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    Re: Hashirama Senju's death

    I don't see it being the missing nin option. If Kinkaku and Ginkaku didn't manage to kill Tobirama, then I don't see them killing Hashirama, but I'll pull my last statement apart by saying adding that Tobirama was with the Second Raikage at the time. I wouldn't say it was Kakuzu since, although he's smart, he misses vital things, like the plan he and Hidan were easily drawn into. Besides, we've never see him with enviromental adaption capabilities like handling Hashirama's ability to constantly change his environment.

    But I 100% agree with everything else.
     
         
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    Re: Hashirama Senju's death

    Maybe by the rinnegan. Madara developed it after he had taken his dna. He was believed dead but came back an finished him during the first war?
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama Senju's death

    Maybe he died from exhaustion like the third raikage
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama Senju's death

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirikoe View Post
    m my guess would be that he died via a virus of some sort, or as u stated he might have died using the same jutsu tsunade uses.. the regeneration tech he uses make his cells duplicate faster thus healing faster... however u only have a limited cells and using this tech would shorten ur life span .. so its very possible that the 1st died by over use of this technique maybe in the battle against madara.. and by the end of the battle he might have used the technique so much that after the battle he only had a month or so to live maybe more .. i think this is the most likely way he wouldve died and would also explain y he died at a young age
    This...is the most likely scenario. Off topic but, I'm disturbed by the thought I just had of how Madara got that dna, did he use a cotton swab on the inside of Hashi's mouth? Did he give Hashi a dirty mag and a plastic cup and ask for a sample? I'm confused lol
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama Senju's death

    Madara knew that after the fight between him and hashirama that hashirama would celebrate by going to ichiraku's for some delicious ramen and so he used a genjutsu on mr ramen guy to poison hashiramas ramen.
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama Senju's death

    he died young. he died during the first war. tobirama was still young when he succeeded his brother. it was said in the data book that kakuzu was sent to kill hashi but kakuzu lost. the only reason why he said he fought hashi when he was surrounded by kakashi and the others from the leaf was just to let them know how old he is to give them the idea that he is somewhat imortal. not to say that he was able to kill hashi. madara had an access to hashi's dna during his fight with him. he never came back coz he already said to obito that the damage he took from hashi was so devastating that he could go outside anymore, and could only stay alive just because he was nurtured by the cells he took from hashi. madara couldnt have killed hashirama. the most logical way to picture how hashirama died is to consider how tobirama did. it was said that tobirama was in par with his bother hashi. hashi may only have been a little bit stronger than him. tobirama was killed by 20 skilled anbu level ninjas. this could have been the same how hashi was killed. hashirama could have taken them all one by one until they are all washed out. but he couldnt have taken them out all at once.
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama Senju's death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ranificent View Post
    This...is the most likely scenario. Off topic but, I'm disturbed by the thought I just had of how Madara got that dna, did he use a cotton swab on the inside of Hashi's mouth? Did he give Hashi a dirty mag and a plastic cup and ask for a sample? I'm confused lol
    not to brag about anything but im a medical student. thare are many ways to collect dna. skin, hair, blood, saliva and many others contain a persons dna. and it wouldnt be diffucult to got some of those during a fight is it? a splat of blood, grab his hair, or even when he shouts, these things happen naturally when ur fighting someone. i dont see how diffucult it was for madara to get some samples.
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama Senju's death

    There's a certain pattern in which the Hokage's have died so far. That's by sacrificing their lives to save their comrades.

    I believe that he probably gave his life in order to save his comrades too in which perhaps Tobirama was included in the people who he had to save and gave him the title of Hokage before he died.

    Minato gave his life to save Konoha from the Kyuubi.

    Tobirama gave his life to save his comrades (in which he gave Hiruzen the title of Hokage).

    Hiruzen gave his life to save Konoha from Orochimaru and his Edo Hokages.


    Hashirama might've given his life to save his comrades or buy them time to escape in the same way Tobirama died (while giving Tobirama the title of Hokage during that situation). In my opinion, it would be a great way for him to have died. While his younger brother went through the same situation.





    Though it's entirely possible his ramen was poisoned. It would be terrifying if we get to see a flashback and somehow, the ramen guy was actually there looking exactly the same as he does now.
     
         
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    Re: Hashirama Senju's death

    My theory: Hashirama died from using a move that would clear the whole battlefield or kill everyone on it, but only Hashirama and a bunch of enemies was on that battlefield, so the only good/Konoha person Hashirama would be killing was himself and he would eliminate all the bad guys, and it just so turned out that eliminating the enemies on that battlefield would actually win the war, which was why Hashirama did it. Then after, Tobirama decided to develop Edo Tensei so that such a move could be done to clear the battlefield and kill everyone on it, but still preserve the shinobi from Konoha's side because they were Edo's. This would be consistent with Madara's claim that Edo Tensei was developed to clear the battlefield without eliminating allies.

    What is more likely: Hashirama's self-healing jutsus had the sort of side-effects Tsunade's had, where when overused it would deplete his life-span and eventually kill him. Hashirama probably over-used it during all those constant Senju/Uchiha Clan clashes, and probably the most during his fight with Madara bringing it almost to its' limit, then during the 1st Shinobi World War, Hashirama probably died from using it because going into the war, there was only a few more times he could use the self-healing jutsu, and he exhausted them during the war.
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama Senju's death

    Quote Originally Posted by u wanna die View Post
    woooo i miss that... but his a good medical nin he can counter :P
    How could he counter being pison if you dont know you are??
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama Senju's death

    Zetsu was created from 1st's clone right?
    then by the time madara used clone to make zetsu, implies hashi was still alive (because otherwise clone would also be gone).
    i think it was not Madara who killed him.
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama Senju's death

    I don't think he's dead. I think the So6P or someone took him to a sacred place, which is where oro is bringing sasuke. Hashi has been watching everything, knowing madara wasn't dead. He gave title of kage to his bro and faked his death.

    That would all be awesome if he wasn't brought back in edo by oro, killing my entire theory. ._.

    He got killed by Plot no Jutsu.
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama Senju's death

    I wonder if Kishi could have peered into the future and see these discussions if he would have established Hashi a little better when Oro revived him. I think if he had planned on making Hashi such a god-like figure in part 2 he would have made some changes to that scenario
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama Senju's death

    Kakuzu ripped his heart out to make the fifth heart, remember?
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama Senju's death

    says in the manga he died in one of the wars happening during his time. in other words he was just killed off by some random ninja
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama Senju's death

    Maybe he had a disease like kimimaro / itachi.
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama Senju's death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ranificent View Post
    This...is the most likely scenario. Off topic but, I'm disturbed by the thought I just had of how Madara got that dna, did he use a cotton swab on the inside of Hashi's mouth? Did he give Hashi a dirty mag and a plastic cup and ask for a sample? I'm confused lol
    hahaha... LMAO
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama Senju's death

    Quote Originally Posted by deyoers View Post
    he died young. he died during the first war. tobirama was still young when he succeeded his brother. it was said in the data book that kakuzu was sent to kill hashi but kakuzu lost. the only reason why he said he fought hashi when he was surrounded by kakashi and the others from the leaf was just to let them know how old he is to give them the idea that he is somewhat imortal. not to say that he was able to kill hashi. madara had an access to hashi's dna during his fight with him. he never came back coz he already said to obito that the damage he took from hashi was so devastating that he could go outside anymore, and could only stay alive just because he was nurtured by the cells he took from hashi. madara couldnt have killed hashirama. the most logical way to picture how hashirama died is to consider how tobirama did. it was said that tobirama was in par with his bother hashi. hashi may only have been a little bit stronger than him. tobirama was killed by 20 skilled anbu level ninjas. this could have been the same how hashi was killed. hashirama could have taken them all one by one until they are all washed out. but he couldnt have taken them out all at once.

    yes good idea bro

    Quote Originally Posted by deyoers View Post
    not to brag about anything but im a medical student. thare are many ways to collect dna. skin, hair, blood, saliva and many others contain a persons dna. and it wouldnt be diffucult to got some of those during a fight is it? a splat of blood, grab his hair, or even when he shouts, these things happen naturally when ur fighting someone. i dont see how diffucult it was for madara to get some samples.
    haha... your theory was confirim

    Quote Originally Posted by Scryed View Post
    There's a certain pattern in which the Hokage's have died so far. That's by sacrificing their lives to save their comrades.

    I believe that he probably gave his life in order to save his comrades too in which perhaps Tobirama was included in the people who he had to save and gave him the title of Hokage before he died.

    Minato gave his life to save Konoha from the Kyuubi.

    Tobirama gave his life to save his comrades (in which he gave Hiruzen the title of Hokage).

    Hiruzen gave his life to save Konoha from Orochimaru and his Edo Hokages.


    Hashirama might've given his life to save his comrades or buy them time to escape in the same way Tobirama died (while giving Tobirama the title of Hokage during that situation). In my opinion, it would be a great way for him to have died. While his younger brother went through the same situation.





    Though it's entirely possible his ramen was poisoned. It would be terrifying if we get to see a flashback and somehow, the ramen guy was actually there looking exactly the same as he does now.
    a good way to die isnt? for a hokage
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama Senju's death

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson Trickster View Post
    Not true. He took a mission to assassinate Hashirama, yes, but he failed to do so because Hashi's Mokuton was too strong.
    yes ... kakuzu confirm it him self he only fight hashi didnt kill him

    Quote Originally Posted by Madarauchiwa View Post
    says in the manga he died in one of the wars happening during his time. in other words he was just killed off by some random ninja
    most unlikely to happen

    Quote Originally Posted by lukage View Post
    Maybe he had a disease like kimimaro / itachi.
    why not... this could happen
     
         

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    Re: Hashirama Senju's death

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    How could he counter being pison if you dont know you are??
    a medical nin will know off course

    Quote Originally Posted by Aman123 View Post
    Zetsu was created from 1st's clone right?
    then by the time madara used clone to make zetsu, implies hashi was still alive (because otherwise clone would also be gone).
    i think it was not Madara who killed him.
    it was not.. but after that for sure
    Quote Originally Posted by PrimeOfTheSixPaths View Post
    I don't think he's dead. I think the So6P or someone took him to a sacred place, which is where oro is bringing sasuke. Hashi has been watching everything, knowing madara wasn't dead. He gave title of kage to his bro and faked his death.

    That would all be awesome if he wasn't brought back in edo by oro, killing my entire theory. ._.

    He got killed by Plot no Jutsu.
    hahah
     
         

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