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    Law banning gay 'conversion therapy' put on hold by judge.

    A federal judge has issued a temporary injunction on California's ban on "conversion" therapy -- a method some say can help turn a gay person straight.

    The first of its kind in the United States, the state ban was intended to prevent young people under 18 from undergoing the controversial treatment. It would have gone into effect January 1.

    The therapy techniques described in that lawsuit included having participants strip naked in group sessions, cuddling and intimate holding of others of the same sex, violently beating an effigy of their mothers with a tennis racket, visiting bath houses "in order to be nude with father figures," and being "subjected to ridicule as '******s' and 'homos' in mock locker room scenarios." Some psychologists insist conversion therapy is dangerous to patients, and say it simply does not work.

    U.S. District Judge William Shubb ruled Monday that the ban Gov. Jerry Brown signed earlier this year could offend the First Amendment rights of therapists to express their opinions about homosexuality. Three plaintiffs filed the suit, arguing that the ban was unconstitutional.

    The plaintiffs are a licensed marriage and family therapist who is also an ordained minister; a medical doctor and board-certified psychiatrist who works with people over 16 years old; and a man who was sexually attracted to other men but who wanted to practice conversion therapy to "help" men like him.

    Earlier this year, Brown tweeted about the measure to ban conversion therapy on minors.

    "This bill bans non-scientific 'therapies' that have driven young people to depression and suicide," the governor tweeted. "These practices have no basis in science or medicine."
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    :lmao: How do you guys feel about this? I believe that this "therapy" will only hurt the participants more in the end. And will in no way turn the homosexuals into heterosexuals. I also believe people are just born gay...and that there is no way to warp an indivual's sexual interest. But that's sort of a different topic....
     
         

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    a method to turn gay in to straight ........ NOW THATS GAY !
     
         

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    I think I'm watching/reading too much OP. Every time Law is mentioned I think of Trafalgar Law :D

    As for the new law, I think that's sick man.
     
         

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    Re: Law banning gay 'conversion therapy' put on hold by judge.

    Quote Originally Posted by SasoriOfTheRedSaand View Post
    I think I'm watching/reading too much OP. Every time Law is mentioned I think of Trafalgar Law :D

    As for the new law, I think that's sick man.
    I had the same thing.

    OT: Good, this is one step to get stupid religious morals out of the lawbook.
     
         

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    I don't see a problem with it. Who gives a damn. Either way I don't see what's the point or how people should really care for a such an act it's stupid. People have there own lives. So what? And for the record no one is born gay. Of that was the case then that's really stupid. And makes no sense. Really. People are born to like the same sex.
     
         

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    Re: Law banning gay 'conversion therapy' put on hold by judge.

    Quote Originally Posted by IAmWumbo View Post
    Wrong, people are born without a sexual preference. And taco's are awesome!
    Yes tacos are the best. I don't see why that's relevant.
     
         

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    Re: Law banning gay 'conversion therapy' put on hold by judge.

    Quote Originally Posted by IAmWumbo View Post
    What! A therapy session were you strip naked in a room full of guys, sounds like a dream to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by SasoriOfTheRedSaand View Post
    I think I'm watching/reading too much OP. Every time Law is mentioned I think of Trafalgar Law :D

    As for the new law, I think that's sick man.

    Quote Originally Posted by YowYan View Post
    I had the same thing.

    OT: Good, this is one step to get stupid religious morals out of the lawbook.
    Ya, but that darn judge is postponing it on basis that it offends the First Amendment rights of therapists to express their opinions about homosexuality.
    Quote Originally Posted by theRPGdude View Post
    I don't see a problem with it. Who gives a damn. Either way I don't see what's the point or how people should really care for a such an act it's stupid. People have there own lives. So what? And for the record no one is born gay. Of that was the case then that's really stupid. And makes no sense. Really. People are born to like the same sex.
    Que? So people interfering and causing mental damgage to people is ok? Nice. ^^

    Also I don't recall choosing to be so.....

    EDIT: Wumbo I also thought of that too, enviormental influences etc.

    But I do not think you can just choose to like girls/boys if your already have an attraction to a particular sex. :y
     
         
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    Quote Originally Posted by IAmWumbo View Post
    Wrong, people are born without a sexual preference.
    REally? Some suggest that hormonal levels at the prenatal stage (regardless the sex) determines your sexual preference.
    There's no conclusive study on either of the statements tho.
     
         

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    Striping naked around the same sex, and cuddling with them. Seems like it would just make you more gay. No offense. I've got a gay uncle, who I love very much, he's a cool dude. I think this idea is complete rubbish. This could really psychologically hurt some people.
     
         

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    Re: Law banning gay 'conversion therapy' put on hold by judge.

    Quote Originally Posted by IAmWumbo View Post
    Well that's your problem not mine.

    Those people don't count.
    lol Right then
     
         

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    Well that's your problem not mine. But I will give you a coupon to one of the best Chinese restaurants in the world. Since I love pork fried rice. And egg rolls.
    Thanks man.
     
         

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    born with it or not .... you dont go trying to change people preffences just because.... you think gays a wrong ...... the world today is shit ....
     
         

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    Re: Law banning gay 'conversion therapy' put on hold by judge.

    IF the methods are truly as mentioned then it wouldnt be a good think but there shouldnt be a law that would stop a homo from seeking possible help to become a hetero. Im sure that if there was a clinic or some thing to turn a hetero into a homo then there would be no issues. because a lot of the time the arguement is one sided...but that doesnt matter....simply i dont think that the method for doing it was right, but if a homo wants to try to be a hetero, through therapy then he should be allowed. The law is restricting some freedom.


    But my opinion NOBODY is born gay. They may be born with some hormone imbalances or stuff like that that may INFLUENCE them to become gay later in their life. But they have the choice, and most of the people who become gay do so from how they were raised, and their environment. Saying someone is born gay is like saying someone is born a muderer, rapist, pedophile etc. They might be born with an influence to become gay but that is it. The idea of a gay gene is absurd. There may be a gene that most gay people have, that affects hormones and stuff, but there is no gene that just makes someone gay. Think of it like someone saying there is a suicide gene. There isnt.there may be a gene that causes hormone imbalances and creates severe depression.


    BUt i reread what you said the therapy did. It sounds more like it is converting people TO BECOME GAY(or at least strengthen the persons gay orientation). I mean holding a member of the same sex intimately? How is that going to make them straight.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swagger jack View Post
    People aren't born gay. There is no such thing as gay genes. It is just how their life turned out. Gays say that they cant di anythung about that they love men. But so do pedohiles (not talking about rapist ofcourse) they also say that they cant control their live and that is why they love children. Same goes for people who love animals etc. There were things hallening in their life and that is why they turned gay or pedohile of whatever. You arent born with a straight, gay genes. Anyway i really dont care about gays they are wrong religously speaking and scientificly speaking
    Ok I like the first sentence. Then you got to some freaky crap about animals and fetishes and I was like whooaahhh!!!
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swagger jack View Post
    People aren't born gay. There is no such thing as gay genes. It is just how their life turned out. Gays say that they cant di anythung about that they love men. But so do pedohiles (not talking about rapist ofcourse) they also say that they cant control their live and that is why they love children. Same goes for people who love animals etc. There were things hallening in their life and that is why they turned gay or pedohile of whatever. You arent born with a straight, gay genes. Anyway i really dont care about gays they are wrong religously speaking and scientificly speaking
    Omg. Not pedophiles = homosexuals areguement. Also the thread isn't about whether or not gays are born gay or straight people are born straight.

    Also you say you don't care about gays? What exactly do you mean by that?

    Do you mean that you do not care whether or not people are gay or something else?
     
         
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Kuro- View Post
    Omg. Not pedophiles = homosexuals areguement. Also the thread isn't about whether or not gays are born gay or straight people are born straight.

    Also you say you don't care about gays? What exactly do you mean by that?
    It's not that. For me I could careless what other people like as a sexual preference. It's pointless.
     
         

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    Re: Law banning gay 'conversion therapy' put on hold by judge.

    Quote Originally Posted by cptenn94 View Post
    IF the methods are truly as mentioned then it wouldnt be a good think but there shouldnt be a law that would stop a homo from seeking possible help to become a hetero. Im sure that if there was a clinic or some thing to turn a hetero into a homo then there would be no issues. because a lot of the time the arguement is one sided...but that doesnt matter....simply i dont think that the method for doing it was right, but if a homo wants to try to be a hetero, through therapy then he should be allowed. The law is restricting some freedom.


    But my opinion NOBODY is born gay. They may be born with some hormone imbalances or stuff like that that may INFLUENCE them to become gay later in their life. But they have the choice, and most of the people who become gay do so from how they were raised, and their environment. Saying someone is born gay is like saying someone is born a muderer, rapist, pedophile etc. They might be born with an influence to become gay but that is it. The idea of a gay gene is absurd. There may be a gene that most gay people have, that affects hormones and stuff, but there is no gene that just makes someone gay. Think of it like someone saying there is a suicide gene. There isnt.there may be a gene that causes hormone imbalances and creates severe depression.


    BUt i reread what you said the therapy did. It sounds more like it is converting people TO BECOME GAY(or at least strengthen the persons gay orientation). I mean holding a member of the same sex intimately? How is that going to make them straight.
    I agree about the enviormental factors and other influences. That's what I really meant when I said people are born gay I guess. :ghehe:

    I have no idea as to how they think that this therapy would work....
     
         

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    Re: Law banning gay 'conversion therapy' put on hold by judge.

    Quote Originally Posted by labiancareality View Post
    born with it or not .... you dont go trying to change people preffences just because.... you think gays a wrong ...... the world today is shit ....
    Hey bro read the article more carefully. The people were SEEKING HELP. They were not being forced. But i think the method was stupid to do so. If a guy wakes up and wants to become gay and stimulated by other men then he should be able to seek help to make him gay, just like if a gay man wants to like and be stimulated by women, he should be allowed to turn straight. The method used from what i can tell would only help make someone get gay tendencies....not turn them straight. I mean holding another man intimately? Doesnt sound like something designed to turn someone straight. Simply the law is illegal. The person under going the therapy, should be allowed to choose to have the therapy if he wishes.....there should only be a law that stops a person from being forced to undergo therapy like that.

    The plaintiffs are a licensed marriage and family therapist who is also an ordained minister; a medical doctor and board-certified psychiatrist who works with people over 16 years old; and a man who was sexually attracted to other men but who wanted to practice conversion therapy to "help" men like him.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Kuro- View Post
    I agree about the enviormental factors and other influences. That's what I really meant when I said people are born gay I guess. :ghehe:

    I have no idea as to how they think that this therapy would work....
    The whole situation is to risky. And even then there may be some hardassment issues involve and it's a really hefty case there. How it would work...it won't.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swagger jack View Post
    People aren't born gay. There is no such thing as gay genes. It is just how their life turned out. Gays say that they cant di anythung about that they love men. But so do pedophile) they also say that they cant control their love and that is why they love children. Same goes for people who love animals etc. There were things happening in their life and that is why they turned gay or pedohile of whatever. You arent born with a straight, gay genes. Anyway i really dont care about gays they are wrong religously speaking and scientificly speaking
    I know, but don't waste your time. Society has collapsed and people will only flame you for the truth. On top of that, the internet seems to be really pro homo. The way I see it, there's only one cure for gays...let's take a lesson from Sodom and Gomorrah. We actually get the word sodomy from sodom. People wonder why the US is having so many problems right now, but no one cares to think about the fact that we allow gays to live, abort babies and teach Evolution in school instead of Scripture. This nation is being destroyed for its sin.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by cptenn94 View Post
    Hey bro read the article more carefully. The people were SEEKING HELP. They were not being forced. But i think the method was stupid to do so. If a guy wakes up and wants to become gay and stimulated by other men then he should be able to seek help to make him gay, just like if a gay man wants to like and be stimulated by women, he should be allowed to turn straight. The method used from what i can tell would only help make someone get gay tendencies....not turn them straight. I mean holding another man intimately? Doesnt sound like something designed to turn someone straight. Simply the law is illegal. The person under going the therapy, should be allowed to choose to have the therapy if he wishes.....there should only be a law that stops a person from being forced to undergo therapy like that.
    i was replying to the comments here in general .... about being born gay & shit , not the article ..... but still think it will backfire
     
         

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    Re: Law banning gay 'conversion therapy' put on hold by judge.

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    It's not that. For me I could careless what other people like as a sexual preference. It's pointless.
    Agreed. Who cares if someone is gay, asian, trans, latino, black, catholic, OR WHATEVER.

    As long as you're a good person, you're fine in my book.
     
         

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    Omg. Not pedophiles = homosexuals areguement. Also the thread isn't about whether or not gays are born gay or straight people are born straight.

    Also you say you don't care about gays? What exactly do you mean by that?

    Do you mean
    lol ...... what the hell is wrong with your parents
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Kuro- View Post
    Agreed. Who cares if someone is gay, asian, trans, latino, black, catholic, OR WHATEVER.

    As long as you're a good person, you're fine in my book.
    exactly my point broski

     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swagger jack View Post
    Something went wrong while replying to you Kuri so i edited this post. Anyway I don't care if they would get rocks thrown at them or if they live free. They really dont mean anything to me and what happens to gay people. There is one kid in mine high school and he is openly gay and he gets bullied evryday he now even went to another school and i did t care about him. It is hard to explain lol but lets say i dont have an opion about them
    But they're still people...so you wouldn't care if a straight kid was getting bullied either?
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinobi Train View Post
    I know, but don't waste your time. Society has collapsed and people will only flame you for the truth. On top of that, the internet seems to be really pro homo. The way I see it, there's only one cure for gays...let's take a lesson from Sodom and Gomorrah. We actually get the word sodomy from sodom. People wonder why the US is having so many problems right now, but no one cares to think about the fact that we allow gays to live, abort babies and teach Evolution in school instead of Scripture. This nation is being destroyed for its sin.
     
         

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