Hashirama Senju's death

[deyoers]

he died young. he died during the first war. tobirama was still young when he succeeded his brother. it was said in the data book that kakuzu was sent to kill hashi but kakuzu lost. the only reason why he said he fought hashi when he was surrounded by kakashi and the others from the leaf was just to let them know how old he is to give them the idea that he is somewhat imortal. not to say that he was able to kill hashi. madara had an access to hashi's dna during his fight with him. he never came back coz he already said to obito that the damage he took from hashi was so devastating that he could go outside anymore, and could only stay alive just because he was nurtured by the cells he took from hashi. madara couldnt have killed hashirama. the most logical way to picture how hashirama died is to consider how tobirama did. it was said that tobirama was in par with his bother hashi. hashi may only have been a little bit stronger than him. tobirama was killed by 20 skilled anbu level ninjas. this could have been the same how hashi was killed. hashirama could have taken them all one by one until they are all washed out. but he couldnt have taken them out all at once.

[deyoers]

This...is the most likely scenario. Off topic but, I'm disturbed by the thought I just had of how Madara got that dna, did he use a cotton swab on the inside of Hashi's mouth? Did he give Hashi a dirty mag and a plastic cup and ask for a sample? I'm confused lol

not to brag about anything but im a medical student. thare are many ways to collect dna. skin, hair, blood, saliva and many others contain a persons dna. and it wouldnt be diffucult to got some of those during a fight is it? a splat of blood, grab his hair, or even when he shouts, these things happen naturally when ur fighting someone. i dont see how diffucult it was for madara to get some samples.

[Scryed]

There's a certain pattern in which the Hokage's have died so far. That's by sacrificing their lives to save their comrades.

I believe that he probably gave his life in order to save his comrades too in which perhaps Tobirama was included in the people who he had to save and gave him the title of Hokage before he died.

Minato gave his life to save Konoha from the Kyuubi.

Tobirama gave his life to save his comrades (in which he gave Hiruzen the title of Hokage).

Hiruzen gave his life to save Konoha from Orochimaru and his Edo Hokages.


Hashirama might've given his life to save his comrades or buy them time to escape in the same way Tobirama died (while giving Tobirama the title of Hokage during that situation). In my opinion, it would be a great way for him to have died. While his younger brother went through the same situation.





Though it's entirely possible his ramen was poisoned. It would be terrifying if we get to see a flashback and somehow, the ramen guy was actually there looking exactly the same as he does now.

[Niwdog]

My theory: Hashirama died from using a move that would clear the whole battlefield or kill everyone on it, but only Hashirama and a bunch of enemies was on that battlefield, so the only good/Konoha person Hashirama would be killing was himself and he would eliminate all the bad guys, and it just so turned out that eliminating the enemies on that battlefield would actually win the war, which was why Hashirama did it. Then after, Tobirama decided to develop Edo Tensei so that such a move could be done to clear the battlefield and kill everyone on it, but still preserve the shinobi from Konoha's side because they were Edo's. This would be consistent with Madara's claim that Edo Tensei was developed to clear the battlefield without eliminating allies.

What is more likely: Hashirama's self-healing jutsus had the sort of side-effects Tsunade's had, where when overused it would deplete his life-span and eventually kill him. Hashirama probably over-used it during all those constant Senju/Uchiha Clan clashes, and probably the most during his fight with Madara bringing it almost to its' limit, then during the 1st Shinobi World War, Hashirama probably died from using it because going into the war, there was only a few more times he could use the self-healing jutsu, and he exhausted them during the war.

[The Duke]

woooo i miss that... but his a good medical nin he can counter :P

How could he counter being pison if you dont know you are??

[Aman123]

Zetsu was created from 1st's clone right?
then by the time madara used clone to make zetsu, implies hashi was still alive (because otherwise clone would also be gone).
i think it was not Madara who killed him.

[PrimeOfTheSixPaths]

I don't think he's dead. I think the So6P or someone took him to a sacred place, which is where oro is bringing sasuke. Hashi has been watching everything, knowing madara wasn't dead. He gave title of kage to his bro and faked his death.

That would all be awesome if he wasn't brought back in edo by oro, killing my entire theory. ._.

He got killed by Plot no Jutsu.

[★King V]

I wonder if Kishi could have peered into the future and see these discussions if he would have established Hashi a little better when Oro revived him. I think if he had planned on making Hashi such a god-like figure in part 2 he would have made some changes to that scenario

[enthaim]

Kakuzu ripped his heart out to make the fifth heart, remember?

[Madarauchiwa]

says in the manga he died in one of the wars happening during his time. in other words he was just killed off by some random ninja

[lukage]

Maybe he had a disease like kimimaro / itachi.

[u wanna die]

This...is the most likely scenario. Off topic but, I'm disturbed by the thought I just had of how Madara got that dna, did he use a cotton swab on the inside of Hashi's mouth? Did he give Hashi a dirty mag and a plastic cup and ask for a sample? I'm confused lol

hahaha... LMAO

[u wanna die]

he died young. he died during the first war. tobirama was still young when he succeeded his brother. it was said in the data book that kakuzu was sent to kill hashi but kakuzu lost. the only reason why he said he fought hashi when he was surrounded by kakashi and the others from the leaf was just to let them know how old he is to give them the idea that he is somewhat imortal. not to say that he was able to kill hashi. madara had an access to hashi's dna during his fight with him. he never came back coz he already said to obito that the damage he took from hashi was so devastating that he could go outside anymore, and could only stay alive just because he was nurtured by the cells he took from hashi. madara couldnt have killed hashirama. the most logical way to picture how hashirama died is to consider how tobirama did. it was said that tobirama was in par with his bother hashi. hashi may only have been a little bit stronger than him. tobirama was killed by 20 skilled anbu level ninjas. this could have been the same how hashi was killed. hashirama could have taken them all one by one until they are all washed out. but he couldnt have taken them out all at once.

yes good idea bro

not to brag about anything but im a medical student. thare are many ways to collect dna. skin, hair, blood, saliva and many others contain a persons dna. and it wouldnt be diffucult to got some of those during a fight is it? a splat of blood, grab his hair, or even when he shouts, these things happen naturally when ur fighting someone. i dont see how diffucult it was for madara to get some samples.

haha... your theory was confirim

There's a certain pattern in which the Hokage's have died so far. That's by sacrificing their lives to save their comrades.

I believe that he probably gave his life in order to save his comrades too in which perhaps Tobirama was included in the people who he had to save and gave him the title of Hokage before he died.

Minato gave his life to save Konoha from the Kyuubi.

Tobirama gave his life to save his comrades (in which he gave Hiruzen the title of Hokage).

Hiruzen gave his life to save Konoha from Orochimaru and his Edo Hokages.


Hashirama might've given his life to save his comrades or buy them time to escape in the same way Tobirama died (while giving Tobirama the title of Hokage during that situation). In my opinion, it would be a great way for him to have died. While his younger brother went through the same situation.





Though it's entirely possible his ramen was poisoned. It would be terrifying if we get to see a flashback and somehow, the ramen guy was actually there looking exactly the same as he does now.

a good way to die isnt? for a hokage

[u wanna die]

Not true. He took a mission to assassinate Hashirama, yes, but he failed to do so because Hashi's Mokuton was too strong.

yes ... kakuzu confirm it him self he only fight hashi didnt kill him

says in the manga he died in one of the wars happening during his time. in other words he was just killed off by some random ninja

most unlikely to happen

Maybe he had a disease like kimimaro / itachi.

why not... this could happen

[u wanna die]

How could he counter being pison if you dont know you are??

a medical nin will know off course

Zetsu was created from 1st's clone right?
then by the time madara used clone to make zetsu, implies hashi was still alive (because otherwise clone would also be gone).
i think it was not Madara who killed him.

it was not.. but after that for sure

I don't think he's dead. I think the So6P or someone took him to a sacred place, which is where oro is bringing sasuke. Hashi has been watching everything, knowing madara wasn't dead. He gave title of kage to his bro and faked his death.

That would all be awesome if he wasn't brought back in edo by oro, killing my entire theory. ._.

He got killed by Plot no Jutsu.

hahah

[DonS]

I think Madara killed him or.....obito ? xD obito owns the 1st, i hope he did fight him.

Yes obito who wasnt born yet killed him from his mothers ovaries

[a banned cartoon]

Good thread.

[u wanna die]

Yes obito who wasnt born yet killed him from his mothers ovaries

not else to say?

Good thread.

thanks

[Dormammu]

I personally think Madara killed him possibly by poisoning him or he indirectly killed him by the injuries he sustained during their fight.

[-Logic-]

My best bet is that he'll be killed off for cheesy reasons. Like how Itachi was killed off; Disease.

[Zombie Prime]

I support everything you said in this thread except the part where you said he had to of died young. I do t believe that to be entirely true. Take for instance Madara. He died at an old age. Kabuto and done modifications to put him young and back in his prime. I'm not saying your wrong but there is a possibility he did die old, and possibly orochimaru did modifications to the 1stand 2nd hokage to put them in there prime. Or when he did die he was poisoned or even kidnapped by Madara and maybe Madara is the one who gave the shodai cells to orochimaru for him to conduct his expirements on Yamato and da so and etc.. Its just something I was thinking I'm not saying its right or wrong only possible

[Scrafty]

The First and Second Hokages were Hokages at about the same time probably?
Because they were both Hokage and then the 3rd was just a kid and then the 3rd was named Hokage. :l

[u wanna die]

I personally think Madara killed him possibly by poisoning him or he indirectly killed him by the injuries he sustained during their fight.

yes very logical

My best bet is that he'll be killed off for cheesy reasons. Like how Itachi was killed off; Disease.

haha many believe that too... haha kishi is cheesy ah :D

The First and Second Hokages were Hokages at about the same time probably?
Because they were both Hokage and then the 3rd was just a kid and then the 3rd was named Hokage. :l

maybe

I support everything you said in this thread except the part where you said he had to of died young. I do t believe that to be entirely true. Take for instance Madara. He died at an old age. Kabuto and done modifications to put him young and back in his prime. I'm not saying your wrong but there is a possibility he did die old, and possibly orochimaru did modifications to the 1stand 2nd hokage to put them in there prime. Or when he did die he was poisoned or even kidnapped by Madara and maybe Madara is the one who gave the shodai cells to orochimaru for him to conduct his expirements on Yamato and da so and etc.. Its just something I was thinking I'm not saying its right or wrong only possible

yes.. but OROCHIMARU EDO WAS THE SAME US KABUTO.. kabutos edo is more advance.. so we assume that ORO edo was the same age that hashirama time of death

[GEIxBattleRifle]

Hashirama killed himself for the sake of the plot, with the help of Kishi's pen.

[u wanna die]

Hashirama killed himself for the sake of the plot, with the help of Kishi's pen.

huh? ok :P