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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

    What is the point of this thread? Who cares if people babble on about PnJ.
     
         

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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

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    What is the point of this thread? Who cares if people babble on about PnJ.
    I comp that --^
     
         

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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

    Just expect to hear plot no jutsu from children but its hard to get upset. They are just so darn cute.
     
         

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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

    so ur saying nagato reading a book and becoming good is not plot no jutsu
     
         

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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

    lol people take this shitty manga to serious
     
         

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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

    PnJ does exist but people use it as crutch when they character lose. Take this war for example. It's a pointless war since they could summon the 10 tails with the beast they already had. So honestly obito could have started infinite tsyukomi before the naruto pain fight.
     
         

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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

    LOL PnJ is just an excuse for those who were unsatisfied with the plot
     
         

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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

    the ONLY thing I can say that is Plot no Jutsu was when Kimmimaru died. he was ready to wreck Gaara and was about to when he died of illness... and I dont even like kimmi, thats just my opinion... everything else was just plot people who are over powered by people who readers dont think should win are just plot... not plot no jutsu...
     
         

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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

    Quote Originally Posted by oooog View Post
    the ONLY thing I can say that is Plot no Jutsu was when Kimmimaru died. he was ready to wreck Gaara and was about to when he died of illness... and I dont even like kimmi, thats just my opinion... everything else was just plot people who are over powered by people who readers dont think should win are just plot... not plot no jutsu...
    I disagree cuz remember gaara didn't use shikaku chakra during that fight. If he would have I think gaara still would have won. But if he was stuck on not using it then yea kimimaro would probably have won.
     
         

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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

    Great thread! 100% true. Some people just can't see the fact the manga isn't going they want it, if they don't like it piss off. Sasuke sucks, Madara sucks lmao Jk fanboys I'm sorry xD
     
         

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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

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    Bromance right here, shit yeah this thread had moved people.
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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

    Kishimoto wrote Naruto with the plans of Sasuke, and Naruto becoming the most talented ninjas. So when people say that these two only won because of plot, that's bullsh!t. Kishimoto already knew how Naruto would end from the second the first chapter of Naruto was written. The stories called Naruto for a reason. Obviously he's going to become the strongest, and most likely surpass all. People use plot-no jutsu as an excuse when they can't agree with the outcome of a situation in the manga. The pure, and simple truth that the author displays is only what exists. So next time you can't agree with something that's happened remember your the one reading it, and Kishimoto's the one writing it, so deal with it.
     
         

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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

    I agree.. But I hate how Sasuke summoned the hawk in Danzo fight >_>
     
         

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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

    I love more the Talk-no-Jutsu, that Pnj is bullshi*, like you said xD
     
         

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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

    I was thinking about the Kabuto vs. Itachi and Sasuke fight these last few days, and I can't help but feel PnJ made quite the appearance on it.

    Kabuto and Orochimaru probably had made Uchihas their life-obsession... Hell, they probably jerked each other's rooster thinking of Uchihas. They drove their obsessions to such point they even conjectured the Sharingan-Rinnegan connection. They likely studied which underwear each Uchiha wore when they died.

    Kabuto should have known what Izanami was. So Itachi loudly announces he's to deploy Ground Hog no Jutsu on Kabuto, and rather than recall the summon, which I believe he could, or if not, simply get his ass out of there, he just herp derps around waiting for the anvil to drop on his head.

    Makes no sense, other than his ignorance serving to further the plot.

    As a plus... Orochimaru had access to Sasuke's body. Unrestricted access. Why not simply get his sperm and breed as many Uchihas as he wanted? Plus, he had access to an Uzumaki... Why not breed SOT6P's?? Makes no sense.

    Repeat after me: PnJ doesn't exist.
     
         

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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

    I wonder, would the mods approve a custom jutsu called plot no jutsu? Where the effect is just random shit happens?
     
         

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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

    explain hiruzen>1st 2nd and orochimaru.
     
         

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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

    Quote Originally Posted by sG Taka View Post
    Plot Protection or Plot-no-Jutsu (PnJ) does not exist in Narutoverse. Here are the main reasons as to why people claim Plot Protection or PnJ:
    • Their preferred character losses or is losing a fight.
    • The story arc of the manga is not going how they want it.
    • They can’t comprehend the totality of the whole plot.
    • They don’t account for character personalities and traits that do have an effect on the plot.


    To give out evidence, here are some of the most recent PnJ claims I’ve seen, disproved. I will also include an example of what a real PnJ is. Do not reply if you did not read as I will not answer.

    A Real Plot-no-Jutsu (non-existent):

    Naruto is fighting Pain and is about to die. Suddenly, Sasuke comes flying in and both saves Naruto and defeats Pain. He explains that he had encountered and defeated Itachi, and decided to come back to the village to see how things were going. Once he came back, he saw the situation and came to Naruto’s aid because he unprecedentedly changed his mind set and goals.

    Plot no Jutsus disproved:

    1.“OMG dude the Juubi could just wipe out everyone in the battlefield and then Madara and Obito could win! LOL Kishi is a stupid writer; plot hole and PnJ are so annoying!”

    • No, and the reason behind it is simple. Madara and Obito are alive and doing all that they have done to fulfill their only goal: Eye of the Moon Plan.
    • What is this? Also known as Infinite Tsukuyomi, the Eye of the Moon Plan is a very powerful genjutsu that can only be cast by the one who controls the Juubi. Its purpose is to entrap every living person in an illusion in order to make the world a better place by preventing war and hatred.
    • If they wipe out the whole Shinobi Alliance –taking note that already countless men and women have died as part of the war- the only people left would be elderly men, a few reconnaissance shinobi like Shikaku and Inoichi, and the children. Not worth the whole Eye of the Moon Plan, right? Exactly. Moving on.



    2.“PnJ is so annoying! UGH KISHI WTF!?? Madara could just annihilate Naruto and the others so easily!”

    • No, and again, the reason behind it is simple. You have to take into account that Madara has the attention span and attitude of a spoiled 5-year-old brat. This is why he fooled around with the Kages for I don’t know how many chapters before finally beating them. He also wants to toy around with the Juubi’s powers.
    • He tried to kill Naruto, Bee, Kakashi and Guy with many TTBs and Countless TTB’s but failed to do so. If you don’t like it, that your problem. However, it is not a plot hole or plot protection. That’s one of Madara’s weaknesses, his personality.



    3.“Tobi could have simply kidnapped Naruto during the Uchiha Clan Massacre.”

    No. Here are the reasons why:

    • The UCM occurred shortly after Obito’s attack on Konoha with the Kyuubi. During this attack, he kidnapped Kushina and held baby Naruto hostage. He extracted the beast from Kushina and ordered it to attack Konoha. His plan ultimately failed because Minato defeated him and sealed the Nine-tails into Naruto. Obito retreated.
    • He re-appeared during the UCM; however, this time with Itachi. Itachi let him aid in his massacre if he accepted to leave Konoha and Sasuke alone, Obito agreed.
    • If Obito had tried to kidnap Sasuke, Itachi would have come after him. Something nobody wants. Secondly, if Itachi somehow failed, Hiruzen would have realized Naruto had been kidnapped and would have gone immediately just as Minato did. The reason being because the Jinchuuriki is a crucial aspect for the high-elite of any village. The common people might shun him away, but the higher-ups know that the Jinchuuriki is a powerful asset to the village’s protection and attack power during any attack or war.



    Characters make mistakes, they have personalities which guide their actions and the plot has a storyline more than just senseless VS battle –that, in many cases, could never be carried out coherently as we think they would. If you believe in PnJ, you simple do not understand the manga in its totality.






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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

    I agree
     
         

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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

    Lets face it. Plot No Jutsu ruined the Hyuuga clan.
     
         

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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

    I don't understand how people talk about plot in the storyline like its two different things. The plot IS the storyline! Geez some of you need to pick up a dictionary.

    Plot-Also called storyline. the plan, scheme, or main story of a literary or dramatic work, as a play, novel, or short story.

    If you don't like how the story goes dont read geeeeez
     
         

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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

    Ahaha I honestly thought I was one of the very few people emphasis on few lol that thought PNJ was bulshit. But now I see i'm not alone (:
     
         

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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

    Then explain the death of Tobirama Senju who had s/t and ET
     
         

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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

    this thread is full of people agreeing with you yet the majority of them use the very excuse you are arguing against. U.U
     
         

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    Re: Plot-no-Jutsu is Bullshit!

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    Then explain the death of Tobirama Senju who had s/t and ET
    No one really knows what went down at that time but my speculation is that S/T would've allowed him to escape but would've also allowed the ninja to continue pusuit of the others and also we don't know the extent of his S/T techs. Second to address edo tensei he would have to use dead bodies and getter DNA to use and with the fight at handprobably wouldn't of had time to do that and also it was said to be incomplete.
     
         

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