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    Re: Madara does not have amaterasu!!!

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    Madara put his will into black zetsu. It has nothing to do with knowledge, and we have no information if he gave it any knowledge at all.
    Well, if that were true, how would he be able to make any decisions? What then, would be the reason to make such a creature? The reason to make black zetsu was to guide Obito, and make sure that Madara would be revived, and the plan put into action. If you put someones Will into something, without any knowledge, then its right to govern is null. It cannot make good decisions. It cannot properly guide Obito to do what Madara wants.

    Its like putting a child on the throne. He may know what he wants, but he cannot connect what he wants with reality. You need Knowledge to to that.

    Plus, If No knowledge was put into black zetsu, then he would have never heard of Amaretsu in the first place.
     
         
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    Re: Madara does not have amaterasu!!!

    Nope he dont invalid
     
         

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    Re: Madara does not have amaterasu!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikud0 Sennin View Post
    Well, if that were true, how would he be able to make any decisions? What then, would be the reason to make such a creature? The reason to make black zetsu was to guide Obito, and make sure that Madara would be revived, and the plan put into action. If you put someones Will into something, without any knowledge, then its right to govern is null. It cannot make good decisions. It cannot properly guide Obito to do what Madara wants.

    Its like putting a child on the throne. He may know what he wants, but he cannot connect what he wants with reality. You need Knowledge to to that.

    Plus, If No knowledge was put into black zetsu, then he would have never heard of Amaretsu in the first place.
    Black Zetsu had knowledge bro, I meant we don't know how much knowledge. Why would Madara give some useless clone knowledge about his own jutsu? If it was captured anyone could find out. Pain could find out too if he wanted to. Nagato proved to be a genius at entering someones mind. If obito betrayed him, he would know all about him. Madara would have no reason at all to give some clone with his will those sort of information.

    It's as you said. He gave it knowledge that would be needed to guide him. So zetsu could tell obito who Pain was, for instance. But the knowledge it was given, was most likely minimal. All it needed to know, was Madaras plan in order to turn Madaras will into reality.

    And he would know about amaterasu, because Itachi has used it before, so he could have heard of it, when he was recruited..
     
         

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    Re: Madara does not have amaterasu!!!

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    Black Zetsu had knowledge bro, I meant we don't know how much knowledge. Why would Madara give some useless clone knowledge about his own jutsu? If it was captured anyone could find out. Pain could find out too if he wanted to. Nagato proved to be a genius at entering someones mind. If obito betrayed him, he would know all about him. Madara would have no reason at all to give some clone with his will those sort of information.

    It's as you said. He gave it knowledge that would be needed to guide him. So zetsu could tell obito who Pain was, for instance. But the knowledge it was given, was most likely minimal. All it needed to know, was Madaras plan in order to turn Madaras will into reality.

    And he would know about amaterasu, because Itachi has used it before, so he could have heard of it, when he was recruited..
    Then another question arises. Why is Black zetsu the one saying "or so ive heard" when white zetsu, was right there with him. They both were in akatsuki together.

    And zetsu, is not "some useless clone". He does not simply get caught. He can phase into the earth, and travel almost as fast as obito, which is instantaneous.
     
         

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    Re: Madara does not have amaterasu!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikud0 Sennin View Post
    Then another question arises. Why is Black zetsu the one saying "or so ive heard" when white zetsu, was right there with him. They both were in akatsuki together.

    And zetsu, is not "some useless clone". He does not simply get caught. He can phase into the earth, and travel almost as fast as obito, which is instantaneous.
    Yeah, but compared to the type of information you believe he was give, then he is way to useless to get that sort of knowledge, it's not within his need, in order to do what Madaras "will" is. I think I answered what black zetsu said, but don't put so much importance to everything a side character says. It may mean nothing but mere "conversation".

    This is not a debate about, whether I believe Madara has amaterasu. I don't think he has, since he would probably have used it. It is weird that he didn't, since there was plenty of possibilities. It's a debate, whether zetsu had any knowledge of it, and I see no reason for Madara to give him that knowledge. In fact it would be of too great risk simply. But we will probably find out any time.
     
         

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    Re: Madara does not have amaterasu!!!

    idk if i'm right on this, but didn't sasuke and itachi use tsukuyomi on each other when fighting kabumaru? people keep saying sasuke doesn't have tsukuyomi.
     
         

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    Re: Madara does not have amaterasu!!!



    He obviously has it. Just because he didn't feel the need to use it doesn't mean he doesn't have it.
     
         

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    Re: Madara does not have amaterasu!!!

    Kishimoto disagrees with you on that one.
     
         

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    Re: Madara does not have amaterasu!!!

    He might not be a supper master of Amaterasu but he has Susano'O so he surely has unlocked it. Unless Itachi doesn't know wtf he is talking about...
     
         

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    Re: Madara does not have amaterasu!!!

    I believe Kishimoto chose not to show Madara using the mentioned tech beacause of his urgence to amplify the variety ratio of sharingan users through the character played by Madara, as in something new from d old skool..
     
         

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