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    Re: Minato can beat sharingan.. but not byakugan

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    The byakugan allows the user to sense attacks. Therefore sneak attacks are impossible.
    Yeah that's true however, let's look back to part 1 when sasuke and rock lee started fighting during the chunnin exams. Sasuke was able to see his attack's yet he couldn't defend himself.

    Seeing the attack doesn't mean it's ineffective. It would come down the the person and his abilities to react to Minato attack's which are instant. I doubt there is anyone who would react to his attack's considering his reflexes are unrivaled.
     
         

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    Re: Minato can beat sharingan.. but not byakugan

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    Minato doesn't specialize in sneak attacks, He specializes in quick upfront assassinations , there is a huge difference

    You don't need sharingan to predict Minato, Killer bee showed this... With sharingan you have a extra advantage of being able to track and predict the movements of his kunai for v2...

    I Fail to see your point
    Well, Bee only prepared himself naturally because he probably noticed the marking on himself before. Sharingan precognition has nothing to do with it. In fact Sharingan can't predict an instant teleportation. Ask to Tobi what's FTG and he will learn it to you
     
         

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    Re: Minato can beat sharingan.. but not byakugan

    Quote Originally Posted by YellowFlash1 View Post
    Yeah that's true however, let's look back to part 1 when sasuke and rock lee started fighting during the chunnin exams. Sasuke was able to see his attack's yet he couldn't defend himself.

    Seeing the attack doesn't mean it's ineffective. It would come down the the person and his abilities to react to Minato attack's which are instant. I doubt there is anyone who would react to his attack's considering his reflexes are unrivaled.
    That is true no doubt, I'm merely stating the Byakugan would give the user the ability to see the attack coming. The argument here is that Minato cannot beat the Byakugan in terms of its dojutsu prowess not a specific character. Therefore my argument still stands only due to this topic being solely about the dojutsu and not a specific character.
     
         

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    Re: Minato can beat sharingan.. but not byakugan

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    Re: Minato can beat sharingan.. but not byakugan

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    That is true no doubt, I'm merely stating the Byakugan would give the user the ability to see the attack coming. The argument here is that Minato cannot beat the Byakugan in terms of its dojutsu prowess not a specific character. Therefore my argument still stands only due to this topic being solely about the dojutsu and not a specific character.
    Well obviously I don't mean hinata will beat him..lol. but take someone like neji's father who would obviously be top tier...or nehi himself...
     
         

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    Re: Minato can beat sharingan.. but not byakugan

    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    Minato doesn't specialize in sneak attacks, He specializes in quick upfront assassinations , there is a huge difference

    You don't need sharingan to predict Minato, Killer bee showed this... With sharingan you have a extra advantage of being able to track and predict the movements of his kunai for v2...

    I Fail to see your point
    Thank you ikr? When the fk did any1 say Minato specializes in Sneak attacks?
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    Re: Minato can beat sharingan.. but not byakugan

    Quote Originally Posted by SageMode 23 View Post
    Well obviously I don't mean hinata will beat him..lol. but take someone like neji's father who would obviously be top tier...or nehi himself...
    Neji's father has shown more potential with the Byakugan then any other character. He can even detect killing intent and his heavenly rotation is greater then the others by a significant amount. If were comparing characters, I pick him over the others to fight Minato as he has the best chance.


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    Re: Minato can beat sharingan.. but not byakugan

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    Re: Minato can beat sharingan.. but not byakugan

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    That is true no doubt, I'm merely stating the Byakugan would give the user the ability to see the attack coming. The argument here is that Minato cannot beat the Byakugan in terms of its dojutsu prowess not a specific character. Therefore my argument still stands only due to this topic being solely about the dojutsu and not a specific character.
    Technically anyone would be able to see him coming. They would either be marked or see his marking, infact i bet they would see him just before he cut there head off.

    You don't need Byakugan, do see him coming because that isn't exactly a massive trait. It comes down to wither you can react.

    They wouldn't be able to see him coming in a sense because he would be "HERE" then "THERE".. They wouldn't be able to see his movement's, they would merely just know of his presence, still doesn't mean they have an advantage in dodging his attack.
     
         
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    Re: Minato can beat sharingan.. but not byakugan

    Quote Originally Posted by YellowFlash1 View Post
    Technically anyone would be able to see him coming. They would either be marked or see his marking, infact i bet they would see him just before he cut there head off.

    You don't need Byakugan, do see him coming because that isn't exactly a massive trait. It comes down to wither you can react.

    They wouldn't be able to see him coming in a sense because he would be "HERE" then "THERE".. They wouldn't be able to see him movement's, they would merely just know of his presence, still doesn't mean they have an advantage in dodging his attack.
    Having the byakugan immediately gives the user an advantage over someone who does not. Like I said though it doesn't mean they can react but it definitely helps.
     
         

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    Re: Minato can beat sharingan.. but not byakugan

    Byakugan is shit minato destroys any hyuga with ease
     
         

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    Re: Minato can beat sharingan.. but not byakugan

    Quote Originally Posted by YellowFlash1 View Post
    Technically anyone would be able to see him coming. They would either be marked or see his marking, infact i bet they would see him just before he cut there head off.

    You don't need Byakugan, do see him coming because that isn't exactly a massive trait. It comes down to wither you can react.

    They wouldn't be able to see him coming in a sense because he would be "HERE" then "THERE".. They wouldn't be able to see his movement's, they would merely just know of his presence, still doesn't mean they have an advantage in dodging his attack.
    They will know where all of his kunai are placed and be able to respond accordingly whenever he appears at one of them. Kinda like what the raikage did.
     
         

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    Re: Minato can beat sharingan.. but not byakugan

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    Well, Bee only prepared himself naturally because he probably noticed the marking on himself before. Sharingan precognition has nothing to do with it. In fact Sharingan can't predict an instant teleportation. Ask to Tobi what's FTG and he will learn it to you

    Never said Sharingan can predict instant teleportation.. i Said it can predict the movements of kunai .. Which Itachi has shown on multiple occasions.... Being able to track the kunai will be key to dealing with them when it comes to v2..

    V1 Is simple for Byakugan or sharingan.. You'd be able to see and track the kunai's on the ground... Byakugan has a extra advantage here as they can see almost 360... the sharingan makes up for this by it's ability to predict where the kunai would land ..

    ^ The above is something that can be easily done by any ninja with average intelligence.. Raikage was able to mark the location of all minato's kunai.. so he knew where to stay away from and where he could possibly go to...

    Byakugan and sharigan users can handle this EASIER ,much easier for sharingan , and almost no difficulty for a byakugan user
     
         

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    Re: Minato can beat sharingan.. but not byakugan

    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post

    Never said Sharingan can predict instant teleportation.. i Said it can predict the movements of kunai .. Which Itachi has shown on multiple occasions.... Being able to track the kunai will be key to dealing with them when it comes to v2..

    V1 Is simple for Byakugan or sharingan.. You'd be able to see and track the kunai's on the ground... Byakugan has a extra advantage here as they can see almost 360... the sharingan makes up for this by it's ability to predict where the kunai would land ..
    It's not even sure that Itachi knows level2 to begin with since even Minato's closest student didn't notice it. Obito has sharingan, but it didn't help him to get fooled by those kunais, it didn't help him to get fooled by FTG level2, it didn't helped him to get beaten by Minato. In fact the kunais are not the real problem here. The problem is Minato himself. The problem is not to know the position of the kunais, but to know where Minato will appear among those kunais, something that Sharingan can't predict, which is why Sharingan is not really usefull in this case
     
         

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    Re: Minato can beat sharingan.. but not byakugan

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    They will know where all of his kunai are placed and be able to respond accordingly whenever he appears at one of them. Kinda like what the raikage did.
    Yeah everyone is able to see them, i don't understand why the Vision of the Byakugan is needed, sure it would help you see them however the outcome is the same never the less.

    The point i'm making and it's relevant to the post. The post stated that Minato can beat the Sharingan but not the Byakugan, which is incorrect.

    The Byakugan is able to make you aware of there presence, however by the time they see they know he's there, their dead. It was state that Neji's Vision is 50 meters ...

    Now it doesn't matter if it was 100 meters or 150 meters. If Minato has a marker that is out range from their vision and has marked the Opponent, let's say there not aware of it. Minato is able to appear there so fast that even if they person was to acknowledge he was there, he wouldn't be able to react.

    Point i'm making is that he can beat it.

    Even the sharingan, which is known for reading people's movement's can't react.
     
         

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    Re: Minato can beat sharingan.. but not byakugan

    Minato throws kunai beside the users face. Teles like a boss and rasengans the mother****er... They don't have time to see him..
     
         

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    Re: Minato can beat sharingan.. but not byakugan

    Quote Originally Posted by YellowFlash1 View Post
    Yeah everyone is able to see them, i don't understand why the Vision of the Byakugan is needed, sure it would help you see them however the outcome is the same never the less.

    The point i'm making and it's relevant to the post. The post stated that Minato can beat the Sharingan but not the Byakugan, which is incorrect.

    The Byakugan is able to make you aware of there presence, however by the time they see they know he's there, their dead. It was state that Neji's Vision is 50 meters ...

    Now it doesn't matter if it was 100 meters or 150 meters. If Minato has a marker that is out range from their vision and has marked the Opponent, let's say there not aware of it. Minato is able to appear there so fast that even if they person was to acknowledge he was there, he wouldn't be able to react.

    Point i'm making is that he can beat it.
    You are saying that a byakugan user would not be aware if he was marked, which is completely ridiculous.

    Not only that, but they can use their chakra control to release chakra from the chakra points anywhere on their body, meaning that their whole body is viturally a weapon itslef. They can attack and defend at nearly angle around them.
     
         

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    Re: Minato can beat sharingan.. but not byakugan

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    It's not even sure that Itachi knows level2 to begin with since even Minato's closest student didn't notice it. Obito has sharingan, but it didn't help him to get fooled by those kunais, it didn't help him to get fooled by FTG level2, it didn't helped him to get beaten by Minato. In fact the kunais are not the real problem here. The problem is Minato himself. The problem is not to know the position of the kunais, but to know where Minato will appear among those kunais, something that Sharingan can't predict, which is why Sharingan is not really usefull in this case
    Closest student?

    I can't argue whether or not Itachi knows of such a thing... He is a knowledgeable person, knowing of things like Sage mode, edo tensei, hashirama etc....his family also had a close relation with Minato's.....
    At most I will argue he knows of v1...
    Both are very important.. to know where he'll appear you should know exactly where his kunai are...

    If we're talking about Itachi, then you should remember what kabuto said... He uses his eyes to read people, and effectively predicts their next moves before they do it....

    Bee may have seen the tag.. but he predicted exactly WHEN Minato teleported.. timing was everything in that... this just shows that a normal ninja can pull of a feat just like that
     
         

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    Re: Minato can beat sharingan.. but not byakugan

    Quote Originally Posted by fastrthnwind View Post
    You are saying that a byakugan user would not be aware if he was marked, which is completely ridiculous.

    Not only that, but they can use their chakra control to release chakra from the chakra points anywhere on their body, meaning that their whole body is viturally a weapon itslef. They can attack and defend at nearly angle around them.
    I'm not saying that they can't sense they have been tagged. I made that situation to prove that if they didn't expect it, their vision that allows them to be aware or people withing a certain area wouldn't help the dodge the attack.

    Wither or not they can sense it has nothing to do with it. If they know they have been tagged the out come in the same. I was making it to prove that by the time they were aware of Minato presence it would be to late.

    Hence why i said "Lets say their not aware of it"

    Your statement makes no difference to what i'm saying.... I don't understand why you guy continue to argue with me. You guys are completely going of topic....

    I'm stating that Minato can beat the Byakugan. You guys are merely explain to me that they are aware of people .. which is know
     
         
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    Re: Minato can beat sharingan.. but not byakugan

    Quote Originally Posted by YellowFlash1 View Post
    I'm not saying that they can't sense they have been tagged. I made that situation to prove that if they didn't expect it, their vision that allows them to be aware or people withing a certain area wouldn't help the dodge the attack.

    Wither or not they can sense it has nothing to do with it. If they know they have been tagged the out come in the same. I was making it to prove that by the time they were aware of Minato presence it would be to late.
    Minato first has to tag them with his seal, which is going to be difficult against masters of taijutsu who can release chakra from any point on their body do attack and defend themselves.

    Advanced Hyuugas have rotation, 64 palms, and vacuum palm which would make it even harder for him to get a hit on them.
     
         

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