Nb Mods...Out of controll?

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Ira is here, goodbye brave young soldier.

[Shunsin no Shisui]

I just wonna express a huge 'thank you' for posting this thread because I totally feel you. Some mods but not all, are abusing their power and I strongly think that the admins should get involved as well as the whole of NB because if it's not affecting you now, it may well do sometime in the future. Every NB member's account is at risk here.

My Story
I got 3 infractions for no valid reason and which I didn't even deserve. The first one was due to a misunderstanding involving the mod member. I was kinda new to the base and didn't know how to tell if a NB member is a mod or not, so I started talking to this mod when she started accusing me of prosyletizing my religion. I don't believe in any religion yet she still falsly accused me and when I swore at her for annoying me, she unjustly gave me an infranction without any warning. Obviously they haven't heard of the words Tolerance and Flexibility The second infranction was recent, due to a heated argument with 3 members that were verbally attacking me and insulting me on NB. I was retaliating and simply trying to 'push them away' until they carried on so I had to report them. I'm not sure whether they also got infanctions but I got an infranction for just arguing back. I mean wouldn't you do the same thing if it was happening to you. And the third infranction, huh? your not gonna believe this. I got a third infranction just by asking the mod politely to revise the situation and think about whether I deserve an infranction or not for defending myself against 3 idiots on NB who were clearly insulting me.

Somebody needs to fix NB, 'cause (excuse my language but..) corruption is starting to take over it. And it will eventually affect every user on NB if nothing is done to bring justice and fairness on NB.

[Unbiased]

All mods are effective as all do their job. If a Mod wasn't effective, they wouldn't be a mod anymore.

If you want a mod to be friendly, just follow the rules and discuss or partake in RP or whatever peacefully.

And if you were banned, what you did wasn't insignificant, that's just how you biasly conceived it.

That's not entirely true. I got banned once and had the infractions reversed. Everything is situational. You can't cram every banning into one single your biased box.

[-Haku Yuki-]

One peice of advice Don't think of nb as america think of nb as england during abouslte rulers time, eietehr wait for them to abuse pwoewr and get caught it deal with it otehrwise you get hung ( banned)

[Shinobi Train]

If you follow the rules, you can't get in trouble. Nuff said.

[Hipster Madara]

According to where this was posted and the guidelines for general discussion I believe it fits perfectly as this is a serious matter. I think it would be wise to vote for mods however not for us electing them. Voting in terms of whether or not they're doing a good job. If the community has the ability to fire and hire a mod that wouldn't end well at all but there's no harm in the community reviewing moderators.

I think the way to solve this issue is to let the community do a monthly review of moderators. It can be done based on the polling system in one thread so it does not clutter the server. Therefore moderators are reviewed effectively without the abuse of power from the community. However the reviewers must provide reason and proof as to why they voted to keep that moderator and vice versa.

Everyone on that thread would be banned for "disrespecting mods"

But seriously, it's a good enough idea but it will most likely never be implemented because of those same mods.

[megaamine]

Bizarre! you are still here!

[Unbiased]

Everyone on that thread would be banned for "disrespecting mods"

But seriously, it's a good enough idea but it will most likely never be implemented because of those same mods.

Wow a compliment from Narutobase's very own hipster Madara. I feel special lol

[-Haku Yuki-]

Bizarre! you are still here!

he has until ira's done reading the thread

[Kira was Righteous]

Wesobi is a bad moderator in my opinion.Rude,arrogant and worst of all thinks he above the rules of Nb(which hes not).The electing people who think you should moderate is not a bad idea but it cant be people who are just popular.Those who have a good moral compass,integrity and no life.The other mods fair from decent to great casual misfit and Vision are good from my experience dealing with them so is Ira.Nexus is good as well but grumpy and Caliburn seems to very well mannered and polite despite people(mainly trolls) saying hes rude among other things.The other Mods i haven't talked to really but i really doubt the person in question was banned for simply expressing their opinion in a non offensive way.Its must have been either:

1.Annoying them with constant vms then being slightly rude to them
2. Wesobi
3.The thread maker is lying or twisting the story

[Arcaneos510X]

this is growing to fast and is getting to close to the " hottest thread " territory...
please...
NB...
STAHP !

[Unbiased]

he has until ira's done reading the thread

Dude Ira isn't on the thread right now. He may of survived for the moment..

[-Haku Yuki-]

Wesobi is a bad moderator in my opinion.Rude,arrogant and worst of all thinks he above the rules of Nb(which hes not).The electing people who think you should moderate is not a bad idea but it cant be people who are just popular.Those who have a good moral compass,integrity and no life.The other mods fair from decent to great casual misfit and Vision are good from my experience dealing with them so is Ira.Nexus is good as well but grumpy and Caliburn seems to very well mannered and polite despite people(mainly trolls) saying hes rude among other things.The other Mods i haven't talked to really but i really doubt the person in question was banned for simply expressing their opinion in a non offensive way.Its must have been either:

1.Annoying them with constant vms then being slightly rude to them
2. Wesobi
3.The thread maker is lying or twisting the story

first of all yes cail is one of the nbest mods second us tries the same thing we still get corrupted goveners and etc

[rikerslade]

I just wonna express a huge 'thank you' for posting this thread because I totally feel you. Some mods but not all, are abusing their power and I strongly think that the admins should get involved as well as the whole of NB because if it's not affecting you now, it may well do sometime in the future. Every NB member's account is at risk here.

My Story
I got 3 infractions for no valid reason and which I didn't even deserve. The first one was due to a misunderstanding involving the mod member. I was kinda new to the base and didn't know how to tell if a NB member is a mod or not, so I started talking to this mod when she started accusing me of prosyletizing my religion. I don't believe in any religion yet she still falsly accused me and when I swore at her for annoying me, she unjustly gave me an infranction without any warning. Obviously they haven't heard of the words Tolerance and Flexibility The second infranction was recent, due to a heated argument with 3 members that were verbally attacking me and insulting me on NB. I was retaliating and simply trying to 'push them away' until they carried on so I had to report them. I'm not sure whether they also got infanctions but I got an infranction for just arguing back. I mean wouldn't you do the same thing if it was happening to you. And the third infranction, huh? your not gonna believe this. I got a third infranction just by asking the mod politely to revise the situation and think about whether I deserve an infranction or not for defending myself against 3 idiots on NB who were clearly insulting me.

Somebody needs to fix NB, 'cause (excuse my language but..) corruption is starting to take over it. And it will eventually affect every user on NB if nothing is done to bring justice and fairness on NB.

1. No one forced you to reply to those guys did they? You could have done the mature thing and ignored it. After all, this is the internet. What pride do you have at stake here?

2. At the swearing-at-Mod thing, ignorance isn't an excuse. If you break a law in real life, it doesn't matter if you didn't know it was illegal, you still get consequences. Same concept applies here.

If you follow the rules, you can't get in trouble. Nuff said.

This. It's like hating cops cuz they stop you from breaking the law.

[Hipster Madara]

Wow a compliment from Narutobase's very own hipster Madara. I feel special lol

What?
I compliment people all the time. O__O

I think many mods do a good job but some do not.
The problem I see is that most people are afraid to talk about the mod's few weak points because they are afraid to be infracted again.

[megaamine]

he has until ira's done reading the thread

Ira is gone!

[Shunsin no Shisui]

As you can see I'm really upset because of what's happening with some mods abusing their power. And one more thing, if a mod does ban this thread, then they have only proved themselves that they are in the wrong by bringing injustice and abusing their power. Every one has a freedom to express their views so why should we be arrested or in this case banned for expressing our views!?

[Ira]

Title says it all...

As of lately, Ive seen countless.

Trolls makeing threads about other members

Or other things.

But dont get banned or removed.

Don't get banned or removed? Oh really? Send me PMs and link those thread and trolls who were ignored.

But then like last night, i saw a couple of members.

Banned for basically saying that one of them[mods] needs to be fired or replaced.

A couple? Since when you are two people?

[he wasnt talking, bad or insulting anyone]

just speaking his mind, w/o being rude or any of that...

Thoughts?

My thoughts are that your "couple" became "he" suddenly. That makes 50% of your statement untrue, right there. By the way I have the posts which got those members on record. It was stupid but rude and personal attack..

Every action a mod takes is on record and admins can check it. In fact mods are always under the observation and review. I would say contact an admin if you have any problems but we both know why you wouldn't do that don't we?

I really think that we as a NB community, should demand for an small election...

On who we think should be suitable for the running of this site.

You are the perfect example why it shouldn't be allowed even if you were actually paying for the services at this site.

Because in all honesty, some of the mods have taken there power to far.

You should say some of the members take their power and privileges given to them for registering at this site too far.

So im calling for all NB to make a petiton or something to that effect, to change the current staff of mods.

Only those who have no understanding of how forums work would support you.

[not insulting, not bashing and members or etc]
[if im banned then you all know why...]

Don't worry. I will make sure of it.

And if im banned over this thread.
Then i shall never return to this site again.

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FreePussiRiot
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You promise!!wease:


I will reply others.. too if I get time. Please don't feel left out. ^^

[Ira]

According to where this was posted and the guidelines for general discussion I believe it fits perfectly as this is a serious matter. I think it would be wise to vote for mods however not for us electing them. Voting in terms of whether or not they're doing a good job. If the community has the ability to fire and hire a mod that wouldn't end well at all but there's no harm in the community reviewing moderators.

I think the way to solve this issue is to let the community do a monthly review of moderators. It can be done based on the polling system in one thread so it does not clutter the server. Therefore moderators are reviewed effectively without the abuse of power from the community. However the reviewers must provide reason and proof as to why they voted to keep that moderator and vice versa.

The community is too ignorant about what's going on, even when they mean well at times.

People, here, cannot use even the right to rep properly and be objective about it. That's evidence enough how reliable they would be with voting rights.

You can insult/do anything you like to others members, Most mods won't care.

But asoon as you say something about a Mod, They bring the infraction/Ban hammer down on you.

I've called Nb members every name under the sun since i've joined, Didn't get a single infraction or warning, Yet i got one for saying "some Mods are assholes some arn't.

God forbid we say anything about the all powerful mobs.

You were lucky that no one reported you. Be thankful for the times you escaped instead of fretting about the time you got caught.

This isn't specifically about people getting banned, he merely used it as an example. Its a thread about changing the current staff which to my knowledge is not illegal on this site.

Not sure if you are really that naive or just trying to grab opportunity to express your own dissatisfaction because of not getting your way on occasions - Which you try pretty often and try to bend rules- just like you tried to validate this thread within forums rules despite it being banned topic explicitly.

i just want to fix the problem.

according to a couple of my friends

Who were once well known seasoned members of this site.

There is always One Mod who is doing the Pm,Infracting,Banning the most

Your alts are not exactly separate entity than you- even if you consider them your friends.

I agree, I get banned all the time, for insignificant things as it is.

I think new ones would suit the site better, and not just those random, die hard rule loving mods, but one of US, or few of US, should be mods.

New mods... lol. Changing mods is not going to solve your problem. You have been complaining about the rules since day one. Didn't you demand it from Rei that she changed the rules and did it your way? You got your reply from her and probably other admins as well already. You really need to remember that this site is not yours and the admins here have a right to run it their way. They don't come to your site and ask you to follow their rules. Please return the curtsey.

I just wonna express a huge 'thank you' for posting this thread because I totally feel you. Some mods but not all, are abusing their power and I strongly think that the admins should get involved as well as the whole of NB because if it's not affecting you now, it may well do sometime in the future. Every NB member's account is at risk here.

Nope only trolls and people who break rules and act like pests at forums. Those users who start flaming and raging every time thing don't go their way get or keep breaking other rules, get banned eventually on their own accord.

My Story
I got 3 infractions for no valid reason and which I didn't even deserve. The first one was due to a misunderstanding involving the mod member. I was kinda new to the base and didn't know how to tell if a NB member is a mod or not, so I started talking to this mod when she started accusing me of prosyletizing my religion. I don't believe in any religion yet she still falsly accused me and when I swore at her for annoying me, she unjustly gave me an infranction without any warning. Obviously they haven't heard of the words Tolerance and Flexibility The second infranction was recent, due to a heated argument with 3 members that were verbally attacking me and insulting me on NB. I was retaliating and simply trying to 'push them away' until they carried on so I had to report them. I'm not sure whether they also got infanctions but I got an infranction for just arguing back. I mean wouldn't you do the same thing if it was happening to you. And the third infranction, huh? your not gonna believe this. I got a third infranction just by asking the mod politely to revise the situation and think about whether I deserve an infranction or not for defending myself against 3 idiots on NB who were clearly insulting me.

First two are rather obvious- flaming a mod or members will get you infracted. Starting and Participating in flame war both are against rules.

Your third infraction is for spam post in a troll thread. All the three infractions are from three different mods- two for flames on two different occasion and one for spam. Dunno how come you concluded that you got it for asking to reverse any infraction unless you are again telling a "story".

Somebody needs to fix NB, 'cause (excuse my language but..) corruption is starting to take over it. And it will eventually affect every user on NB if nothing is done to bring justice and fairness on NB.

Corruption? Oh yea- the members who only tell half the story and make up some when detailing their infraction history.

As you can see I'm really upset because of what's happening with some mods abusing their power. And one more thing, if a mod does ban this thread, then they have only proved themselves that they are in the wrong by bringing injustice and abusing their power. Every one has a freedom to express their views so why should we be arrested or in this case banned for expressing our views!?

You really need to learn when to back out. No abuse here- you agreed to follow the rules when you registered. Your freedom of expression is limited by the forum rules of this site. Get over it.

Too tired to reply in more detail or care about it.

[Lawliet]

I'm just going to add that if you guys have a problem with the normal moderators you message the Global moderators (Which are Caliburn, I and Ira) or if you have a problem with any of us Global Moderators you message the admins! (Or if you like, just message the admins directly about whoever). Creating a thread like this (with an alt, no less) will not help your cause and you'll probably be infracted for it anyway. If you have a valid complaint take it to someone who actually cares AND has the ability to do something about it - The Admins. A few mods in the past have actually been demodded for such instances.

95% of all of your infractions could of easily been avoided if you had just simply read the rules and followed them. It's really not that difficult to follow.

[Caliburn]

And here we go again ~_~ sometimes I really wonder into what kind of unholy places some people stuck their heads to get their minds so messed up. They say a donkey doesn't hit his head twice on the same stone, but if the members who made these kinds of threads were donkeys, whatever surrogate substance they had in their skulls for brains, it would be all over the stone by now. You would think people would have learned by now what steps they should follow when they have an issue with a mod. Not mods as you also would think people would know by now that it's not because one mod might have done something wrong, all of them are like that. That's simply childish and how many people on NB actually really know every single member of the staff? Let alone having issues with all of them? Still they use utter insignificant stuff and blow it out of proportion, acting all moralistic and innocent while they were in fact the root and cause for all the problems, but couldn't handle it when a mod tried to set them straight. Because they couldn't handle the mod, they just wait till one of the other persons finally cracks and does the one thing he shouldn't do: making a thread about it. Then they all jump on the bandwagon, using him as a living shield.

I mean the maker of this thread has 4 or 5 accounts...all of them banned. I know of at least two people who posted in this thread who claim having nothing done wrong or reduce what they did wrong to banalities. If you have 4 pages of infractions, you did stuff wrong. One of them was once bugging me, almost harassing, because he personally thought that the no flame, no spam rules were stupid and should be removed. That person went after that even to Rei, an admin, harassing her too about it and he succeeded in even pissing her off with his mindless jabbering and she is one of the kindest people on NB...and then he comes saying here he barely did anything wrong. Another guy tried to convert Ira in a PM, acting like he was neutral, but that in fact was nothing more than a facade as it was fairly obvious he already had a specific preference and if I recall correctly he even used the words "confused" or "lost" to describe her religious status -_-

In theory every time someone breaks a rule he or she can be infracted or warned, no matter how small or insignificant it was. Whether the mod will do that, that's up to him to decide. Every mod has a different way to handle things, meaning it indeed rests on that mods judgement and his interpretation of the rules. So? That's perfectly normal and fair or do you think that in court a jury or judge hasn't based their decision on their interpretation of the rules? Don't be so naive. The mods are mods because they make decisions as fairly as possible. If a mod really is corrupt, he will be demodded eventually. Every mod makes mistakes and I'm never going to deny that, however there has only been one mod since I became a member of the staff of who it really can be said he was abusing his authority on a large scale and he got demodded. All the other mods might have made mistakes, even me, but none of those were serious, always minor stuff and thus not even worth making a fuss about.

I dare to say that around 90% of all the bans and infractions people in this thread claimed to be "unfair" or "abuse of power" were all perfectly justifiable. That becomes extremely obvious when you see that I actually barely received any real complaints about mods abusing their power. If I receive any, it's almost always RP related. I don't like this type of threads, however I would still be able to understand it if someone really tried anything within their power to solve it, but failed and then still wants to try to discuss the matter instead of accusing people of something. So far no one ever made such a thread. When you have a problem with a mod, go to a smod. Have a problem with a smod? Go to an admin. After that having a problem with an admin? Well then instead of pushing the problem always on other people, maybe it becomes time to at least consider you might be the one who is wrong.

Do people that? No. They get into some minor issues with one or two mods. They can't handle that, so they make a thread about it to cry and blow it out of proportion so that all the mods are to blame. They didn't even bother understanding the situation, they only see and interpret what they want to see, which is often childish, immature, limited and above all wrong. And there is a very simple way to see when that's the case: do you think it's a coincidence that the replies of the mods are almost always of a completely different caliber than the persons who posted the thread or than the posts who supported the thread? Of course not. I mean the very first post of this thread is so vague and shallow we need to call the Ghostbusters as it's practically a ghost. Why is that? For starters if it doesn't have any contents, it can be interpreted in countless of ways and this way they try to get people on their side. If they say too much, well then it becomes much easier to see that they are almost always wrong. Secondly they simply can't say more. They didn't bother much in understanding the situation. They instantly jumped from something minor to something big, they never tried to follow the steps mentioned earlier which you should follow when you have a problem with a mod. The result is what you get in this thread. Empty, hollow, extremely biased posts made by people who just hopped on the bandwagon, completely oblivious of the bigger picture, only thinking about themselves.

And that's the difference between them and the mods as we do try to explain the situation. If you have common sense you should realize that a member who has never been a mod on NB can't possibly know what and how much mods actually do and thus can't possibly complain about them due to lack of information. If there truly was a problem with the staff of NB, saying that they are out of control and are abusing their power, then how is it possible NB is running fine, even considering all the problems? That indicates that it's very stable. And if there was such a big problem, if a thread would be made about it, it should be humongous. That's how serious such an issue is. It's impossible to only write a few lines about such a matter. Still the fact that people always end up with these pathetic excuses of a thread and thus by default prove that they're wrong.

I always laugh when people start talking about us getting profit or love to abuse our power. I mean we don't get squad for being a mod. A 10 year old bully makes more profit beating up little kids than we do on NB. We love banning or infracting people? It's the complete opposite, we hate it. We don't punish people because we want to, but because we have to. It's probably the people who made these kinds of threads who would love to punish people. When you infract or warn someone automatically a PM is generated and it's not really fun for us when half of the people who got infracted reply on it. Some of them simply to insult us, others to mock us, other to post weird stuff and then you have the most annoying ones namely the ones who think it was not fair and keep bugging you about it. Like that guy from a few weeks back who I warned or infracted because he multi posted 58 times in the Forum Games section, but claimed I was wrong even though it's clearly stated in both the Global Rules as in the FG section itself that it's not allowed. When I explained it to him he still acted like "you're the mod, so I need to listen" still implying he didn't do anything wrong. Threads like these aren't fun either.

So we don't get paid and we get harassed and annoyed all the time. There aren't really much benefits in being a staff member, what we do is volunteer work and we do it because we like NB. Then people who only are a bother to NB start complaining about the staff because they have got some disillusional image of an NB mod that they created out of their own fantasy?

As you can see I'm really upset because of what's happening with some mods abusing their power. And one more thing, if a mod does ban this thread, then they have only proved themselves that they are in the wrong by bringing injustice and abusing their power. Every one has a freedom to express their views so why should we be arrested or in this case banned for expressing our views!?

No mod is abusing his or her power, you are just one of those persons who can't handle critics or having people go against you. The situation is in fact the complete opposite than you describe it. There are some serious issues with several members, but instead of growing up and taking responsibility for their own actions, they take the immature way out and just blame it on other people. From the moment someone says "if a mod does ban this thread, they have only proved themselves that they are in the wrong" you can be 100% certain that the mods were correct and that the people who created or supported the thread realized they (subconsciously or not) lost their footing and pull the lowest, weakest and childish of arguments someone could possibly use in this type of discussion. There's always at least one person who says such a line and not a single time were they ever right.

It's the same with trolls. From the moment they say "If you ban me, imma gonna hack this site!!!" you can be certain you're dealing, even after trolls standards, with an immature brat. Not a single time did one of those people succeed in it. With other words it's one of the most pathetic things you can say, similar when a child says "I'm going to tell my mommy", in those situations just to act tough.

Mods aren't out of control, if anyone some members have finally snapped and went haywire and we are the ones who try to keep them from doing any harm to NB. However we can't be everywhere at all times. That's impossible and unreasonable.

Also every person who suggested or thought it was a good idea to vote for new mods or to 'review' mods, be real and grow up. Only people who truly understand the workings of NB are eligible to discuss such matters as if you don't understand NB, how could you possibly know what's best for it? And everyone who understands NB knows that such ideas are unreasonable, impractical and above all impossible. That's not a biased opinion, that's a simple fact.

So once again I wasted my time explaining my reasoning which I sincerely doubt is going to stop the next crutch making this thread again in the future. Normal members might have enjoyed or hated reading it, but the ones who really need to understand this thread, namely the persons who keep whining about their petty infractions and bans they deserved, will probably not even read it or just ignore it, simply thinking in all their ignorance that I and all the other mods are always wrong. I have more success getting through the head of my stuffed toy, Sir Dommel 1860, than through theirs.

Like always the result is the same: the staff hasn't done anything wrong and all accusations are misplaced as they were born from the arrogance and ignorance of a few displeased members. After all isn't it odd that most of the people who complain often have a history of misconduct and didn't do a thing for NB nor had a positive influence on it? If they had any influence, beyond all doubt it's a negative one. And none of those people have even the slightest idea of what a mod does, so they just make things up. Yes mods make mistakes, no one is perfect, but we do our best to have a positive influence on NB, even enduring all the crap that comes along with it and then see again a bunch of ignorant whiners that still get high on a glass of milk complaining about their petty infractions they deserved.

Luckily NB still has got a lot of good members who aren't so naive to think that 'freedom of speech' means that you can blabber anything you want out of your mouth and really want to help NB. Whatever we do it's to help NB, we don't gain anything by guiding NB to ruin. NB isn't perfect, but the situation that gets described here is a lie and the suggestions made would only make things worse and someone who truly understands NB knows that.