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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    Here we go again...

    The Databook says "Those who have Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu can use Susanoo" Keyword is those.

    If it was referring to Itachi's Susanoo only for that page, then it wouldn't have said those who awaken...and so on.

    The page on the left was referring to Itachi's Susanoo not the one on the right, which was referring to Susanoo as a whole.

    @bold: , Hashirama and Zetsu are not the same person, its absurd to even think they are, as Zetsu is made from Hashirama's DNA, he doesn't have his memories or experiences.
    did i say they were the same person? no, i said "basically"

    i noticed you didnt say nothing about yata mirror and totsuka blade

    databook says susano has yata mirror and totsuka PROVE IT since you love the databook

    Quote Originally Posted by FXW View Post
    1) The Yata mirror and Totsuka blades were legendary weapons that only Itachi had.

    2) White zetsu is made of Hashirama's CELLS. He's a clone. He doesn't have Hashirama's knowledge. Black Zetsu, on the other hand, is Madara's will, so he has Madara's knowledge.
    look at the databook

    Quote Originally Posted by UchihaBrothers View Post
    white zetsu is just a conjure up of Hashi's dna and cells. He doesnt have any of Hashi's memories or mindset.
    why didnt vlack zetsu tell white zetsu about amaterasu if he seen it before??
     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by SakuXNaru View Post
    did i say they were the same person? no, i said "basically"

    i noticed you didnt say nothing about yata mirror and totsuka blade

    databook says susano has yata mirror and totsuka PROVE IT since you love the databook
    The databook says Itachi's Susanoo has Yata and Totsuka, and yes I already answered your comment about Totsuka and Yata by saying that the page on the right talks about Itachi's Susanoo while the page on the right talks about Susanoo as a whole.


    And they aren't even basically the same person either.

    I don't love the databook, I'm just taking it as fact, since the creator of the whole manga is the one who wrote it...
     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by SakuXNaru View Post
    did i say they were the same person? no, i said "basically"

    i noticed you didnt say nothing about yata mirror and totsuka blade

    databook says susano has yata mirror and totsuka PROVE IT since you love the databook



    look at the databook



    why didnt vlack zetsu tell white zetsu about amaterasu if he seen it before??
    he already did, he was explaining it before and after itachi used it.
     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    The databook says Itachi's Susanoo has Yata and Totsuka, and yes I already answered your comment about Totsuka and Yata by saying that the page on the right talks about Itachi's Susanoo while the page on the right talks about Susanoo as a whole.


    And they aren't even basically the same person either.

    I don't love the databook, I'm just taking it as fact, since the creator of the whole manga is the one who wrote it...
    you're saying kishi doesnt write/draw the manga?

    the databook is about itachi until i get manga proof that it needs amaterasu and tsukuyomi specifically

    according to databook, naruto speed is 3.5 which is WRONG, this is proof that the databook can be useless at times and susano is one of the useless part of it

    dont give me that BS about upgraded, because i can same the same about susano requirements....kishi made the databook when amaterasu and tsukuyomi were the only managykou at the time (just like naruto's speed) AND itachi was the only one with susano and since itachi had amaterasu and tsukuyomi, kishi used itachi for the databook

    the databook can be out of date and kishi has a right to upgrade susano requirements which he did in the manga (sasuke said it)

    matter of fact, sasuke NEVER used tsukuyomi

    the only thing sasuke has shown is Amaterasu and Kagutsuchi
     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    , no read the second paragraph on the right page.

    It says those who have mastered Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi get Susanoo, why would they say those ift hey were referring to Itachi's only for the whole entry?
    The whole page talks about Susano'o as a whole. ''Its hands wield magical, matchless weapons'' ''The Susano'o boasts an absolutely perfect attack and defense because of the spirit weapon it wields in both hands''.
     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by SakuXNaru View Post
    i was looking at itachi vs sasuke fight and i noticed this

    zetsu is watching the entire fight, and he said this
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/388/17

    ^^^^why dont zetsu recognize amaterasu????????

    REMEMBER ZETSU KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT MADARA
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/606/14
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/606/15


    this PROVES madara doesnt have amaterasu because zetsu would have known about it already unless kishi contradicts his manga

    and since madara can use susano without amaterasu, this proves susano doesnt require amaterasu

    this proves the databook wrong too......unless the databook is talking about just ITACHI's susano

    agree?

    EDIT: here is my thread other thread about susano requirements
    http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=258665
    No, no, no. Zetsu was implying that he hadn't seen it before. Just because he was made by Madara, doesn't mean that he doesn't know what it is. He had never seen it. This isn't proof at all.
     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundercles View Post
    No, no, no. Zetsu was implying that he hadn't seen it before. Just because he was made by Madara, doesn't mean that he doesn't know what it is. He had never seen it. This isn't proof at all.
    zetsu has madara's knowledge

    if madara had amaterasu, then madara would have knowledge of what it looks like too
     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by SakuXNaru View Post
    zetsu has madara's knowledge

    if madara had amaterasu, then madara would have knowledge of what it looks like too
    The black zetsu has his will. Yes, Zetsu knows of the tech, but the white one hasn't seen it. Remember, the black and white zetsu are 2 differ minds.
     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundercles View Post
    The black zetsu has his will. Yes, Zetsu knows of the tech, but the white one hasn't seen it. Remember, the black and white zetsu are 2 differ minds.
    zetsu said "WE might actually get to see amaterasu"

    zetsu has madara's knowledge
     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by SakuXNaru View Post
    zetsu said "WE might actually get to see amaterasu"

    zetsu has madara's knowledge


    His "will".

    Edit: Even if you counter that he has his "knowledge". just because you know of something, seeing it in person is a whole different story. Your theory is defunct.
     
         
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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundercles View Post


    His "will".
    explain to me how black zetsu can explain amaterasu but white zetsu cant

    its because black zetsu has madara knowledge

    obito and nagato couldnt have told black zetsu because white zetsu would have known too (why tell black zetsu but not white?)

    its obvious, you're making this WAY more than it is
     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by SakuXNaru View Post
    explain to me how black zetsu can explain amaterasu but white zetsu cant

    its because black zetsu has madara knowledge

    obito and nagato couldnt have told black zetsu because white zetsu would have known too (why tell black zetsu but not white?)

    its obvious, you're making this WAY more than it is
    No, you are. Just because Black Zetsu has knowledge of a tech, actually seeing it in action is a whole different story. You are taking 1 minor thing and trying to make it revolutionary. You need both techs to access Susanoo.
     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundercles View Post
    No, you are. Just because Black Zetsu has knowledge of a tech, actually seeing it in action is a whole different story. You are taking 1 minor thing and trying to make it revolutionary. You need both techs to access Susanoo.
    funny how you cant explain it

    at least i explained my theory

    black zetsu has madara's knowledge and STILL havent seen amaterasu, meaning madara more than likely didnt have amaterasu
     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by SakuXNaru View Post
    funny how you cant explain it

    at least i explained my theory

    black zetsu has madara's knowledge and STILL havent seen amaterasu, meaning madara more than likely didnt have amaterasu
    I am explaining it. Black Zetsu is his own being, albeit a part of Madara. Just because he knows of the technique and everything, actually seeing it in action is different. I know how x-rays happen and how they work, but actually seeing it in person is very different. Black Zetsu knows the tech and all, but he, himself, hasn't seen it with his own f'ing eye. IT IS DIFFERENT. Again, IT-IS-DIFFERENT
     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundercles View Post
    I am explaining it. Black Zetsu is his own being, albeit a part of Madara. Just because he knows of the technique and everything, actually seeing it in action is different. I know how x-rays happen and how they work, but actually seeing it in person is very different. Black Zetsu knows the tech and all, but he, himself, hasn't seen it with his own f'ing eye. IT IS DIFFERENT. Again, IT-IS-DIFFERENT
    are you reading?

    if black zetsu has madara's knowledge, zetsu could use madara's knowledge to see how amaterasu looks

    but obviously zetsu only knows details of what it does
     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Zetsu knows squat about Madara, fools...

    It is Madaras will, not his knowledge. Besides only a retarded idiot would give some useless clone and easy capture for enemies information about his own jutsu. What you are implying with thread is that Madara was that stupid.. He obviously wasn't

    Despite your evidence being trash, we can always discuss, whether susanoo requires ama and tsuku, personally I don't think so, but idiots cling to the databook like it's the best evidence in the world..
     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by SakuXNaru View Post
    are you reading?

    if black zetsu has madara's knowledge, zetsu could use madara's knowledge to see how amaterasu looks

    but obviously zetsu only knows details of what it does
    ... :sy:
    I am literally fighting every urge in my body to insult you...:sy:

    Read this one word at a time:
    Just because he knows all about the tech, Black Zetsu, as his own individual person, and White Zetsu, have never actually seen the ****ing tech in person.
    I know what space looks like, but actually seeing it in person is a different matter. You are making moutains out of mole hills. He can perform the techs. They
    are required for Susanoo. Please, read this and then re-read it again.
     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by thegame View Post
    Zetsu knows squat about Madara, fools...

    It is Madaras will, not his knowledge. Besides only a retarded idiot would give some useless clone and easy capture for enemies information about his own jutsu. What you are implying with thread is that Madara was that stupid.. He obviously wasn't

    Despite your evidence being trash, we can always discuss, whether susanoo requires ama and tsuku, personally I don't think so, but idiots cling to the databook like it's the best evidence in the world..
    I agree about it being his will, but you gotta use something. Databook, manga, anime are all we have.
     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by thegame View Post
    Zetsu knows squat about Madara, fools...

    It is Madaras will, not his knowledge. Besides only a retarded idiot would give some useless clone and easy capture for enemies information about his own jutsu. What you are implying with thread is that Madara was that stupid.. He obviously wasn't

    Despite your evidence being trash, we can always discuss, whether susanoo requires ama and tsuku, personally I don't think so, but idiots cling to the databook like it's the best evidence in the world..
    :sy:
    are you slow?

    madara and obito are partners, why wouldnt madara leave his clone with obito, especially since madara was about to die anyway

    explain to me how zetsu knows about amaterasu but white zetsu doesnt

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundercles View Post
    ... :sy:
    I am literally fighting every urge in my body to insult you...:sy:

    Read this one word at a time:
    Just because he knows all about the tech, Black Zetsu, as his own individual person, and White Zetsu, have never actually seen the ****ing tech in person.
    I know what space looks like, but actually seeing it in person is a different matter. You are making moutains out of mole hills. He can perform the techs. They
    are required for Susanoo. Please, read this and then re-read it again.
    im not about to keep repeating myself

    where is you're manga proof??? back yourself up now

    give me a link of sasuke using tsukuyomi while your at it
     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by SakuXNaru View Post
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    are you slow?

    madara and obito are partners, why wouldnt madara leave his clone with obito, especially since madara was about to die anyway

    explain to me how zetsu knows about amaterasu but white zetsu doesnt



    im not about to keep repeating myself

    where is you're manga proof??? back yourself up now

    give me a link of sasuke using tsukuyomi while your at it
    Here you go, Sasuke using Tsukuyomi:


     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by SakuXNaru View Post
    :sy:
    are you slow?

    madara and obito are partners, why wouldnt madara leave his clone with obito, especially since madara was about to die anyway

    explain to me how zetsu knows about amaterasu but white zetsu doesnt



    im not about to keep repeating myself

    where is you're manga proof??? back yourself up now

    give me a link of sasuke using tsukuyomi while your at it
    Here you go, Sasuke using Tsukuyomi:


     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by SakuXNaru View Post
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    are you slow?

    madara and obito are partners, why wouldnt madara leave his clone with obito, especially since madara was about to die anyway

    explain to me how zetsu knows about amaterasu but white zetsu doesnt



    im not about to keep repeating myself

    where is you're manga proof??? back yourself up now

    give me a link of sasuke using tsukuyomi while your at it
    Here you go, Sasuke using Tsukuyomi:


     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundercles View Post
    Here you go, Sasuke using Tsukuyomi:


    that a sharingan genjutsu NOt tsukuyomi

    madara did it too
     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by SakuXNaru View Post
    that a sharingan genjutsu NOt tsukuyomi

    madara did it too
    Then why did he activate his MS to do it?
     
         

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    Re: Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundercles View Post
    Then why did he activate his MS to do it?
    because Ms has a stronger affect

    sasuke hasnt shown the ability to use tsukuyomi, yet they can use susano

    sasukes abilities are amaterasu and kagutsuchi
     
         

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