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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    I'm talking about Edo Tensei.
    Edo Tensei was a jutsu invented by Tobirama. Hiruzen's Sensei, obviously Hiruzen would have known how it works
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    Edo Tensei was a jutsu invented by Tobirama. Hiruzen's Sensei, obviously Hiruzen would have known how it works
    No it wouldn't be obvious, unless there was a page that showed Tobirama telling him everything about Edo Tensei. He would most likely know about the jutsu itself, but not everything about it.

    But the manga already stated that Orochimaru tried to revive Minato against Hiruzen...not anyone else.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    No it wouldn't be obvious, unless there was a page that showed Tobirama telling him everything about Edo Tensei. He would most likely know about the jutsu itself, but not everything about it.

    But the manga already stated that Orochimaru tried to revive Minato against Hiruzen...not anyone else.
    After you read this, it cannot be Minato:

    You know that to do Edo Tensei you need to perform a ritual beforehand right? You need a living vessel and the DNA of the person you wish to bring back. Now imagine this scenario:

    Orochimaru uses a living victim and sacrifices him, he calls on the DNA of Minato. Oddly enough Minato doesn't come back (Well because of the Shinigami Seal). Minato is then not revived.


    So, after that how it possible for the 3rd Coffin to be Minato if the ritual wouldn't work beforehand? See what I mean. Kabuto was lying.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Bro, Kishi would never have intended that, and he would never go with that either.

    Oro could just have tried summoning Madara again later then, and then find out what was wrong, and he surely would have. So it would have worked. Then why didn't he pull him out all those times, where he needed it?

    No way
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    After you read this, it cannot be Minato:

    You know that to do Edo Tensei you need to perform a ritual beforehand right? You need a living vessel and the DNA of the person you wish to bring back. Now imagine this scenario:

    Orochimaru uses a living victim and sacrifices him, he calls on the DNA of Minato. Oddly enough Minato doesn't come back (Well because of the Shinigami Seal). Minato is then not revived.


    So, after that how it possible for the 3rd Coffin to be Minato if the ritual wouldn't work beforehand? See what I mean. Kabuto was lying.
    Kabuto, who knows everything about Edo Tensei, said that Minato was the one Orochimaru tried to revive Minato, that is more reliable than what you are saying.

    And besides, why would Kabuto lie to Obito about failing to summon Minato.

    And Hiruzen has no way to stop the jutsu.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    Kabuto, who knows everything about Edo Tensei, said that Minato was the one Orochimaru tried to revive Minato, that is more reliable than what you are saying.

    And besides, why would Kabuto lie to Obito about failing to summon Minato.

    And Hiruzen has no way to stop the jutsu.
    The fact his sealed by the Shinigami Fuinjutsu makes it impossible to even see his body in a coffin.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    After you read this, it cannot be Minato:

    You know that to do Edo Tensei you need to perform a ritual beforehand right? You need a living vessel and the DNA of the person you wish to bring back. Now imagine this scenario:

    Orochimaru uses a living victim and sacrifices him, he calls on the DNA of Minato. Oddly enough Minato doesn't come back (Well because of the Shinigami Seal). Minato is then not revived.


    So, after that how it possible for the 3rd Coffin to be Minato if the ritual wouldn't work beforehand? See what I mean. Kabuto was lying.
    Sorry but I really just want to answer this since it is rather simple

    Kabuto re-developed edo tensei - meaning it doesn't have to be the exact same.... This happens ALL the time in Naruto, people change / develop jutsu. Naruto uses rasengan with 2 clones. Sasuke has tons of ways of using chidori. His susano is different from Itachis. Just like all the morons saying sasuke has tsukuyomi, cause it is said in the databook that it is needed. What if he made a new susano depending on only amaterasu? Sasukes skills with amaterasu are astonishing.


    This is the exact same case for Kabutos edo tensei contra Orochimarus. And since we never saw Oro use rituals. Oh wait a minute. He didn't, he first implanted the contracts AFTER he summoned them. So it is WAY different, since Kabuto had done it beforehand. Yup there is your answer. lol.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    The fact his sealed by the Shinigami Fuinjutsu makes it impossible to even see his body in a coffin.
    Read thegame's post above mine.

    Still, Kabuto knows everything about the jutsu and he said Orochimaru tried to revive Minato so he did...thats all there is to it.

    And you didn't answer my questions.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    After you read this, it cannot be Minato:

    You know that to do Edo Tensei you need to perform a ritual beforehand right? You need a living vessel and the DNA of the person you wish to bring back. Now imagine this scenario:

    Orochimaru uses a living victim and sacrifices him, he calls on the DNA of Minato. Oddly enough Minato doesn't come back (Well because of the Shinigami Seal). Minato is then not revived.


    So, after that how it possible for the 3rd Coffin to be Minato if the ritual wouldn't work beforehand? See what I mean. Kabuto was lying.
    What Kabuto would have accomplished if he had lied? Nothing, he was telling about the secrets of Edo Tensei --> ''If the soul is sealed somewhere, the person cannot be brought back with Edo Tensei, that's why Orochimaru failed to summon Yondaime against Third''.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    I know but it doesnt seem valid what Orochimaru is doing. Orochimaru is shown having the highest intel about nearly everyone, how could he be so ignorant to summon Minato knowing his sealing method?


    Sounds like someone who doesn't know the RDS here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    After you read this, it cannot be Minato:

    You know that to do Edo Tensei you need to perform a ritual beforehand right? You need a living vessel and the DNA of the person you wish to bring back. Now imagine this scenario:

    Orochimaru uses a living victim and sacrifices him, he calls on the DNA of Minato. Oddly enough Minato doesn't come back (Well because of the Shinigami Seal). Minato is then not revived.


    So, after that how it possible for the 3rd Coffin to be Minato if the ritual wouldn't work beforehand? See what I mean. Kabuto was lying.
    "calls on the DNA of Minato"? You don't "call on" the DNA, you take it from the corpse. That's why Kabuto talked about grave robbing when he showed off his army to Obito. Orochimaru found Minato's grave, took a DNA sample (Minato's body wasn't sealed in the Death God so there was a grave) and tried to Edo Tensei him but, poof, didn't work.


    The 3rd coffin was definately Minato. Look at this picture from the anime.



    The symbol on the middle coffin is FOUR in kanji, meaning it's the Fourth Hokage's coffin. Although Kishi isn't directly making the anime, you think he'd let an ENORMOUS mistake (if it was actually Madara) like that pass?
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by natssuu View Post
    What Kabuto would have accomplished if he had lied? Nothing, he was telling about the secrets of Edo Tensei --> ''If the soul is sealed somewhere, the person cannot be brought back with Edo Tensei, that's why Orochimaru failed to summon Yondaime against Third''.
    If he told the truth, like if Orochimaru tried summoning Uchiha Madara, Obito would have act to that. Since he suspected Orochimaru knew all the things he was up to. Btw its out of character for serpent like people to tell the truth, its like seeing Sasuke making jokes with Suigetsu.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    If he told the truth, like if Orochimaru tried summoning Uchiha Madara, Obito would have act to that. Since he suspected Orochimaru knew all the things he was up to. Btw its out of character for serpent like people to tell the truth, its like seeing Sasuke making jokes with Suigetsu.
    Obito already knew Kabuto had revived Madara before learning that Orochimaru couldn't revive Minato so him wanting to act on that is pointless.

    And Obito already knows Orochimaru knew more than he would have liked him to know.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by FXW View Post


    Sounds like someone who doesn't know the RDS here.



    "calls on the DNA of Minato"? You don't "call on" the DNA, you take it from the corpse. That's why Kabuto talked about grave robbing when he showed off his army to Obito. Orochimaru found Minato's grave, took a DNA sample (Minato's body wasn't sealed in the Death God so there was a grave) and tried to Edo Tensei him but, poof, didn't work.


    The 3rd coffin was definately Minato. Look at this picture from the anime.



    The symbol on the middle coffin is FOUR in kanji, meaning it's the Fourth Hokage's coffin. Although Kishi isn't directly making the anime, you think he'd let an ENORMOUS mistake (if it was actually Madara) like that pass?
    It CANNOT be Minato, since his soul is with Shinigami, how is it possible to do the ritual then? Orochimaru didn't perform the ritual whilst summoning the Hokage's. Why is it so hard to understand?
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    it's whatever mehn.. not interested in that
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    It CANNOT be Minato, since his soul is with Shinigami, how is it possible to do the ritual then? Orochimaru didn't perform the ritual whilst summoning the Hokage's. Why is it so hard to understand?
    You mean the ritual that was shown years after the Orochimaru summoning scene? Kishi probably didn't think about that.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by FXW View Post
    You mean the ritual that was shown years after the Orochimaru summoning scene? Kishi probably didn't think about that.
    I'm sure he did, and probably using this story which we are discussing to cover up that area. What villains say aren't always true, like how Obito calls himself Madara and everyone believed him.

    Kishimoto uses lies and reveals the truth to make the plot more cliffhanger-ish and intense.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    Yes thats the part where it gives me a cliffhanger. I think Orochimaru is using Madara as a distraction(Seeing how every Shinobi is there) to do something, probably something we don't know about yet.

    at your sig xD


    Dude I like your theory.

    But if this is true, that means that Kabuto has been working with Orochimaru all along. BUTTTTT
    As Orochimaru said, Kabuto never tried to resurrect him, Sasuske did. I dont think they (oro and kabuto) were working together after Oro died, b/c Kabuto was celebrating finally becoming "stronger" than Orochimaru, and never revived him. If Sasuke could do this, so could Orochimaru


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    According to this jutsu, the thread assumption is wrong.

    When Edo Tensei is performed, the "soul" from the Dead is brought back to life immediately during the ritual. If this was Minato, when Orochimaru did the ritual for the Kages (Orochimaru obviously did the ritual before attacking Konoha) when he used Minato's blood he would have known right then and there during the ritual that he could NOT get his body.

    Remember the ritual that Kabuto showed "Tobi"? This proves you have to do that process first BEFORE you are able to summon that Edo. And during the ritual is when the edo is summoned for the 1st time, along with the sacrifice that is given.

    If you think that rooftop was the 1st time Orochimaru summoned the Kage, you are wrong. He had to have done this during the ritual to get the Soul to begin with. So no it was never Minato. They obviously had Madara's body, it was Madara dude.
     
         
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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatolium View Post
    It CANNOT be Minato, since his soul is with Shinigami, how is it possible to do the ritual then? Orochimaru didn't perform the ritual whilst summoning the Hokage's. Why is it so hard to understand?
    As I just answered this. Oros edo tensei is different from Kabutos....

    And Oro also needed to insert the "command" seals after summoning, so he hadn't summoned before, he simply prepared the sealing contract with a dead person, who had Minatos DNA on him
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    the fact that they even found madaras body is amazing to me.....
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    after reading the comments i have come to a conclusion
    the creator of this threat is clearly undenial and wants to stick with his theory, he has no facts to back his theory up all his saying is "what if kabuto was lying." he just comes up with the most random and most unlikely opinions to try to back up his theory.
    most of the people who have commented have brought many facts of how kabuto even said that it was the forth on the coffin, they even showed us manga scan.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Manga>Your theory disproved by the manga. Common sense bro come on.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    OP knows he's wrong lol. If the coffin has 4 on the front, it would be the fourth.

    He's repeatedly ignored this point
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    Fail thread. It was minato.
    Manga>your baseless assumptions.
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    you all are wrong, it was krillin
     
         

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    Re: The 3rd Coffin is Madara.

    oh FFS..... Madara gained a portion of hahsiramas DNA during their FIGHT............................................. .... orochimaru, wasn't even known at that point.... jesus... please read the manga before coming out with ridiculous statements..
     
         

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