pain > sasuke (proof)

[uchiha asuku aliyu]

latley i've been hearing fanboys claiming that sasuke is stronger than nagato which is a fat lie.... Now let me use simple math to prove you wrong...
Nagato = rinegan + uzumaki.
Sasuke = ems (uchiha)
Now rinegan = senju d.n.a + ems.
And senju d.n.a > ems (hashi proved that to us)
Which means rinegan>>> ems.
Now we all know that uzumaki clan members has nice stamina and great chakra level.. Which means nagato has better stamina than sasuke...
In the end if we are to use our common sense to calculate this maths i've written we will all know that nagato uzumaki > any sharingan user except rinegan madara and senju d.n.a/rinegan obito..

[Simple Math]

I agree pain > Sasuke, but your explanation was trash

Deva could solo, but the others = debateable.

[PretaPath]

I agree pain > Sasuke, but your explanation was trash

I say Sasuke beats the 5 other paths and lose to Deva..

Erm.. no, he might beats 2 paths but that's it. Sasuke isn't beating all the boss summons without exhausting at least half his chakra reserves also he can't detect the invisible cameleon so he's gonna have a hard time here.
Susanoo won't protect him against Chibaku Tensei nor Shinra Tensei.
He'll have to constantly watch his back because Human Path might rip his soul
Add to that Asura Path shooting missiles at long range
If he destroys the Pain bodies Naraka Path could just revive them, so no problem here, without intel he won't know that he needs to take out Naraka first.
Preta Path can absorbs Susanoo arrows and amaterasu
Taijutsu is useless against Pain because they all share the same vision field.

Sasuke gets simply fodderized here.

[JIRAIYA perv]

no need for proof

[shelke]

Powerful than Nagato? Debatable. More powerful than Pein? Definitely, and here is my detailed analysis from another thread.

I am going to start with the basic paths abilities:

Animal path summon animals without the seals and has the power to summon other paths with seals. Amplification technique gives the animal a certain condition, when it’s met it gains a certain specified ability

Asura paths abilities give it a mechanized armour with projectile missiles, and a chakra blast technique. It also has a very high offense as it ripped Jariya’s arm with brute strength. However, it is weak to lightening and was weakened by Kakashi’s lightening cutter who couldn’t do more, because he didn’t have enough chakra to reuse it.

Deva Path:
Bansho Tenin pulls the enemy towards the user and has a five second limit. It can attract multiple targets towards its self.

Shenrai Tensai repels physical objects and techniques. Large level shinra tensai can be used, but for this Nagato has to disconnected his chakra flow to the other paths and it greatly reduces the recovery of other paths.

Chibaku tensai allows the deva path to hurl an orb of gravity that pulls everything towards it. For this technique, the deva path should be close to Nagato and it puts an immense strain on his body.

Petra path has the ability to absorb any ninjutsu technique and if comes in contact with the user, he can absorb it straight out of their body.

Human path has the ability to suck the souls of those he touches and is able to read their minds as well.

Nakara path allows restoration and interrogation.

Here is what I think how Sasuke can put up a great fight.

Human path, Animal Path, and Petra Path:

The human, animal, and petra path are not immune to genjutsu as they were destroyed by Jiraiya before getting restored by Nakara path. Sasuke can put them under genjutsu, like he did with Bee and Shee:

Sasuke putting Bee under Genjutsu with MS: http://www.mangareader.net/93-418-8/...apter-413.html. Bee succumbs to Sasuke’s Tsukiyomi: http://www.mangareader.net/93-418-9/...apter-413.html

Sasuk putting Shee under Genjutsu: http://www.mangareader.net/93-31099-...apter-462.html - http://www.mangareader.net/93-31099-...apter-462.html - http://www.mangareader.net/93-31099-...apter-462.html.

Now even if this genjutsu requires the opponent to look in Sasuke's eyes, he can simply pick Human and Animal Path with his sussano, that was quick enough to grab Kabuto in his DSM mode: http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/579/6. This can get at least one path out of the way with ease.

Nakara path is not a quick path at all, as even konohamaru was able to get it with a rassengan. He is more of a support, medic-nin ninja of the paths, who restores the destroyed bodies. All sasuke has to do is use Amatersu on him, as it quite unavoidable and very fast. It took A to use two techniques to avoid it. I seriously doubt that Nakara path is a quick path:

http://www.mangareader.net/93-31674-...apter-463.html
http://www.mangareader.net/93-31674-...apter-463.html

Amatersu is almost unavoidable because it goes wherever the eye goes and instantly spreads if the eye is fully focused on the target:

- http://www.mangareader.net/93-395-6/...apter-390.html - Black Flames will burn on the point wherever the eye is focused.
- Sasuke using Amatersu on Hachibi and the flames almost instantly spread:
http://www.mangareader.net/93-420-1/...apter-415.html
http://www.mangareader.net/93-420-2/...apter-415.html
http://www.mangareader.net/93-420-3/...apter-415.html

And given his abysmal speed, that wouldn’t be a problem.

Amatersu cannot be absorbed by Petra path, as Nagato had to use Shinra tensai to dispel it. It means this isn’t a ninjutsu that can simple be absorbed. Sasuke can use the many variations of Amatersu on human path, animal path and its summoned animals – as they are huge targets for amatersu – and Nakara path to get them out of the way or keep a safe distance so that they cannot touch him.

Sasuke’s Blaze Release Magatama: http://dailyanimeart.files.wordpress...9306243786.jpg
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...a_os_Zetsu.png

Blaze release Kagutsuchi – Enton to encase his sussano in amatersu flames: http://www.mangareader.net/93-32546-...apter-464.html

The simple use of Enton manipulation to scatter flames and attack, which can also be used to guard: http://www.mangareader.net/93-32546-...apter-464.html

Using raw Amatersu around the sussano as a large wall to keep enemies at bey: http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/582/4

This technique even eats through flames and is unaffected by water: http://www.mangareader.net/93-395-5/...apter-390.html

Asura paths abilities give it a mechanized armour with projectile missiles, and a chakra blast technique. It also has a very high offense as it ripped Jariya’s arm with brute strength. However, it is weak to lightening and was weakened by Kakashi’s lightening cutter who couldn’t do more, because he didn’t have enough chakra to reuse it.

Asura Path was weakened by Kakashi’s lightening cutter, but Sasuke has a platheora of chidori variations under his belt to take it apart:

Kirin (Rank S) striking the ground in less than 1/1000 of a second: http://www.mangapanda.com/93-396-6/n...apter-391.html . It was powerful enough to do this: http://www.mangapanda.com/93-396-9/n...apter-391.html - http://www.mangapanda.com/93-396-10/...apter-391.html - http://www.mangapanda.com/93-396-11/...apter-391.html.

Sword of Kusanagi (Rank B) can easily cut through steel. If the opponent is hit, their body goes numb due to the electrical current, and is impossible to move: http://www.mangapanda.com/93-313-9/n...apter-308.html

Chidori Sharp Spear (Rank A). Once thrust, it can be shaped into additional daggers: http://www.mangapanda.com/93-363-6/n...apter-358.html

Chidori Nagashi or Chidori (Rank A) current allows Sasuke to release chidori in every direction from his own body. It can double the defense if used on many enemies: http://www.mangapanda.com/93-313-4/n...apter-308.html and . http://www.mangapanda.com/93-313-5/n...apter-308.html .The person who is hit by it will get damaged and his muscles will become stiff. It can also be channeled through the ground to increase the range of attack: http://www.mangapanda.com/93-389-11/...apter-384.html

Chidori Senbon (Rank A) uses shape transformation, and the more the chakra use, the more the senbons. It becomes much more effective with sharingen, allowing Sasuke to target enemy’s vital parts: http://www.mangapanda.com/93-362-15/...apter-357.html

How can Kirin be prepared? That's way too easy. Given the heat produced by amatersu and if Sasuke just gives it a little push with Fire release: Great Dragon Fire Technique: it would be just that easy: http://www.mangareader.net/93-395-15...apter-390.html. Thunder clouds will form in no time. Giving him full control to bend lightening at command, and no one is dodging or absorbing it: http://www.mangapanda.com/93-396-6/n...apter-391.html

http://www.mangareader.net/93-395-15...apter-390.html

Sasuke used up all chakra for that jutsu alone: http://www.mangareader.net/93-395-18...apter-390.html

It was used to manipulate the rising air current and create the rain cloud: http://www.mangareader.net/93-396-3/...apter-391.html

He took advantage of Amatersu heat as well : http://www.mangareader.net/93-396-5/...apter-391.html

Now Sasuke can also use arrows to take out Nakara path from the very beginning. Not only are they too fast to avoid, but they cannot be blocked given their piercing nature:

Kakashi had to resort to a Kamui to barely survive them, that's how quick they are: http://dl01.mangashare.com/manga/Naruto/484/006.jpg - http://www.mangareader.net/93-47597-...apter-484.html

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/579/14 and http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/579/15 - Sasuke’s arrow going clean through a very thick Cavern spike.

Deva Path is the actual problem. Its attraction technique can be avoided as Naruto did so by creating a barrier of clones. Its limit is five seconds. If naruto can accomplish it with a bunch of clones, Sasuke can very well do so with level four Sussano:

Complete Sussano is extremely large: http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...nd_Susanoo.png
Its erection is extremely fast as Itachi was able to erect it before the lightening hit it, and it’s much faster that the speed of sound: http://www.mangapanda.com/93-396-8/n...apter-391.html (No Sussano when the sky lit up), and http://www.mangapanda.com/93-396-15/...apter-391.html.

Sasuke cannot dispel shinra tensai, nor can he do anything about Chibaku Tensai. But, both the abilities are extremely powerful that if used (Shinra Tensai), are enough to weaken the 6 paths but Nagato has to disconnect the 6 paths to even use the former on a large scale and both require a bit of preparation time.
The thing is, Sasuke will face problem because Deva will simply repel every attack except raw amatersu as it’ll require a powerful shinra tensai to repel it and it’ll severally disrupt the rest of the paths, creating a huge opening for Sasuke to take the fight. Also given its 5 second limit, Sasuke will use it to his advantage.
And if Sasuke is able to maintain kirin or take out the other paths quicker, this would be Sasuke's win but with very high difficulty. The thing is, constant enton spam would create thunder clouds without a doubt, and no path is faster than 1/1000th of a second as the page suggested. They will get burn to a crisp. And if Sasuke is smart enough to take out Nakara path, along with Deva path, the fight is over.
It all depends upon how the scenario plays. With kirin at his disposal and a wide array of Amatersu and chidori techniques, fire jutsus, Sasuke's god-like speed, genius status and tactical ability, along with Complete sussano who was a better defense than Gaara's at MS level: http://www.mangareader.net/93-32546-...apter-464.html. Its arrows and grab abilities. The ability to sense chakra behind solid objects even: http://www.mangareader.net/93-395-18...apter-390.html and http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/579/9

This fight will go in Sasuke’s favour given all the points I have posted.

At least post some facts to back up your claims. Your 'fat lie' claim is not convincing anyone.

[T Bogard]

Deva solos. He can do nothing against CT

[Memoria]

Sasuke would beat Pain only if he had info on the paths' abilities, and even then Pain would prove to be a difficult opponent. If Sasuke had no info on the paths' abilities or their secret then he would lose to Pain.

[Simple Math]

Erm.. no, he might beats 2 paths but that's it. Sasuke isn't beating all the boss summons without exhausting at least half his chakra reserves also he can't detect the invisible cameleon so he's gonna have a hard time here.
Susanoo won't protect him against Chibaku Tensei nor Shinra Tensei.
He'll have to constantly watch his back because Human Path might rip his soul
Add to that Asura Path shooting missiles at long range
If he destroys the Pain bodies Naraka Path could just revive them, so no problem here, without intel he won't know that he needs to take out Naraka first.
Preta Path can absorbs Susanoo arrows and amaterasu
Taijutsu is useless against Pain because they all share the same vision field.

Sasuke gets simply fodderized here.

I was assuming Sasuke had full knowledge

he would lose to deva for sure, no question.. but the 5 others = debateable, if he manage to kill pretha first that can absorb the arrows or amaterasu.. he can put up a great fight against the 4 others

the guy 3x above me came up with an good explanation.

[shelke]

How is petra path absorbing Amatersu which eats chakra itself, and Nagato died and use shinra Tensai to dispel it? It means it can't be absorbed, otherwise, instead of dying, he would have absorbed it.

[sasukeandthirdraikage]

sasuke wins

[GiantShuriken]

Sasuke wins. Nagato has the better eyes, but Sasuke is the superior skilled ninja.

[Microsword57]

Hmm... I'm currently indecisive someone convince me.

[TheSages456]

sasuke obviously beats pain . this more so seems like a naruto wank thread in disguise and make it look like sasuke can beat none of the opponents naruto has faced.

[UchihaBrothers]

you failed when your thread title said Pain but then in your explanation It says Nagato

[shelke]

Hmm... I'm currently indecisive someone convince me.

Read my detailed post in the spoiler tag. it's only a few posts above yours.

[unorthodox]

Deva solos. He can do nothing against CT

he > ct amaterasu the orb and susanoo arrows

[genii96]

Pain beats sasuke,nagato rapes the crap out of him