Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

[~Sovereign~]

i was looking at itachi vs sasuke fight and i noticed this

zetsu is watching the entire fight, and he said this
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/388/17

^^^^why dont zetsu recognize amaterasu????????

REMEMBER ZETSU KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT MADARA
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/606/14
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/606/15


this PROVES madara doesnt have amaterasu because zetsu would have known about it already unless kishi contradicts his manga

and since madara can use susano without amaterasu, this proves susano doesnt require amaterasu

this proves the databook wrong too......unless the databook is talking about just ITACHI's susano

agree?

EDIT: here is my thread other thread about susano requirements
http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=258665

[Normal fanboy]

yeah i guess >.>

[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

Idk on this

[MrSimple]

Everyone knows that from long ago...

[Sea Of Thy Soul]

You only need both mangekyou's to unlock Susano'o?!

[Simple Math]

yep. amaterasu is Itachi's own ms tech.

[Owarij]

Black zetsu knew of it and explained exactly what it does to white zetsu

"If the left Mangekyou posesses the most powerful Mangekyou, the right one holds the most powerful physical attack..

and then a description of amaterasu..."

That doesn't sound like someone who doesnt know of it

[~Sovereign~]

You only need both mangekyou's to unlock Susano'o?!

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/464/16

[~Sovereign~]

Black zetsu knew of it and explained exactly what it does to white zetsu

AFTER itachi used it

[Unbiased]

Databook says otherwise.

[demon fang]

I don't know it seemed like he knew about it just never seen it in action.

[senjumahe]

At above nt many do. the manga obviously contradicts itself in some places but fanboys think that kishi doesn't make mistakes which is wrong. this is the reason i think why we haven't yet seen madaras Ms techniques, right? because kishi messed up there

[Itachi2020]

But Black Zetsu knows about it, and the black one should know more about Madara.

[Owarij]

AFTER itachi used it

Itachi did not use it yet..check the scan again my friend

[Thundergod123]

Yeah, all of we knows that Itachi need to unlock Tsukyomi and Amaterasu to use Susano, but Madara doesn't have any Amaterasu.

[meowNverse]

i was looking at itachi vs sasuke fight and i noticed this

zetsu is watching the entire fight, and he said this
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/388/17

^^^^why dont zetsu recognize amaterasu????????

REMEMBER ZETSU KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT MADARA
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/606/14
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/606/15


this PROVES madara doesnt have amaterasu because zetsu would have known about it already unless kishi contradicts his manga

and since madara can use susano without amaterasu, this proves susano doesnt require amaterasu

this proves the databook wrong too......unless the databook is talking about just ITACHI's susano

agree?

You actually proved yourself wrong .
Amaterasu:
Black Zetsu knows of it, so Madara most likely has Amaterasu.
Black Zetsu however, has never seen it in action, which is true, cause Madara died like 3 seconds after his creation.

Tsukuyomi:
Madara showed some form of Tsukuyomi to Obito, so he has that jutsu as well.

Susanoo:
Madara has perfect Susanoo.

Susanoo is rare:
Obito said it was rare for MS users to unlock Susanoo.
Obito himself doesnt have it.
Shisui, as far as we know, doesnt have it either.

So yeah, you probably need Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, to unlock Susanoo.

[Prince Charles]

Black zetsu explained it...

Also databook saids otherwise

either kishi forgot about this or he doesnt care

[MrSimple]

Black zetsu knew of it and explained exactly what it does to white zetsu

"If the left Mangekyou posesses the most powerful Mangekyou, the right one holds the most powerful physical attack..

and then a description of amaterasu..."

That doesn't sound like someone who doesnt know of it

That's because he's talking about Itachi, this thinking is wrong...

If Sasuke has amateratsu with his left eye, he can control it with his right eye? See the difference?

And then at the kage summit Sasuke explained the rest.

[~Sovereign~]

Black zetsu knew of it and explained exactly what it does to white zetsu

"If the left Mangekyou posesses the most powerful Mangekyou, the right one holds the most powerful physical attack..

and then a description of amaterasu..."

That doesn't sound like someone who doesnt know of it

might he have heard a rumor about it

zetsu clearly states "we might actually get to see it"
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/388/17

[~Sovereign~]

Black zetsu explained it...

Also databook saids otherwise

either kishi forgot about this or he doesnt care

You actually proved yourself wrong .
Amaterasu:
Black Zetsu knows of it, so Madara most likely has Amaterasu.
Black Zetsu however, has never seen it in action, which is true, cause Madara died like 3 seconds after his creation.

Tsukuyomi:
Madara showed some form of Tsukuyomi to Obito, so he has that jutsu as well.

Susanoo:
Madara has perfect Susanoo.

Susanoo is rare:
Obito said it was rare for MS users to unlock Susanoo.
Obito himself doesnt have it.
Shisui, as far as we know, doesnt have it either.

So yeah, you probably need Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, to unlock Susanoo.

both of you look at post 19

obito doesnt have it becvause he has one eye

[meowNverse]

both of you look at post 19

Black Zetsu has all Madara's knowledge. Madara used the rikudo no jutsu to shape his will into a physical form (this became Black Zetsu). Black Zetsu knows what Madara knows.
Amaterasu is probably one of these things.
I find that more likely than having heard a rumor about it, dont you think?

[KidGamer65]

Him saying "We might actually get to see it" doesn't mean that he has never seen it before, he is just wondering if they will be able to see it in the current battle.

[~Sovereign~]

Black Zetsu has all Madara's knowledge. Madara used the rikudo no jutsu to shape his will into a physical form (this became Black Zetsu). Black Zetsu knows what Madara knows.
Amaterasu is probably one of these things.
I find that more likely than having heard a rumor about it, dont you think?

thats what i said

black zetsu only explained a rumor

if madara had amaterasu, zetsu wouldve already seen amaterasu before

[Owarij]

might he have heard a rumor about it

zetsu clearly states "we might actually get to see it"
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/388/17

Black zetsu never saw Madara use it... Madara was in old age barely able to go places...

Rumor? If he heard it as a rumor, White zetsu would have known of it aswell.... But white zetsu was completely clueless, yet the black knew exactly what it was and even that it's the partner jutsu to Tsukyomi... Unless you're going to imply that black and white split up and he heard it?


You're starting to base your argument on pure conjecture not supported by the manga at all... this isn't proof what so ever

if madara had amaterasu, zetsu wouldve already seen amaterasu before

as I said wrong, when zetsu was made Madara was an old man, he never saw madara fight, he had knowledge of the ability, but never saw it in action

[~Sovereign~]

Him saying "We might actually get to see it" doesn't mean that he has never seen it before, he is just wondering if they will be able to see it in the current battle.

zetsu was shocked to see itachi use amaterasu for the first time

they were shock and didnt know it can burn fire