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  • Itachi

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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    Quote Originally Posted by shelke View Post
    One additional point. His Kamui is there because Obito has it, as both eyes act as pairs. One locked it when he was only 14 and the only unlocked it around 27. Impressive indeed.
    the way you irritate yourself just because someone post a post concerning Kakashi that you don't like makes me laugh. If you try to argue calmly without trying everytime to bash the character Kakashi because he is non-Uchiha possessing your beloved Sharingan, you will notice something. Well at least he unlocked something that majority of Uchihas could not even dream to unlock in their entire life. Like it or not, but mangafact says that Kakashi masters Sharingan better than your beloved Sasuke:
     
         
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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    ^ LMFAO You are going by Naruto's words over Itachi's? Give me a break. No one is losing calm. I don't fight over the internet, so don't make assumptions about me. Still nothing. Sharingen is a KG and the only one who by canon logic can harness the power is the one born with that blood. Keep telling yourself otherwise.

    P.s: I don't like Sasuke for his abilities. Seriously, it's that what you think? What a lark.
     
         

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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    Itachi, he put three Kage level ninja's in a Sharingan Genjutsu pretty easy, and could've kill them. Next Sasuke, then Kakashi.
     
         

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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    Quote Originally Posted by shelke View Post
    You know, IF you EVER took your stinky little Kakashi blinders off, you should/would/could notice something, that how Kakashi has the left MS eye and he can't use Amatersu, and Yet Obito used his tsukiyomi to control Yagura as this is associated with the right MS/EMS technique. LAUGHS/

    Nothing logical to say? http://www.mangapanda.com/93-147-13/...apter-142.html - Totally.

    Point that arrow at yourself, because ALL you do is make up stuff. Okay? Your Kakashi can't master sharingen, as it goes against what Kishimoto. Kishimoto > You. Stop quoting me, when you have nothing but fanboyish made up stuff to post.
    I don't what you're talking about here, but Obito doesn't have Tsukuyomi, and Tsukuyomi is not associated with the right MS/EMS technique, it is simply the MS technique that awoke in Sasuke and Itachi's eyes.

    And Itachi used Tskuyomi with his left eye, not his right.
     
         

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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    It's "Who's deadlier" not "Who's got the best 3T Sharingan powers"

    Sasuke probably has the best 3T Sharingan, but in terms of actual physical power and skill while using the eye I'd say current Kakashi.
    He only has one Sharingan and yet he's become a legend among shinobi with it, Copy Ninja Kakashi.

    Kakashi
    Itachi
    Sasuke

    I put Itachi 2nd because he fights with Genjutsu mainly, which isn't all that deadly if you're to not look at him and are strong you can beat him but Kakashi you have to fight against his 1000 jutsu which you're never going to know about.
     
         

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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    @Kidgamer Tsukiyomi is associated with right eye, and Amatersu with Left. Those intricacies of MS/EMS don't change. Double MS give Sussano: Sun (Amatersu) + Moon (Tsukiyomi): http://www.mangapanda.com/93-153-7/n...apter-148.html

    Sasuke also pointed this out in the double MS manner: http://www.mangareader.net/93-32546-...apter-464.html - Another sun and moon reference.

    Yagura was controlled by Obito, and the only power genjutsu the Uchihas have, is the MS genjustu Tsukiyomi. Do you think he controlled a perfect Jinchuriki with 3 T genjutsu? Doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
     
         

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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    In fights against non-Sharingan users, Itachi is by far the best due to his Genjutsu.

    In fights where 2 Sharingan users face off, I'd have to say Sasuke is the best as he was able to break Tsukuyomi with his 3 Tomoe.
     
         

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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    Quote Originally Posted by shelke View Post
    @Kidgamer Tsukiyomi is associated with right eye, and Amatersu with Left. Those intricacies of MS/EMS don't change. Double MS give Sussano: Sun (Amatersu) + Moon (Tsukiyomi): http://www.mangapanda.com/93-153-7/n...apter-148.html

    Sasuke also pointed this out in the double MS manner: http://www.mangareader.net/93-32546-...apter-464.html - Another sun and moon reference.

    Yagura was controlled by Obito, and the only power genjutsu the Uchihas have, is the MS genjustu Tsukiyomi. Do you think he controlled a perfect Jinchuriki with 3 T genjutsu? Doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
    You say they don't change, but Itachi's Tsukuyomi is cast with his Left eye, not his right.

    Shisui had Kotoamatsukami in both of his eyes and Obito had Kamui in both of his eyes, thats why when Danzo and Kakashi got Obito and Shisui's eye, they used those jutsu.

    And those links don't help show that every MS gets Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, even though Obito made it clear, that awakening Susanoo is a rarity, which would mean getting Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu are rare because if you have both of them you get Susanoo.

    As for Yagura, anything could have happened so using that isn't a good reference either.
     
         

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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    In fights against non-Sharingan users, Itachi is by far the best due to his Genjutsu.

    In fights where 2 Sharingan users face off, I'd have to say Sasuke is the best as he was able to break Tsukuyomi with his 3 Tomoe.
    Itachi let him break it....
     
         

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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi8179 View Post
    Itachi let him break it....
    Itachi didn't let him break it, he was most likely just holding back on the power of it...there is a difference.
     
         

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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    @kidgamer Any link to support the eye-difference?

    Also, how does Obito plan on casting an infinite-tsukuyomi, if he doesn't have finite tsukuyomi of his own? As his Ms eye technique will be reflected by the moon to make in infinite? Seems like pretty obvious reference to me.
     
         

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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    , that's why he has MS something that majority of true Uchiha could not even dream to possess. Stop bashing the character when you have nothing logical to say
    That's because most uchihas do not kill their girlfriend... Kakashi.
     
         

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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    Quote Originally Posted by shelke View Post
    @kidgamer Any link to support the eye-difference?

    Also, how does Obito plan on casting an infinite-tsukuyomi, if he doesn't have finite tsukuyomi of his own? As his Ms eye technique will be reflected by the moon to make in infinite? Seems like pretty obvious reference to me.
    Infinite Tsukuyomi hasn't been shown to need an MS, as Madara used a smaller scale version of it with his 3 Tomoe Sharingan in chapter 606. Obito isn't even planning to use it, Madara is as Madara is the one who can use Tsukuyomi.

    This is Itachi using Tsukuyomi during the Kabuto fight: http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/585/12
     
         

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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    Itachi let him break it....
    I seriously doubt that: http://www.mangapanda.com/93-147-15/...apter-142.html
     
         

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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    Sasuke. The others are more dependent on their OP abilities while Sasuke is just an exceptionally skillful ninja.
     
         

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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    Infinite Tsukuyomi hasn't been shown to need an MS, as Madara used a smaller scale version of it with his 3 Tomoe Sharingan in chapter 606. Obito isn't even planning to use it, Madara is as Madara is the one who can use Tsukuyomi.

    This is Itachi using Tsukuyomi during the Kabuto fight: http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/585/12
    It could be due to the inverted KG for both brothers then, as Sasuke can break out of his tsukiyomi. But that STILL doesn't retract from the moon and sun references. As one eye represents sun and the other moon. Madara has the same workings as well. And double MS unlock Sussano.

    What makes you think Tobi doesn't want to use it, when he didn't even want Madara to be a part of his plan? He didn't want to revive Madara, did he? Also, what would he reflect exactly: http://www.mangapanda.com/93-35269-1...apter-467.html . When Obito is saying his infinite moon-eye plan and moon-eye is already referred and confirmed as another term for Tuskuyomi? How will he cast an infinite version of Tsukuyomi if he doesn't have it himself? Doesn't make any sense to me.

    Also Yagura was put under a very powerful genjutsu and controlled over the years to do Tobi's bidding, which can't possibly be 3T genjutsu.
     
         

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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    Quote Originally Posted by shelke View Post
    It could be due to the inverted KG for both brothers then, as Sasuke can break out of his tsukiyomi. But that STILL doesn't retract from the moon and sun references. As one eye represents sun and the other moon. Madara has the same workings as well. And double MS unlock Sussano.

    What makes you think Tobi doesn't want to use it, when he didn't even want Madara to be a part of his plan? He didn't want to revive Madara, did he? Also, what would he reflect exactly: http://www.mangapanda.com/93-35269-1...apter-467.html . When Obito is saying his infinite moon-eye plan and moon-eye is already referred and confirmed as another term for Tuskuyomi? How will he cast an infinite version of Tsukuyomi if he doesn't have it himself? Doesn't make any sense to me.

    Also Yagura was put under a very powerful genjutsu and controlled over the years to do Tobi's bidding, which can't possibly be 3T genjutsu.
    The moon and sun references don't support anyone other then Sasuke/Itachi/Madara as they actually have those techniques and it represents how they use one of them in each eye, same as the Double MS thing, those who have 2 techs in their eyes get Susanoo, the only ones who display this are Madara/Sasuke/Itachi.

    And the databook says that Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are necessary for Susanoo.

    Madara used a smaller scale version of the Genjutsu and said that this is the Genjutsu he will use with the moon, but he needs to drag everyone else in it also (hence the point of using the moon) Madara did all of that with a 3-Tomoe spare Sharingan and he said when connected to the Mazo, he can make anything he wants in that world, as detailed as he wants.

    Again, we know nothing about Yagura's situation or the specifics on how he was controlled, anything could have happened then so referencing it isn't really that helpful.
     
         

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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    ^ I don't think so. Is there any manga reference to prove that this moon/sun reference is NOT for Obito as well, since all the known MS uchiha have a moon-eye for their powerful MS genjutsu? He's also an Uchiha, why doesn't it apply to him?

    Another reference to 'moon eye': http://www.mangapanda.com/93-458-17/...apter-453.html.

    He was just using an example to explain things to Tobi. That doesn't prove anything. The plan's name itself holds the explanation.

    I ask you again, why is the plan called infinite Tsukuyomi? When it could've been called infinite genjustu? You can believe whatever you want. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out as the manga called the MS genjutsu ( Tsukuyomi ) way back the moon, and the eye that uses it moon-eye, and genjutsu itself was termed Tsukiyomi. As the opposite is termed as the sun-eye for Amatersu.

    Anyways, you can hold on to your logic.
     
         

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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    Quote Originally Posted by shelke View Post
    ^ I don't think so. Is there any manga reference to prove that this moon/sun reference is NOT for Obito as well, since all the known MS uchiha have a moon-eye for their powerful MS genjutsu? He's also an Uchiha, why doesn't it apply to him?

    Another reference to 'moon eye': http://www.mangapanda.com/93-458-17/...apter-453.html.

    He was just using an example to explain things to Tobi. That doesn't prove anything. The plan's name itself holds the explanation.

    I ask you again, why is the plan called infinite Tsukuyomi? When it could've been called infinite genjustu? You can believe whatever you want. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out as the manga called the MS genjutsu ( Tsukuyomi ) way back the moon, and the eye that uses it moon-eye, and genjutsu itself was termed Tsukiyomi. As the opposite is termed as the sun-eye for Amatersu.

    Anyways, you can hold on to your logic.
    Using the Genjutsu's name as support for him having Tsukuyomi is pointless, as the one who named the plan (Madara) possessed Tsukuyomi so why would he call it "Infinite Genjutsu".

    As Tsukuyomi=Moon and Madara/Obito is casting his Sharingan on the moon, that is probably why it is called the Infinite Tsukuyomi.

    But, everyone has their own opinions...so you can believe what you want to believe.
     
         

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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    Your point makes no sense at all as far as the reference of genjutsu reflection goes. Really, it doesn't. Why did Obito want to sync Sasuke with the Mezo then, if he can use the three tomoe sharingen genjutsu himself, when his ultimate goal was to blind him by sending him to the Kage summit. He gave away his location through Zetsu, so that he would over-use his MS, which would ultimately make him resort to Itachi's eyes to gain the light?

    This would make him an EMS user? Now why would he go to these lengths to have an EMS user like Madara to case the genjutsu for the moon-eye plan? In the end, he decided not to go with Sasuke because of the fact that he was not in his control. Why did he go for Sasuke in the first place, if going by your logic, all he has to do is cast it with a 3 tomoe?
     
         

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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    Quote Originally Posted by shelke View Post
    Your point makes no sense at all as far as the reference of genjutsu reflection goes. Really, it doesn't. Why did Obito want to sync Sasuke with the Mezo then, if he can use the three tomoe sharingen genjutsu himself, when his ultimate goal was to blind him by sending him to the Kage summit. He gave away his location through Zetsu, so that he would over-use his MS, which would ultimately make him resort to Itachi's eyes to gain the light?

    This would make him an EMS user? Now why would he go to these lengths to have an EMS user like Madara to case the genjutsu for the moon-eye plan? In the end, he decided not to go with Sasuke because of the fact that he was not in his control. Why did he go for Sasuke in the first place, if going by your logic, all he has to do is cast it with a 3 tomoe?
    I dont know why he went after Sasuke in the first place since we he was about to complete the plan w/o Madara, but the same question also applies to you:

    Why would he go for Sasuke in the first place if he could already use Tsukuyomi by himself like you claim he can.

    This is from another fourm by another poseer:

    "So why do Madara and Tobi call it the Mugen Tsukuyomi? Because "Mugen Tsukuyomi" literally means "Infinite Moon Reader/Counter" or "Infinite(ly?) Looking at a Moonlit Night", since Tsukuyomi has two interpretations: "Moon (Tsuki) Reader/Counter (Yomu)" or "Moonlit Night (Tsukiyo) + Too Look At (Miru).

    I believe the Tsukuyomi in the Mugen Tsukuyomi is a Tsukuyomi in name only. The Jutsu literally requires one to look at the moon or to "read" the moon, hence its name, (Mugen) Tsukuyomi."

    I believe that "Infinite Tsukuyomi" is just a Genjutsu that is gained through the power of the Juubi, not a more powerful version of Tsukuyomi. (That's why we see in the depiction of how the Infinite Tsukuyomi will be, we see that the Juubi's eye is reflected off the moon).
     
         

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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    You have learned that Tsukiyomi can be cast on the whole naruto-verse by moon reflection. Now take this scenario into perspective; the user casting the genjutsu will run out of chakra fairly quickly - within a few minutes, I'm guessing - , BUT with the Juubi's chakra, they can maintain the genjutsu for its 'infinite' value.

    That question was aimed at you. As you believe that Obito can simply use the three tomoe sharingen genjutsu. Why did he want an EMS user? When he could have used an MS Sasuke as well? EMS provides better chakra consumption and the user doesn't lose his light, which he WOULD if he casts it with an MS eye, regardless of the infinite amount of Juubi's chakra. How long will he remain synced to Mezo? He would go blind in a matter of days from its constant usage.

    This is another proof that the infinite tsukuyomi requires the reflection of MS's moon technique.
     
         

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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    Quote Originally Posted by shelke View Post
    You have learned that Tsukiyomi can be cast on the whole naruto-verse by moon reflection. Now take this scenario into perspective; the user casting the genjutsu will run out of chakra fairly quickly - within a few minutes, I'm guessing - , BUT with the Juubi's chakra, they can maintain the genjutsu for its 'infinite' value.

    That question was aimed at you. As you believe that Obito can simply use the three tomoe sharingen genjutsu. Why did he want an EMS user? When he could have used an MS Sasuke as well? EMS provides better chakra consumption and the user doesn't lose his light, which he WOULD if he casts it with an MS eye, regardless of the infinite amount of Juubi's chakra. How long will he remain synced to Mezo? He would go blind in a matter of days from its constant usage.

    This is another proof that the infinite tsukuyomi requires the reflection of MS's moon technique.
    The name "Infinite Tsukuyomi" could also have been conceived just how it says in my post as Madara nor Obito ever said they are casting Tsukuyomi on the entire Narutoverse, they said they were casting a Genjutsu.

    @bold: No, it isn't the 3-Tomoe Sharingan Genjutsu...it is a Genjutsu that is used through the power of the Juubi hence the reflection being the Juubi's eye itself and Madara used this Genjutsu on Obito using the Mazo's power as he stated.

    I know it was directed at me, but the question also conflicts with your own logic, so why would I be the only one to answer it?

    Why would he lose his light when he has been spamming Kamui with his MS for years and hasn't shown a hint of blindness? He isn't going to go blind. And he was ready to do it by himself w/o an EMS user's help, so are you telling me he would have done it himself, knowing that he would become blind...I doubt it.

    Why would the duration of him being synced to the Mazo even matter?
     
         
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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

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    Itachi, he put three Kage level ninja's in a Sharingan Genjutsu pretty easy, and could've kill them. Next Sasuke, then Kakashi.
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    Re: Who's deadlier with 3T sharingan, sasuke, itachi or kakashi

    @Kidgamer Do you realize how Sasuke doesn't call his MS tsukuyomi by this term, and only uses the term MS genjutsu? It's because the manga wants to highlight Itachi's as it surpasses the actual MS genjutsu. Otherwise, it's obvious that even Sasuke has it, and so does Madara otherwise they wouldn't have a sussano, now would they?

    His Kamui is a special jutsu which doesn't seem to be linked to Uchiha at all. It's something he himself awoke when he went through a life and death struggle and was kept in a limbo-like existence. Also, he awoke it when he was hit by a rock, as according to Madara, he slipped through most of it: http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/602/5. As he of course was in a purgatory-state, where he was neither alive nor dead.

    This is an ability independent of the MS eyes. Hence it shouldn't pose any threat to his eye-sight that would drain IF he uses the original kaleidoscope techniques.

    Also, according to Zetsu, only Madara was capable enough to cast the genjutsu, which could explain Tobi's interest in Sasuke as he wanted him to awake his EMS as well: http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/603/8

    Syncing with the mezo alone gives enough chakra to avoid death: http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/602/14. Now how would that gutsu continue to work without constantly using the technique? You think one reflection would cast cast the jutsu for eternity?
     
         

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