Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

[meowNverse]

@meowverse



There BASICALLY the same thing

I thought so too and I think I even linked this page as well. However someone linked what I liked above in post #76.
The A rank S rank thing and other little differences.
So apparently the two jutsus have differences and not only the name.

[Prince Charles]

I was teasing you, don't take it seriously.
Susanoo, Amaterasu, and Tsukuyomi being brothers in Japanese mythology is not a proof then? Okay, dismiss the fact that Kishimoto usually follows Japanese mythology in his manga. Databook literally stated that Susanoo can only be used by those possessing Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, read the underlined:




Well, if that's not a proof for you either then it's clear that you're in denial.

Lmfao you just R.I.P"ed his thread.

[UchihaBrothers]

i was looking at itachi vs sasuke fight and i noticed this

zetsu is watching the entire fight, and he said this
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/388/17

^^^^why dont zetsu recognize amaterasu????????

REMEMBER ZETSU KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT MADARA
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/606/14
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/606/15


this PROVES madara doesnt have amaterasu because zetsu would have known about it already unless kishi contradicts his manga

and since madara can use susano without amaterasu, this proves susano doesnt require amaterasu

this proves the databook wrong too......unless the databook is talking about just ITACHI's susano

agree?

EDIT: here is my thread other thread about susano requirements
http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=258665

What are you talking about? Black zetsu only said those statements because he was suprised that Itachi was actually going to use amaterasu and he didnt think that itachi was actually going to use it.

[NaruGoku]

I was in the same boat.

I cannot find that conversation I had right now, (ill edit when I come across), however I can provide this though:
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Lightning_Cutter
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Chidori
It says Chidori=A rank and how Kakashi improved it to an S rank version.
Raikiri=S Rank (better chakra control and color, among the reasons).

, i'm sorry man i simply don't buy this wiki explanation. it's so vague, it actually doesn't say anything. it gives no evidence of how they are different at all except by stating "it's more advanced..." So if Kishi himself has a better explanation, that's what i'd really like to see. the Wiki thing explains absolutely nothing and i read it all very closely.

@meowverse



There BASICALLY the same thing

and ALSO i'm also pointing to this picture--"it's Chidori, also known as Raikiri." That's clear cut to me. No matter the "explanation" like "better chakra control" and stuff, i'm still gonna say they're the same unless i see Kishi give a very clear explanation. This explanation is not clear at all.. so of course, IF they ARE different techniques, i'll accept it, but i'm going to have to see someting that truly makes me think they are different techniques. as far as i'm concerned, this is like calling Rasengan and Oodama Rasengan different techniques: they're the same, but one requires much more chakra and is more powerful.

Again, i'm willing to accept them being different, but i'll need a clear explanation. Also, are they supposed to be different TECHNIQUES? or are they just supposed to be different variations of the SAME technique, cuz that's the only thing that makes sense to me at the moment...

so even if somewhere Kishi had stated clearly that they are not the same technique, please forgive my skepticism i have seen no such thing and the current "evidence" hasn't convinced. so i'm not saying i can't be wrong, but i truly feel at the moment that there's not enough to change my mind

[meowNverse]

are they just supposed to be different variations of the SAME technique, cuz that's the only thing that makes sense to me at the moment...

Thats what I understood. A higher form of the same technique and therefore slghtly different and a higher rank and I guess the ranks are not given randomly, but are from data, like databooks.
But who knows, I just share what someone linked me . Apparently there are more differences than just the name.

[dirklyn]

i was looking at itachi vs sasuke fight and i noticed this

zetsu is watching the entire fight, and he said this
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/388/17

^^^^why dont zetsu recognize amaterasu????????

REMEMBER ZETSU KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT MADARA
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/606/14
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/606/15


this PROVES madara doesnt have amaterasu because zetsu would have known about it already unless kishi contradicts his manga

and since madara can use susano without amaterasu, this proves susano doesnt require amaterasu

this proves the databook wrong too......unless the databook is talking about just ITACHI's susano

agree?

EDIT: here is my thread other thread about susano requirements
http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=258665

very hard to admit

[natssuu]

Databook says otherwise.

Caster: Itachi Uchiha. So it only refers to Itachi, other wise every Susano'o would possess the Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade, but that's not the case.

[KidGamer65]

Caster: Itachi Uchiha. So it only refers to Itachi, other wise every Susano'o would possess the Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade, but that's not the case.

, no read the second paragraph on the right page.

It says those who have mastered Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi get Susanoo, why would they say those ift hey were referring to Itachi's only for the whole entry?

[~Sovereign~]

I was teasing you, don't take it seriously.
Susanoo, Amaterasu, and Tsukuyomi being brothers in Japanese mythology is not a proof then? Okay, dismiss the fact that Kishimoto usually follows Japanese mythology in his manga. Databook literally stated that Susanoo can only be used by those possessing Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, read the underlined:



Well, if that's not a proof for you either then it's clear that you're in denial.

i just told you, i dont care because naruto is just an anime so why get mad/serious? its not like my life will chage lol

now, i already told you that kishi lies/chages his mind/contradicts and i gave 4 examples, 3 of them wasnt that good tho lol

you have no manga pages while i do, manga>databook because kishi can always change his mind

and sasuke doesnt mention tsukuyomi or amaterasu here
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/464/16

all you need is double mangekyou to unlock susano straight from the manga
you got manga proof?

What are you talking about? Black zetsu only said those statements because he was suprised that Itachi was actually going to use amaterasu and he didnt think that itachi was actually going to use it.

zetsu said "WE might actually get to see amaterasu" meaning they never saw it before

, no read the second paragraph on the right page.

It says those who have mastered Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi get Susanoo, why would they say those ift hey were referring to Itachi's only for the whole entry?

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/464/16

nothing said about amaterasu and tsukuyomi being required

[KidGamer65]

i just told you, i dont care because naruto is just an anime so why get mad/serious? its not like my life will chage lol

now, i already told you that kishi lies/chages his mind/contradicts and i gave 4 examples, 3 of them wasnt that good tho lol

you have no manga pages while i do, manga>databook because kishi can always change his mind

and sasuke doesnt mention tsukuyomi or amaterasu here
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/464/16

all you need is double mangekyou to unlock susano straight from the manga
you got manga proof?



zetsu said "WE might actually get to see amaterasu" meaning they never saw it before



http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/464/16

Databook>Character Statements.

All the Databook does is go in depth on what is necessary for Susanoo, its more specific.

[~Sovereign~]

Databook>Character Statements.

All the Databook does is go in depth on what is necessary for Susanoo, its more specific.

manga>databook

kishimoto made sasuke say that

and its still not 100% known if sasuke even has tsukuyomi

[KidGamer65]

manga>databook

kishimoto made sasuke say that

and its still not 100% known if sasuke even has tsukuyomi

Kishimoto's direct words hold more weight than what a character says, as character statements are not always the truth.

And like I said, Sasuke's words don't even contradict the databook, they are just vaguer than what the Databook says.

Having 2 different abilities in each eye is a Double Mangekyo, Databook makes it even more specific and says that you need Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, so the manga nor the databook is wrong.

[~Sovereign~]

Kishimoto's direct words hold more weight than what a character says, as character statements are not always the truth.

And like I said, Sasuke's words don't even contradict the databook, they are just vaguer than what the Databook says.

Having 2 different abilities in each eye is a Double Mangekyo, Databook makes it even more specific and says that you need Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, so the manga nor the databook is wrong.

i does contradict the databook, go by what sasuke said any two mangekyou will work

two mangkyou will unlock susano, nothing about amaterasu and tsukuyomi specifically

[shogun973]

this thread was over from the ts post...how he misinterpreted so much is beyond me

black zetsu is the WILL of madara
we might actually get to see means at the time because of the way it felt, they thought itachi was going to use amateretsu
black zetsu clearly describes it
itachi clearly states that you need both dojoutsu's

[KidGamer65]

i does contradict the databook, go by what sasuke said any two mangekyou will work

two mangkyou will unlock susano, nothing about amaterasu and tsukuyomi specifically

No it doesn't do you even know what the Double Mangekyo is?

Double Mangekyo=2 Different techniques, 1 in each eye.

Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu=2 different techniques and one is in each eye.

Sasuke says "Double Mangekyo gives you Susanoo" (Vague version).

Databook says "Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu are needed for Susanno" (Specific Version).

Sasuke and the Databook are saying the same exact thing, but one is going to more depth than the other.

[shogun973]

No it doesn't do you even know what the Double Mangekyo is?

Double Mangekyo=2 Different techniques, 1 in each eye.

Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu=2 different techniques and one is in each eye.

Sasuke says "Double Mangekyo gives you Susanoo" (Vague version).

Databook says "Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu are needed for Susanno" (Specific Version).

Sasuke and the Databook are saying the same exact thing, but one is going to more depth than the other.

this^^^^^

[UchihaBrothers]

i just told you, i dont care because naruto is just an anime so why get mad/serious? its not like my life will chage lol

now, i already told you that kishi lies/chages his mind/contradicts and i gave 4 examples, 3 of them wasnt that good tho lol

you have no manga pages while i do, manga>databook because kishi can always change his mind

and sasuke doesnt mention tsukuyomi or amaterasu here
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/464/16

all you need is double mangekyou to unlock susano straight from the manga
you got manga proof?



zetsu said "WE might actually get to see amaterasu" meaning they never saw it before



http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/464/16

nothing said about amaterasu and tsukuyomi being required

No, they only said that because they didnt think that Itachi was actually going to fight seriously enough to use amaterasu. Also Zetsu said, "The air around Itachi is changing." Then he said, "we might actually get to see amaterasu." Which means he reconized what happens to the air when soneone is about to use amaterasu.

[~Sovereign~]

No, they only said that because they didnt think that Itachi was actually going to fight seriously enough to use amaterasu. Also Zetsu said, "The air around Itachi is changing." Then he said, "we might actually get to see amaterasu." Which means he reconized what happens to the air when soneone is about to use amaterasu.

white zetsu was shocked to see it can burn through fire, they never seen it before

No it doesn't do you even know what the Double Mangekyo is?

Double Mangekyo=2 Different techniques, 1 in each eye.

Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu=2 different techniques and one is in each eye.

Sasuke says "Double Mangekyo gives you Susanoo" (Vague version).

Databook says "Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu are needed for Susanno" (Specific Version).

Sasuke and the Databook are saying the same exact thing, but one is going to more depth than the other.

give me a link of sasuke or anyone in the manga saying tsukuyomi and amaterasu is required

dont get that itachi link ill prove it wrong

[~Sovereign~]

this thread was over from the ts post...how he misinterpreted so much is beyond me

black zetsu is the WILL of madara
we might actually get to see means at the time because of the way it felt, they thought itachi was going to use amateretsu
black zetsu clearly describes it
itachi clearly states that you need both dojoutsu's

zetsu said "WE might actually get to see amaterasu"

black zetsu describing means 100% NOTHING

black zetsu has madara's knowledge, and if madara had amaterasu then black zetsu shouldve already known what amaterasu LOOKED like

[KidGamer65]

white zetsu was shocked to see it can burn through fire, they never seen it before



give me a link of sasuke or anyone in the manga saying tsukuyomi and amaterasu is required

dont get that itachi link ill prove it wrong

Did you read the post? I don't need to give manga proof cause I have something greater than that....the authors words that say Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu are required.

Its not my problem you don't want to believe it, as I've already proved that Sasuke and the Databook refer to the same thing, but the Databook goes more in depth about it.

[Prince Charles]

Sakuxnaru you put up a good fight but the databook scan ended it clearly saids u need both ama and tysukutomi for sussano

[UchihaBrothers]

white zetsu was shocked to see it can burn through fire, they never seen it before



give me a link of sasuke or anyone in the manga saying tsukuyomi and amaterasu is required

dont get that itachi link ill prove it wrong

That was white Zetsu not black zetsu.

[~Sovereign~]

Did you read the post? I don't need to give manga proof cause I have something greater than that....the authors words that say Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu are required.

Its not my problem you don't want to believe it, as I've already proved that Sasuke and the Databook refer to the same thing, but the Databook goes more in depth about it.

the databook ALSO said yata mirror and totsuka blade is apart of susano but sasuke and madara doesnt have it

i guess thats true too huh? where is madara and sasuke's?????

kishi contradicts himself, i proved this 5 times now

databook is obviously talking about itachi's susano

dont you see itachi's picture?

Sakuxnaru you put up a good fight but the databook scan ended it clearly saids u need both ama and tysukutomi for sussano

^^^

That was white Zetsu not black zetsu.

white zetsu is hashirama basically, dont you think hashirama wouldve seen madara use amaterasu???

[KidGamer65]

the databook ALSO said yata mirror and totsuka blade is apart of susano but sasuke and madara doesnt have it

i guess thats true too huh? where is madara and sasuke's?????

kishi contradicts himself, i proved this 5 times now

databook is obviously talking about itachi's susano

dont you see itachi's picture?



^^^



white zetsu is hashirama basically, dont you think hashirama wouldve seen madara use amaterasu???

Here we go again...

The Databook says "Those who have Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu can use Susanoo" Keyword is those.

If it was referring to Itachi's Susanoo only for that page, then it wouldn't have said those who awaken...and so on.

The page on the left was referring to Itachi's Susanoo not the one on the right, which was referring to Susanoo as a whole.

@bold: , Hashirama and Zetsu are not the same person, its absurd to even think they are, as Zetsu is made from Hashirama's DNA, he doesn't have his memories or experiences.

[FXW]

the databook ALSO said yata mirror and totsuka blade is apart of susano but sasuke and madara doesnt have it

i guess thats true too huh? where is madara and sasuke's?????

kishi contradicts himself, i proved this 5 times now

databook is obviously talking about itachi's susano

dont you see itachi's picture?



^^^



white zetsu is hashirama basically, dont you think hashirama wouldve seen madara use amaterasu???

1) The Yata mirror and Totsuka blades were legendary weapons that only Itachi had.

2) White zetsu is made of Hashirama's CELLS. He's a clone. He doesn't have Hashirama's knowledge. Black Zetsu, on the other hand, is Madara's will, so he has Madara's knowledge.