on the arrow has also been refuted in my opening statement.
    Your proof on tsukuyomi has also been refuted in my opening statement.
    Blaze release is amaterasu control and its also been refuted. (they can excrete chakra blowing it away)
    Your proof on Kamui has also been refuted in my opening statement. They have 360 degree vision and can see everything the second it appears.
    Try again.
    I'm sure while neji is crying from the burns, itachi will stand there and allow him to disperse before smashing him. Even if he succeds the first time, once they find out he can dispers the flames, they smash him with a susano punch while he is burning lol.

    The susanoo arrow is bigger than the one kidomaru used, I'm afraid u flawed on that one. Neji doesn't even have the reaction speed to do anything before he is stabbed.

    The tsukiyomi gets him on the floor before he has a chance to try to counter. Less than one second lol. No counter chance.

    Kamui sucks him in whether he sees it or not. Kakashi can tell neji "hey I'm about to use kamui" and still one shot him into the other dimension. He teleported a bijuu lol, neji has no defence.

    The whole konoha wasn't stupid when the recognised senju and uchiha as their strongest clans.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi8179 View Post
    Couldnt you understand kakashi was talking about regular sharingan???
    EMS MS>>>>>>>>>>> Byukugan
    P.S. Kakashi isnt uchiha so his words about sharingan are nothing
    because he dont know all secrets about it. He looked like a kid when he faced itachi so stop talking nonsense.....




    Even Kisame praised kakashi alongside Itachi so please stop trolling.

    Quote Originally Posted by fastrthnwind View Post
    I actually have a theory that the hyuugas would be capable of awakening the elder sons doujutsu. Its based off another persons theory and it would definitely put the hyuugas back into the spotlight.
    I think I've heard of your theory. Is it similar to this one http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=282497
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    Its not a matter of sheer force breaking susanoo. Neji can use his tenketsu's and byakugan to pinpoint the jutsus weak spot and break it open as seen here .

    In terms of an offensive Kamui according to the manga they can sense the opponents attacks so in theory they can dodge it. In terms of defensive kamui they can see in 360 degrees and sense attacks so I'm not entirely too sure about that one being un-counterable. I just don't see how it is un-counterable.
    That all depends on if susanoo has chakra points within its form. If the Hyuuga hits the casters points before he casts it then, yeah, totally would stop him. I just see susanoo as a giant mass of chakra, almost like a shield with arms, so the only way to stop the user is by removing them from it or breaking it. I'm not saying it's not doable, just, it seems unlikely for Neji to face a fully formed susanoo. However he could outlast it and wait for an opening to strike. All circumstance.

    As for kamui, Kakashi's offensive kamui is what I'm referring to, forms at a single point and collapses in, unlike amaterasu, which expands out. The thing is that it holds at a single point, which is the casters line of vision, so as the casters line of sight moves so does the kamui. So as long as the caster keeps his eye on the target, his kamui will hit. There is no dispelling it. the Hyuuga can see it coming through chakra build up and try to prevent or dodge it, but once it is cast they are pretty much up shit creek.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    i appreciate your effort but no just no. MS user will annihilate byakugan user.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by kellzfresh View Post
    I'm sure while neji is crying from the burns, itachi will stand there and allow him to disperse before smashing him. Even if he succeds the first time, once they find out he can dispers the flames, they smash him with a susano punch while he is burning lol.

    The susanoo arrow is bigger than the one kidomaru used, I'm afraid u flawed on that one. Neji doesn't even have the reaction speed to do anything before he is stabbed.

    The tsukiyomi gets him on the floor before he has a chance to try to counter. Less than one second lol. No counter chance.

    Kamui sucks him in whether he sees it or not. Kakashi can tell neji "hey I'm about to use kamui" and still one shot him into the other dimension. He teleported a bijuu lol, neji has no defence.

    The whole konoha wasn't stupid when the recognised senju and uchiha as their strongest clans.
    Hyuuga's can sense attack's therefore rotation will be raedy.
    The one kidimaro used wasn't even deflected by heavenly rotation but just by chakra pores. Heavenly rotation would block it and Neji doesn't need reaction speed he has the Byakugan he can sense attacks.
    Byakugan can sense changes within chakra flow. Tsukuyomi keeps the person in a mental state of entrapment for 3 days. I'm sure theres plenty of time.
    It can suck him in yes but since he can sense attacks he'll know and have time to react.
    Kakashi stated they were the oldest and greatest bloodline.



    Here is proof of sensing attacks.

     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    A very interesting read. I would get involved in the debate but its 5 pages in so im sure most things have already been said. I have seen a couple of threads similar to this over time and they usually come with some pretty solid manga pages to back it up. But in the end despite all the canon material, most people would never budge since they think hyuuga aren't relevant to the story and therefore considered fodder. Anyways I like your thread and agree with most of your points (a bit iffy on kumai)....hyuuga ftw!

    Edit: I will add one slight detail - the scene where Neji cuts kidomaru's webbing would probably be useful. It is explained in the manga that Kidomaru's web is impossible to cut by normal means since it is infused with his chakra. Yer Neji cut it by forming a sharp chakra based scalpel between his fingers - demonstrating that he can effectively slice through chakra based objects with ease. The same principle could be applied to susano'o given that the user has identified a weak spot with there insight.
     
         
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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post

    I think I've heard of your theory. Is it similar to this one http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=282497
    lol yea, that the one :D
     
         

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