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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ero sennin jiraiya View Post
    Honestly i have no idea. If you couldn't figure it out, judging by your work here, i will have no chance haha.

    ***** btw good job on this!
    Heh, thanks! ^^
    Well, I do have some starting points to look over and I know it seems messy a bit, however, the thing is that the parallels come from here and there and I wasn't sure exactly where to start and where to end.
    Sorry if it looks that messy! :ghehe:
    But the general idea is that the symbols were pretty similar and that somehow, she is his strength and that in the end the symbols might have a connection and we're about to find out if it's like that or not. :D
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatte View Post
    Heh, thanks! ^^
    Well, I do have some starting points to look over and I know it seems messy a bit, however, the thing is that the parallels come from here and there and I wasn't sure exactly where to start and where to end.
    Sorry if it looks that messy! :ghehe:
    But the general idea is that the symbols were pretty similar and that somehow, she is his strength and that in the end the symbols might have a connection and we're about to find out if it's like that or not. :D
    This makes me wonder if the Haruno clan is distantly related to the SO6P. Look at Sakura, she is basically a young tsunade at this point, poised to perhaps surpass tsunade in the future.
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    ugh ... another thread about sakura ... cmon chatte , youre' looking to much in to this stuff .... sakura fangirl # 1 i get it ... im disappointed
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    did you actually found out those things....damn!! as much as I disagree and think it is a coincidence it is one hell of a work..
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    The outer circle of the Kurama seal is shaped like a football when it's open. Itachi's necklace is circles. There are more tomoe on his outfit than there are circles, maybe there's a Uchiha parallel. I don't know what point is being made, you didn't even say what your claims are so we don't know whatever it is you're trying to back up. Also Haruno isn't a ninja clan aren't Sakura's parents ordinary citizens? I haven't found any proof that it isn't but in my searches I also haven't found any proof that it is, either.
     
         
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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nub View Post
    I was about to applaud you on not making a Sakura thread for once then I skimmed down a bit and realized it was still one... Probably the biggest Sakura fangirl ever.
    exactly ...
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Its nice, I'm a narusaku fan so anything that connects these two makes me hopeful.

    I believe probably Kishi designed Sakura and Naruto to have connection on symbolistic level, I don't know if thats prove they'll be together.

    Sakura is Aries, and Naruto is a Libra, their zodiacs are direct opposite of each other on the board. Usually that means, that the complement each other, or complete each other.

    Also Aries is fire sign, and Libra is a wind sign. Air fuels fire, Naruto has helped Sakura grow, and at the same time Aries helps Libra put their ideas into action. Maybe a signal to Sakura telling Naruto "Don't lose to these guy" in chunnin exams, so Naruto can fulfill his dream (idea) of becoming Hokage.
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Well DUH, Sakura is a big part of the plot! I've thought for a long time now that toward the end of the manga, Naruto & Sasuke will stand together and save the world.Side effects of "world saving" are: mild case of death. But have no fear, Sakura-chan is here! *trumpets sound* and she saves the two boys she loves.... loves, but "not-like-that" love More than likely by giving them some of her life force or whatever.
    The symbolism is def there. Kishimoto could have made her symbol look like anything, but he chose a circle within a circle for a reason. Nice job Chatte :D
     
         
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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ero sennin jiraiya View Post
    This makes me wonder if the Haruno clan is distantly related to the SO6P. Look at Sakura, she is basically a young tsunade at this point, poised to perhaps surpass tsunade in the future.
    Pff, dunno what to say exactly. It's true that Kishi said that she has no dark secret, that she is a normal girl but maybe he changed his plans and decided to add something more to her?

    I mean, Haru no Sakura (how it should be read) means cherry blossom and Haruno means spring field. Funny enough Rin's last name, Nohara means field...

    Also connection with Toka Senju... happens that Toka means peach flower... Sakura's overall name is connected with flowers and the peach flower's color is pink.

    I mean, damn, too many "coincidences" with her. That's why I find it a bit hard to believe she's not going to play a big role at the end of the manga.

    But we should wait and see, nevertheless.

    Quote Originally Posted by labiancareality View Post
    ugh ... another thread about sakura ... cmon chatte , youre' looking to much in to this stuff .... sakura fangirl # 1 i get it ... im disappointed
    Well, excuse me, at least it's not inconsistent.
    You're free to do how many Hinata threads you want.
    Sheesh.
    This is a forum to discuss about whatever we want, so if I feel like discussing about Sakura, what's wrong with it?
    Really now... Geez, I can't be fan of someone, just because you guys don't like it?
    I'm getting disappointed also.
    This is a free site to talk about whatever we want as long as it respects some rules.
    Simple.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rand al'Thor View Post
    did you actually found out those things....damn!! as much as I disagree and think it is a coincidence it is one hell of a work..
    Yeap, a little bit of research here and there.
    Thanks, anyway!

    Quote Originally Posted by AaaaNinja View Post
    The outer circle of the Kurama seal is shaped like a football when it's open. Itachi's necklace is circles. There are more tomoe on his outfit than there are circles, maybe there's a Uchiha parallel. I don't know what point is being made, you didn't even say what your claims are so we don't know whatever it is you're trying to back up. Also Haruno isn't a ninja clan aren't Sakura's parents ordinary citizens? I haven't found any proof that it isn't but in my searches I also haven't found any proof that it is, either.
    I know about the tomoe and stuff and I find that Uchiha parallel and design as him and Sasuke would equal the Rikudo somehow.
    Well, I am not trying to back-up anything actually, I am trying to find exactly why that specific design as we know that Kishi isn't the type to do things without a reason.
    But meh, we'll see it until the end.
    LE: Now that you reminded me, Kishi drew Sakura's mom with 3 circles on her dress. , funny enough.
    We don't know if they're a clan or not cause they are represented someway as a clan with the design, however, we don't know much about it, just like how Minato's case is...We know nothing if Namikaze is a clan or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by labiancareality View Post
    exactly ...
    Exactly. Thing cleared on the previous post.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowBandit View Post
    Its nice, I'm a narusaku fan so anything that connects these two makes me hopeful.

    I believe probably Kishi designed Sakura and Naruto to have connection on symbolistic level, I don't know if thats prove they'll be together.

    Sakura is Aries, and Naruto is a Libra, their zodiacs are direct opposite of each other on the board. Usually that means, that the complement each other, or complete each other.

    Also Aries is fire sign, and Libra is a wind sign. Air fuels fire, Naruto has helped Sakura grow, and at the same time Aries helps Libra put their ideas into action. Maybe a signal to Sakura telling Naruto "Don't lose to these guy" in chunnin exams, so Naruto can fulfill his dream (idea) of becoming Hokage.
    Hmm, nice imput.
    I have seen the connections astrologically and I could write a whole essay as these zodiac things are my favourites, however I'm not going to do it lol.
    But I do like that imput of yours from the Chuunin exams.
    A nice other view over it.

    Quote Originally Posted by sammypt View Post
    Well DUH, Sakura is a big part of the plot! I've thought for a long time now that toward the end of the manga, Naruto & Sasuke will stand together and save the world.Side effects of "world saving" are: mild case of death. But have no fear, Sakura-chan is here! *trumpets sound* and she saves the two boys she loves.... loves, but "not-like-that" love More than likely by giving them some of her life force or whatever.
    The symbolism is def there. Kishimoto could have made her symbol look like anything, but he chose a circle within a circle for a reason. Nice job Chatte :D
    I kinda see that she will have a big plot-relevance more than in this war when Sasuke and Naruto will fight, as her revelation over everything and I have a lot of proofs to back this up.
    And probably, by that end she'll get her power-ups and everything.
    I don't think that Kishi designed her on that slug or with that slug over her shoulder for nothing.
    Not once he declared that he's fond of her.
    He knows that he's doing and when he's doing, in my opinion, even though sometimes we don't like it.
     
         
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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    It's a very nice find and explanation Chatte; however, I seriously doubt someone as daft as Kishimoto even noticed this.
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Quote Originally Posted by Strata Spartan View Post
    It's a very nice find and explanation Chatte; however, I seriously doubt someone as daft as Kishimoto even noticed this.
    Well, I am not the only one to notice this, I have discussed this with other people as well so..the thing is this, if normal people saw it, do you think is really a coincidence? Might be, but it happens that in Naruto, most of the times, nothing is a coincidence.
    We'll see in the end if I was right or wrong anyway...
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    I really don't know why you like Sakura so much.

    Kishi was just bored. This is not a conspirancy manga. When you invent symbols, icons and such, your imagination isn't infinite, you just take from images you already created to help you go faster. There's no big deal to that.
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Quote Originally Posted by Armathyx View Post
    I really don't know why you like Sakura so much.

    Kishi was just bored. This is not a conspirancy manga. When you invent symbols, icons and such, your imagination isn't infinite, you just take from images you already created to help you go faster. There's no big deal to that.
    Well, I have stated on other threads why I like her, so I don't think I should do it again.
    Yes, she's not visually appealing to anyone but it happens that the characters I like have a meaning behind.
    You say Kishi was bored...maybe. But how comes the other symbols on the cloak fit, why wouldn't this one fit?
    Just because it's Sakura's symbol?
    See, this is a thing with Naruto fandom, they're stuck on something and get judgemental that they can't get past that something.
    But it's ok, everyone is entitled to their opinion, anyway.
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    You have way too much free time. .
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrochimaruFan View Post
    You have way too much free time. .
    Yeah, I happen to be in vacation.
    Problem?
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Here is another possibility on the circle....note how Naruto's seal is the spiral that is closing off Kurama? Well we constantly see that throughout the series it is always like that except in 3 instances. The first is Naruto completely losing it against Pain, Kushina's birth, and Naruto in his Sage Cloak form.

    Now what do these three moments have in common....two things

    1. They all have the open circle
    2. They result in Kurama releasing his power.

    Now until Naruto befriended Kurama he still had a sealed swirl, but once he met the Other Biju and befriended Kurama he now has the Sage Cloak mode. The open circle represents that he is releasing the full power of Kurama, and symbolizes that they now four as one instead of Naruto closing him off to his subconcious. Also symbolizing his trust that Kurama isn't going to pull some fast one on him. A symbol of friendship/understanding.


    It is possible that Kishi is just making completely coincidental occurances as far as the circle goes?! Who knows as Kishi is the only one who knows for sure!

    His ability to provide not one, but multiple possible suggestions is what makes him a great writer dispute some minor flaws as no one is perfect
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Quote Originally Posted by KGB Kakuzu View Post
    Here is another possibility on the circle....note how Naruto's seal is the spiral that is closing off Kurama? Well we constantly see that throughout the series it is always like that except in 3 instances. The first is Naruto completely losing it against Pain, Kushina's birth, and Naruto in his Sage Cloak form.

    Now what do these three moments have in common....two things

    1. They all have the open circle
    2. They result in Kurama releasing his power.

    Now until Naruto befriended Kurama he still had a sealed swirl, but once he met the Other Biju and befriended Kurama he now has the Sage Cloak mode. The open circle represents that he is releasing the full power of Kurama, and symbolizes that they now four as one instead of Naruto closing him off to his subconcious. Also symbolizing his trust that Kurama isn't going to pull some fast one on him. A symbol of friendship/understanding.


    It is possible that Kishi is just making completely coincidental occurances as far as the circle goes?! Who knows as Kishi is the only one who knows for sure!

    His ability to provide not one, but multiple possible suggestions is what makes him a great writer dispute some minor flaws as no one is perfect
    This could be as well another view to it, indeed.
    However to me it's fishy that part heheh.
    But I guess in the end the only one who will unveil this reason will be Kishi.
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatte View Post
    Well, I have stated on other threads why I like her, so I don't think I should do it again.
    Yes, she's not visually appealing to anyone but it happens that the characters I like have a meaning behind.
    You say Kishi was bored...maybe. But how comes the other symbols on the cloak fit, why wouldn't this one fit?
    Just because it's Sakura's symbol?
    You can add as much meaning as you like to things. It just happens that something you like a whole lot holds a whole lot more meaning. Kinda like how people who are totally into stars and planets start adding meaning to patterns that they see and call it Astrology. Or people carving pentagrams in their kid's back because the date is 12/12/12 and that means it's a holy day. So..... which came first, noticing that the character had a lot of 'symbolistic' (lol @ that word) connections or liking the character, or has it become a sort of feedback loop where the more you see the more you like her and you see more and like her more and you see even more..... She has about as many meanings as any other character in the series and anyone who has paid as much attention to a different character would see just as much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatte View Post
    See, this is a thing with Naruto fandom, they're stuck on something and get judgemental that they can't get past that something.
    Hahaha look who's talking. (I seriously think you're projecting when you get to making statements like this.)
     
         
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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    This is quite good and an amazing amount of research. Well done. Please indulge the speculation. Here is what concerns me. The cloak comes from Kurama's chakra, which in turn came from So6P dividing up the Juubi's chakra. It wouldn't make sense for a Haruno ancestor's chakra to be in the mix. In a linear timeline, if the So6P had a wife and Sakura is the reincarnation he shouldn't be hurting for Chakra. How would it get there and how likely would it be for Kishimoto to expand upon that? However, if you consider a temporal loop theory (where the end is the begining), then this might actually represent a future sacrifice Sakura may make to save one or both of her comrades before the cycle begins anew, or perhaps she just get's blended in with the other two. Lord knows Kabuto did enough of this, it wouldn't be breaking new ground. If that is the case, then Kurama having a piece of Haruno inside would make perfect sense.
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Quote Originally Posted by AaaaNinja View Post
    You can add as much meaning as you like to things. It just happens that something you like a whole lot holds a whole lot more meaning. Kinda like how people who are totally into stars and planets start adding meaning to patterns that they see and call it Astrology. Or people carving pentagrams in their kid's back because the date is 12/12/12 and that means it's a holy day. So..... which came first, noticing that the character had a lot of 'symbolistic' (lol @ that word) connections or liking the character, or has it become a sort of feedback loop where the more you see the more you like her and you see more and like her more and you see even more..... She has about as many meanings as any other character in the series and anyone who has paid as much attention to a different character would see just as much.


    Hahaha look who's talking. (I seriously think you're projecting when you get to making statements like this.)
    You see, this is where you're wrong about me. When I said meaning behind, I wasn't referring at the mythological part as you would think.
    I was referring at the meaning behind her character, as connected to the human side of this manga.
    I already said that plenty times here on NB, so I really won't repeat myself.

    And with the second statement you didn't need to take it out of the context to make it fit your own statement, you know exactly what I was referring at.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gyakusetsu View Post
    This is quite good and an amazing amount of research. Well done. Please indulge the speculation. Here is what concerns me. The cloak comes from Kurama's chakra, which in turn came from So6P dividing up the Juubi's chakra. It wouldn't make sense for a Haruno ancestor's chakra to be in the mix. In a linear timeline, if the So6P had a wife and Sakura is the reincarnation he shouldn't be hurting for Chakra. How would it get there and how likely would it be for Kishimoto to expand upon that? However, if you consider a temporal loop theory (where the end is the begining), then this might actually represent a future sacrifice Sakura may make to save one or both of her comrades before the cycle begins anew, or perhaps she just get's blended in with the other two. Lord knows Kabuto did enough of this, it wouldn't be breaking new ground. If that is the case, then Kurama having a piece of Haruno inside would make perfect sense.
    Hmm, nice overview about that.
    I am kind of willing to research more on her symbol about this connection with heaven and earth and stuff, maybe this will bring a little light to the matter.
    As with that future sacrifice, to be honest, up to a certain extent I see it happening.
     
         
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