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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    That is utterly wrong. Madara GAVE HIMSELF the shodaime's cells, he said he implanted it in his youth and only at the end of his life did it activate his rinnengan. We don't know what involvement orrochimaru played, but it is most likely extremely minor to the point where he didn't contribute anything. He "might" have tried to revive Madara, which his an interesting theory, but we can't really know.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    , no.

    Minato was in the coffin, unless you want to argue with the manga now?

    Hashirama's cells automatically give you Mokuton, Madara has had Mokuton ever since he implanted Hashirama's DNA, go show me someone who transplanted Hashirama's DNA but did not get Mokuton.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    1. Then please tell me why Madara said this:

    "Damn Kabuto...not only was he able to reproduce the tree world...but the tree flower world!"

    2. Since Akatsuki was a bunch of tools to get the Tsuki no Me plan working, Orochimaru gathered enough intel there to know what Madara and Obito is doing, thus coming to the conclusion of Orochimaru creating all sorts of jutsu to counter this. Like Sennin Mode's immunity to Genjutsu (Most likely used against Infinite Tsukuyomi)
    1: that was Tsunade
    2: sennin mode doesnt give immunity to genjutsu and he wanted to master all the jutsus before he joined the akatsuki.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    , no.

    Minato was in the coffin, unless you want to argue with the manga now?

    Hashirama's cells automatically give you Mokuton, Madara has had Mokuton ever since he implanted Hashirama's DNA, go show me someone who transplanted Hashirama's DNA but did not get Mokuton.
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/117/18

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    Again, lol no.

    Hiruzen didn't stop it, this was already confirmed by Kabuto.

    Minato was in there but wasn't revived due to his soul being in the death god, again confirmed by Kabuto.
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/520/11
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    Again, lol no.

    Hiruzen didn't stop it, this was already confirmed by Kabuto.

    Minato was in there but wasn't revived due to his soul being in the death god, again confirmed by Kabuto.
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/520/11
    What if I told you Kabuto was lying? :P

    And don't you think Hiruzen knew Orochimaru couldn't revive Minato since he like watched him being sealed up? Then why did he block the 3rd Coffin?

    Checkmate :D
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    What if I told you Kabuto was lying? :P

    And don't you think Hiruzen knew Orochimaru couldn't revive Minato since he like watched him being sealed up? Then why did he block the 3rd Coffin?

    Checkmate :D
    , checkmate you say?

    If you told me Kabuto was lying, I would tell you to stop making baseless assumptions to support your belief that has already been proven wrong by the manga.

    Hiruzen didn't know jack squat about the jutsu so he wouldn't know if Minato could come back or not, regardless, Kabuto already stated that was Minato, so it was, end of story.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    , checkmate you say?

    If you told me Kabuto was lying, I would tell you to stop making baseless assumptions to support your belief that has already been proven wrong by the manga.

    Hiruzen didn't know jack squat about the jutsu so he wouldn't know if Minato could come back or not, regardless, Kabuto already stated that was Minato, so it was, end of story.
    Didn't Hiruzen teach Minato that sealing jutsu?
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    Didn't Hiruzen teach Minato that sealing jutsu?
    I'm talking about Edo Tensei.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    I'm talking about Edo Tensei.
    Edo Tensei was a jutsu invented by Tobirama. Hiruzen's Sensei, obviously Hiruzen would have known how it works
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    Edo Tensei was a jutsu invented by Tobirama. Hiruzen's Sensei, obviously Hiruzen would have known how it works
    No it wouldn't be obvious, unless there was a page that showed Tobirama telling him everything about Edo Tensei. He would most likely know about the jutsu itself, but not everything about it.

    But the manga already stated that Orochimaru tried to revive Minato against Hiruzen...not anyone else.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    No it wouldn't be obvious, unless there was a page that showed Tobirama telling him everything about Edo Tensei. He would most likely know about the jutsu itself, but not everything about it.

    But the manga already stated that Orochimaru tried to revive Minato against Hiruzen...not anyone else.
    After you read this, it cannot be Minato:

    You know that to do Edo Tensei you need to perform a ritual beforehand right? You need a living vessel and the DNA of the person you wish to bring back. Now imagine this scenario:

    Orochimaru uses a living victim and sacrifices him, he calls on the DNA of Minato. Oddly enough Minato doesn't come back (Well because of the Shinigami Seal). Minato is then not revived.


    So, after that how it possible for the 3rd Coffin to be Minato if the ritual wouldn't work beforehand? See what I mean. Kabuto was lying.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Bro, Kishi would never have intended that, and he would never go with that either.

    Oro could just have tried summoning Madara again later then, and then find out what was wrong, and he surely would have. So it would have worked. Then why didn't he pull him out all those times, where he needed it?

    No way
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    After you read this, it cannot be Minato:

    You know that to do Edo Tensei you need to perform a ritual beforehand right? You need a living vessel and the DNA of the person you wish to bring back. Now imagine this scenario:

    Orochimaru uses a living victim and sacrifices him, he calls on the DNA of Minato. Oddly enough Minato doesn't come back (Well because of the Shinigami Seal). Minato is then not revived.


    So, after that how it possible for the 3rd Coffin to be Minato if the ritual wouldn't work beforehand? See what I mean. Kabuto was lying.
    Kabuto, who knows everything about Edo Tensei, said that Minato was the one Orochimaru tried to revive Minato, that is more reliable than what you are saying.

    And besides, why would Kabuto lie to Obito about failing to summon Minato.

    And Hiruzen has no way to stop the jutsu.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    Kabuto, who knows everything about Edo Tensei, said that Minato was the one Orochimaru tried to revive Minato, that is more reliable than what you are saying.

    And besides, why would Kabuto lie to Obito about failing to summon Minato.

    And Hiruzen has no way to stop the jutsu.
    The fact his sealed by the Shinigami Fuinjutsu makes it impossible to even see his body in a coffin.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    After you read this, it cannot be Minato:

    You know that to do Edo Tensei you need to perform a ritual beforehand right? You need a living vessel and the DNA of the person you wish to bring back. Now imagine this scenario:

    Orochimaru uses a living victim and sacrifices him, he calls on the DNA of Minato. Oddly enough Minato doesn't come back (Well because of the Shinigami Seal). Minato is then not revived.


    So, after that how it possible for the 3rd Coffin to be Minato if the ritual wouldn't work beforehand? See what I mean. Kabuto was lying.
    Sorry but I really just want to answer this since it is rather simple

    Kabuto re-developed edo tensei - meaning it doesn't have to be the exact same.... This happens ALL the time in Naruto, people change / develop jutsu. Naruto uses rasengan with 2 clones. Sasuke has tons of ways of using chidori. His susano is different from Itachis. Just like all the morons saying sasuke has tsukuyomi, cause it is said in the databook that it is needed. What if he made a new susano depending on only amaterasu? Sasukes skills with amaterasu are astonishing.


    This is the exact same case for Kabutos edo tensei contra Orochimarus. And since we never saw Oro use rituals. Oh wait a minute. He didn't, he first implanted the contracts AFTER he summoned them. So it is WAY different, since Kabuto had done it beforehand. Yup there is your answer. lol.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    The fact his sealed by the Shinigami Fuinjutsu makes it impossible to even see his body in a coffin.
    Read thegame's post above mine.

    Still, Kabuto knows everything about the jutsu and he said Orochimaru tried to revive Minato so he did...thats all there is to it.

    And you didn't answer my questions.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    After you read this, it cannot be Minato:

    You know that to do Edo Tensei you need to perform a ritual beforehand right? You need a living vessel and the DNA of the person you wish to bring back. Now imagine this scenario:

    Orochimaru uses a living victim and sacrifices him, he calls on the DNA of Minato. Oddly enough Minato doesn't come back (Well because of the Shinigami Seal). Minato is then not revived.


    So, after that how it possible for the 3rd Coffin to be Minato if the ritual wouldn't work beforehand? See what I mean. Kabuto was lying.
    What Kabuto would have accomplished if he had lied? Nothing, he was telling about the secrets of Edo Tensei --> ''If the soul is sealed somewhere, the person cannot be brought back with Edo Tensei, that's why Orochimaru failed to summon Yondaime against Third''.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    I know but it doesnt seem valid what Orochimaru is doing. Orochimaru is shown having the highest intel about nearly everyone, how could he be so ignorant to summon Minato knowing his sealing method?


    Sounds like someone who doesn't know the RDS here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    After you read this, it cannot be Minato:

    You know that to do Edo Tensei you need to perform a ritual beforehand right? You need a living vessel and the DNA of the person you wish to bring back. Now imagine this scenario:

    Orochimaru uses a living victim and sacrifices him, he calls on the DNA of Minato. Oddly enough Minato doesn't come back (Well because of the Shinigami Seal). Minato is then not revived.


    So, after that how it possible for the 3rd Coffin to be Minato if the ritual wouldn't work beforehand? See what I mean. Kabuto was lying.
    "calls on the DNA of Minato"? You don't "call on" the DNA, you take it from the corpse. That's why Kabuto talked about grave robbing when he showed off his army to Obito. Orochimaru found Minato's grave, took a DNA sample (Minato's body wasn't sealed in the Death God so there was a grave) and tried to Edo Tensei him but, poof, didn't work.


    The 3rd coffin was definately Minato. Look at this picture from the anime.



    The symbol on the middle coffin is FOUR in kanji, meaning it's the Fourth Hokage's coffin. Although Kishi isn't directly making the anime, you think he'd let an ENORMOUS mistake (if it was actually Madara) like that pass?
     
         

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