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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Fighter2011 View Post
    You can't take every line you read in the manga as it is 100% true, specially if it.comest from A vharacter like kidoumaru, lol.

    Kabuto stated that edo tensei had no weakness, we all know it actually does.
    Konan stated that Nagato/pain was invinsible, yet he was defeated (twice)
    zetsu stated tbat itachi is invinsible While using susanoo, yet we all know he isnt.
    Itachi has yet to be beaten with susanoo active...Also there's nothing disproving that web isn't unbreakable other then by Byakugans specific technique Jyuutsu. So only neji can cut that technique as of 12/2/2012 therefore he can cut other techniques such as susanoo.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Nice thread. Concerning Kidoumaru's webs, just to add that Sasuke even currently admitted it wasn't possible to cut them and they have even Susanoo swords, but they prefered use Amaterasu

     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    And kishi writes the manga, but that does not mean that every character is gonna have the authors knowledge. Look at the examples i gave you in My previous post
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    im done neji could simply cut in susanno it has no weakness unless you just broke it neji sensing is better than karin LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO because his sensing did so well against this thread should be named neji> sasuke itachi obito kakashi madara

    counter to kamui he isnt dodging and if he is what speed feats prove this

    counters to perfect susanoo?
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Fighter2011 View Post
    And kishi writes the manga, but that does not mean that every character is gonna have the authors knowledge. Look at the examples i gave you in My previous post
    That still doesn't disprove the threads...Not even EMS sasuke could cut them lol
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    Itachi has yet to be beaten with susanoo active...Also there's nothing disproving that web isn't unbreakable other then by Byakugans specific technique Jyuutsu. So only neji can cut that technique as of 12/2/2012 therefore he can cut other techniques such as susanoo.
    Amaterasu burned through the same web.... There you go. .

    Those were just examples of characters giving information that is not true.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Fighter2011 View Post
    Amaterasu burned through the same web.... There you go. .

    Those were just examples of characters giving information that is not true.
    That doesn't disprove me whatsoever. Neji still can cut through susanoo. Sasuke had to use the best offense(according to kabuto) to burn through that web. Therefore Neji's jutsu is comparable and equal to the best offense.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Fighter2011 View Post
    It was said to be unbreakable by its own user lol. Clearly goving hype that it doesnt deserve since it was cut by a weak Technique from a genin.

    Susanoo is, as far as we have seen, the nearest thing to unbreakable in the naruto verse.






    etc etc etc Susanoo isnt perfect of a defense as any other "absolute defense" It has its moments good and bad..
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    Nice thread. Concerning Kidoumaru's webs, just to add that Sasuke even currently admitted it wasn't possible to cut them and they have even Susanoo swords, but they prefered use Amaterasu

    yet a page later it was cut and just because they said those webs could nt be cut doesnt mean its true a show he broke them

    mei melted a ribcage
    danzo made susanoo back go back to 1st form never broke it
    tsunade needed onoki and raikage helps to break a ribcage
    basically a full form susanoo never been broken
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    etc etc etc Susanoo isnt perfect of a defense as any other "absolute defense" It has its moments good and bad..
    I did not say it was unbreakable, it clearly is.

    But is the nearest thing to that word in the narutoverse. Show me another kind of defense or jutsu that has the defensive feats that Susanoo has.

    The only comparable one is the third raikage, And even That was pierced by its one finger jutsu.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    That doesn't disprove me whatsoever. Neji still can cut through susanoo. Sasuke had to use the best offense(according to kabuto) to burn through that web. Therefore Neji's jutsu is comparable and equal to the best offense.
    susanoo stands still while neji attacks it also what is he cutting susanoo with your just a weak debater the neji fanboys are terrible
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    yet a page later it was cut and just because they said those webs could nt be cut doesnt mean its true a show he broke them

    mei melted a ribcage
    danzo made susanoo back go back to 1st form never broke it
    tsunade needed onoki and raikage helps to break a ribcage
    basically a full form susanoo never been broken
    Just contradicted yourself.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    susanoo stands still while neji attacks it also what is he cutting susanoo with your just a weak debater the neji fanboys are terrible
    So now your imagining scenarios? This isn't a vs thread i'm simply proving he can cut it.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    yet a page later it was cut and just because they said those webs could nt be cut doesnt mean its true a show he broke them

    mei melted a ribcage
    danzo made susanoo back go back to 1st form never broke it
    tsunade needed onoki and raikage helps to break a ribcage
    basically a full form susanoo never been broken
    Its was not cut with a traditional physical sword, thats why sasuke used Enton too slash it (amateratsu). So what sasuke said was true, he never "cut" it, he burned it! =)
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    yet a page later it was cut and just because they said those webs could nt be cut doesnt mean its true a show he broke them

    mei melted a ribcage
    danzo made susanoo back go back to 1st form never broke it
    tsunade needed onoki and raikage helps to break a ribcage
    basically a full form susanoo never been broken
    Where do you see something cuting it? He never cut it. He used Enton to burn them
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    Just contradicted yourself.
    that was second form it has 3

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    3 this is final form
     
         
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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    So now your imagining scenarios? This isn't a vs thread i'm simply proving he can cut it.
    Actually, this is a vs thread: sharingan vs byakugan.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    Where do you see something cuting it? He never cut it. He used Enton to burn them
    I swear people are just saying whateve they want without facts. Although since Sasuke required Enton to cut it that means his jyuutsu technique is as powerful as amaterasu. According to kabuto amaterasu is the strongest offense so that makes neji's technique also one of the best offenses.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Fighter2011 View Post
    Actually, this is a vs thread: sharingan vs byakugan.
    No its not, the title is the byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu. You choosing to argue about it is what makes it a vs thread. Can you read the title? Your not even worth my time since you lack the ability to read the title.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Ok I agree that the byakugan is the strongest dojutsu but that is because the entire clan can learn all its techniques. However I can counter argue on certain points as well.

    1. Itachi's tsukyomi vs any byakugan user. simply put if he is to place anybody under tsukyomi he wins the battle because his version of tsukyomi is a variation of space time manipulation. in 1 second of actual time you'll spend 3 days in his world allowing itachi to do whatever he likes to you.
    2. Kakashi's kamui. As we'be recently seen kakashi has mastered his kamui to the point he can instantaneously warp objects or people into the o
    dimension. no byakugan user can block or dodge that type of technique.
    3. Nagato/madara's rinnigan absorbing technique. These two people cab defeat any gentle fist technique because to use gentle fist it requires using chakra and we know that both madara and nagato can absorb chakra thus making all forms of gentle fist irrelevant to the battle.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Fighter2011 View Post
    I did not say it was unbreakable, it clearly is.

    But is the nearest thing to that word in the narutoverse. Show me another kind of defense or jutsu that has the defensive feats that Susanoo has.

    The only comparable one is the third raikage, And even That was pierced by its one finger jutsu.
    Rotation has yet too be defeated, Gaaras Ultimate Shukkaku defense (he doesnt have it anymore) has never been beaten, 3rd kazekages Iron sand Creations have yet too be destroyed. They all >>> susanoo (but PS is the ultimate weapon with supreme defense!)
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    that was second form it has 3

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    3 this is final form
    In what way does that disprove neji cutting it?
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Draegod View Post
    Its was not cut with a traditional physical sword, thats why sasuke used Enton too slash it (amateratsu). So what sasuke said was true, he never "cut" it, he burned it! =)
    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    Where do you see something cuting it? He never cut it. He used Enton to burn them
    it was still cut no matter whatcha say :]
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

    Quote Originally Posted by Sostrange89 View Post
    Ok I agree that the byakugan is the strongest dojutsu but that is because the entire clan can learn all its techniques. However I can counter argue on certain points as well.

    1. Itachi's tsukyomi vs any byakugan user. simply put if he is to place anybody under tsukyomi he wins the battle because his version of tsukyomi is a variation of space time manipulation. in 1 second of actual time you'll spend 3 days in his world allowing itachi to do whatever he likes to you.
    2. Kakashi's kamui. As we'be recently seen kakashi has mastered his kamui to the point he can instantaneously warp objects or people into the o
    dimension. no byakugan user can block or dodge that type of technique.
    3. Nagato/madara's rinnigan absorbing technique. These two people cab defeat any gentle fist technique because to use gentle fist it requires using chakra and we know that both madara and nagato can absorb chakra thus making all forms of gentle fist irrelevant to the battle.
    This isn't a comparison for the rinnegan.

    The 3 day timespan they are in the technique is ample time for them to break it. They have perfect chakra control.

    They can still sense the opponents technique. Its very plausible to avoid Kamui if you can sense it.
     
         

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    Re: (Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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    it was still cut no matter whatcha say :]
    No it wasnt, it was burnt! What part of "Enton" do you not see? It was never "cut", Fact!
     
         

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