Orochimaru has manipulated a lot of smart people, and doing this has even made his own village. Even in his death everything is still going according to his plan, he knew he would be revived, Madara didn't expect edo tensei (even though he knows enough to know how to break it)
Madara has manipulated Obito, and Tsuki No Me is probably bs, genius lie if it is, Madara is the true one behind all of Obito's actions, the reason why Minato and Kushina are dead, why the uchiha clan is dead, gave nagato his rinnegan, etc.
Who's the better manipulator here?
only a fool would put Madara over Orochimaru. honestly Orochimaru is pretty much the textbook definition of manipulation. I feel like glueing a picture of Orochimaru in every dictionary under the word "Manipulative"