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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    If this had some connection, Kishi has long forgotten it. He can't even remember things he wrote 10 chapters ago, much less hundreds of chapters ago.
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Quote Originally Posted by EliteKakashi View Post
    If this had some connection, Kishi has long forgotten it. He can't even remember things he wrote 10 chapters ago, much less hundreds of chapters ago.
    Is that true or false? How many chapters afterwards did he reveal what the symbol of the Uzumaki was? 400+ chapters.
    Which direction he followed?

    First Uchiha, afterwards Uzumaki...now strangely enough we get this about Sakura's symbol?

    I might be right, I might be wrong, we will see.
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatte View Post
    Is that true or false? How many chapters afterwards did he reveal what the symbol of the Uzumaki was? 400+ chapters.
    Which direction he followed?

    First Uchiha, afterwards Uzumaki...now strangely enough we get this about Sakura's symbol?

    I might be right, I might be wrong, we will see.
    He hasn't said anything about the Haruno's clan symbol. Ever..that I recall, anyway. The symbol on Naruto's belly looking like it doesn't connect it. We only know of a single person in the Haruno clan, and that's Sakura. At this point, to make some long standing connection between the clan/kurama/etc would be a complete asspull by Kishi.

    He came out and even said he had pretty much forgotten about Sakura, all the attention went to Naruto and Sasuke. So given he's pretty much admitted himself that Sakura is no longer a main character in this manga(which given her lack of "screen" time, I think we can all agree upon), it would make a connection like that even weirder.

    I'm assuming this has something to do with the relationship BS that a lot of people rant about on here, but I don't care for any of that. And short of maybe the last chapter making mention of Naruto marrying someone or whatever, we'll never see a relationship in this manga, so I don't know why so many people get worked up over it. You're only going to be let down in the end, even if the relationship you prefer is the one he goes with.
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Quote Originally Posted by EliteKakashi View Post
    He hasn't said anything about the Haruno's clan symbol. Ever..that I recall, anyway. The symbol on Naruto's belly looking like it doesn't connect it. We only know of a single person in the Haruno clan, and that's Sakura. At this point, to make some long standing connection between the clan/kurama/etc would be a complete asspull by Kishi.

    He came out and even said he had pretty much forgotten about Sakura, all the attention went to Naruto and Sasuke. So given he's pretty much admitted himself that Sakura is no longer a main character in this manga(which given her lack of "screen" time, I think we can all agree upon), it would make a connection like that even weirder.

    I'm assuming this has something to do with the relationship BS that a lot of people rant about on here, but I don't care for any of that. And short of maybe the last chapter making mention of Naruto marrying someone or whatever, we'll never see a relationship in this manga, so I don't know why so many people get worked up over it. You're only going to be let down in the end, even if the relationship you prefer is the one he goes with.
    Oh, you're telling about that mysterious interview from 2012 that had questions from 2008, but re-worked answers only on the part with Sakura and introduced in the reworked version of 2012? It's not the first time I hear this.
    Well, then, if it's not your type than I guess we should agree not to go further with things, right?
    Since we don't share the same views, why keep it going?
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatte View Post
    Oh, you're telling about that mysterious interview from 2012 that had questions from 2008, but re-worked answers only on the part with Sakura and introduced in the reworked version of 2012? It's not the first time I hear this.
    Well, then, if it's not your type than I guess we should agree not to go further with things, right?
    Since we don't share the same views, why keep it going?
    I'm not sure what year the interview was from, but going off what we've been shown in the manga, I didn't have any reason to doubt it. The way he's wrote it since after Chiyo and Sakura fought Sasori is like he's forgotten about her. And he completely went back on her growing up and becoming an independent ninja(like she was in the fight vs Sasori) when he wrote in both Kakashi and Naruto having to save her from Sasuke. Don't quite understand what it is with Kishi and women in this manga. The only woman he's done any justice is Chiyo. Tsunade was pretty good in the fight vs Madara, but that was cancelled out by him turning Mei in to a coward.

    And how would I know what exact view you were trying to portray? You wrote it as if there was some connection between the Haruno clan's symbol and Naruto/Kurama, then snuck the bit in about Naruto/Hinata.
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Quote Originally Posted by EliteKakashi View Post
    I'm not sure what year the interview was from, but going off what we've been shown in the manga, I didn't have any reason to doubt it. The way he's wrote it since after Chiyo and Sakura fought Sasori is like he's forgotten about her. And he completely went back on her growing up and becoming an independent ninja(like she was in the fight vs Sasori) when he wrote in both Kakashi and Naruto having to save her from Sasuke. Don't quite understand what it is with Kishi and women in this manga. The only woman he's done any justice is Chiyo. Tsunade was pretty good in the fight vs Madara, but that was cancelled out by him turning Mei in to a coward.

    And how would I know what exact view you were trying to portray? You wrote it as if there was some connection between the Haruno clan's symbol and Naruto/Kurama, then snuck the bit in about Naruto/Hinata.
    What Naruto and Hinata did you see in my post? The fact that I said NaruHina fans will react in a certain way? Yes, they do... it's not the first time it happened, that's why I said it. Because people always overreact when it's about Sakura having any relationship with Naruto although it has been displayed in an entire manga (well, almost).

    And yes, that interview was at the beginning of 2012 when the questions were actually from the interview from 2008 and the answers were totally different.

    You see, this is it... In the first part of the manga he showed that she got some actual skills, afterwards he just continued to develop gradually her relationship with Naruto, but because it wasn't something flashy and no power-ups, it is overlooked.

    See, not everything is about power-ups in this manga. Hell, Naruto Shippuden's meaning can be resumed as Kishi himself said at: bonds.

    She has had her screen-time as a main character, however because of the complexity around her character, it was overlooked again.

    I am not going to go further into this as I know you, as well as many others, won't believe it. But as I said, it's your choice.

    That part with the saving from Sasuke was used as plot device, but of course people will still negate it.
    Has anyone though for a second what plot might've been if Sakura fought Sasuke there? How Naruto would've kept his little speech and everything?
    No, people all they see is fight fight fight fight fight. I get it, it's entertaining, but it's not only about fighting.
    This manga has also other layers and meanings.
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatte View Post
    What Naruto and Hinata did you see in my post? The fact that I said NaruHina fans will react in a certain way? Yes, they do... it's not the first time it happened, that's why I said it. Because people always overreact when it's about Sakura having any relationship with Naruto although it has been displayed in an entire manga (well, almost).

    And yes, that interview was at the beginning of 2012 when the questions were actually from the interview from 2008 and the answers were totally different.
    Well, what would be the point/meaning of the Haruno clan/Kurama seal/etc being connected? Why would Kishi leave the Haruno clan unknown short of 1 person in it then bring this out? Wouldn't it have been brought up by Kushina?

    You see, this is it... In the first part of the manga he showed that she got some actual skills, afterwards he just continued to develop gradually her relationship with Naruto, but because it wasn't something flashy and no power-ups, it is overlooked.

    See, not everything is about power-ups in this manga. Hell, Naruto Shippuden's meaning can be resumed as Kishi himself said at: bonds.

    She has had her screen-time as a main character, however because of the complexity around her character, it was overlooked again.

    I am not going to go further into this as I know you, as well as many others, won't believe it. But as I said, it's your choice.

    That part with the saving from Sasuke was used as plot device, but of course people will still negate it.
    Has anyone though for a second what plot might've been if Sakura fought Sasuke there? How Naruto would've kept his little speech and everything?
    No, people all they see is fight fight fight fight fight. I get it, it's entertaining, but it's not only about fighting.
    This manga has also other layers and meanings.
    Of course their relationship has developed. Naruto gradually developed a relationship with everyone throughout part 1 and shippuden, some more than others(Sakura, Sasuke, Kakashi, Iruka, Tsunade, Jiraiya, etc) and eventually the entire village came to accept him, especially after defeating/stopping Nagato.

    And no, she hasn't had screen time as a main character. No one really has other than Naruto, Sasuke and Itachi in Shippuden, with the arc thrown in there for Shikamaru/Asuma. She, like Kakashi, Gai, Lee, Neji and every other "main" character from part 1 were pretty much shunned. No, they weren't kicked out of the story, but as far as any real character development, and I'm not just talking for fighting, there was none. Kakashi got thrown in to the Kakuzu/Hidan/Shikamaru/Asuma arc just as a way to keep Chouji and Ino from getting killed vs Kakuzu, and finally came the Pain rapes Konoha arc where we got a slight glimpse at a bit of his past by seeing his father.

    And I'm aware it was a "plot device". However, the way Kishi wrote it was a complete 180 for Sakura's character. She was no longer supposed to be the one who cried and got in the way. Kishi didn't have to write it to make her look useless. It just furthered that all he cares about anymore is Naruto/Sasuke(as far as the Konoha 11/part 1 relevant characters go). It's a shame that he went from part 1, having pretty much every character involved and all playing a vital role one way or the other to this, but it is what it is.
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Yamato said Sakura has strong feelings for Naruto.:D
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Tbh i barely read this after i saw sakura, but
    There not even the same circles, narutos one has another circle around it and then a line leading up to his head.

    Im not saying they wont end up together but if this is the evidence your using to support your theory then its just plain wrong. Sides, its more likely lee and sakura will end up together and then hinata with naruto
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    nah thats just a coincidence



    btw i am pretty sure that kishi is giving us extremely strong hints that sakura would end up with darui [IMG]http://www.*****************/images/smilies/series2/kruemelmonster.gif[/IMG]
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Will good job putting all that together but it's still not because of Sakura clan symbol look kinda like the symbol on the naruto kyuubi symbol in his belly means she will end up with him or she may be close to the so6p to make it short and sweet its only a clan symbol that appeared to be kinda like the symbol to the naruto kyuubi symbol in his belly that's all no need to go to far but good job finding all that
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    I think you are clutching at straws tbh, linking far fetched idea's with possible 'symbols' which could mean something. I admire your observation however people have done stuff like this since the beginning of time trying to predict and analyse patterns and in the end it has never worked.
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    while i don't like the way your points went, the amount of info you found out is commendable, so well done

    btw, the belly area is where the solar plexus or the main chakra source is
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    I'm a NaruSaku fan, so maybe my thoughts are biased.

    I'll be honest, at first, with the whole "Sakura's Clan Symbol" to "Kurama and Naruto Mode", I thought it was just and advantageous coincidence that us NaruSaku fans could abuse

    However, you really convinced me with the interconnection of chakra and strength coming from the belly, and then, coincidentally, Sakura appears as a genjutsu from Naruto's belly.

    Besides, they complement each other so well! Heaven and Earth! Stamina and Intelligence!

    Great thread!
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatte View Post
    Well, I have stated on other threads why I like her, so I don't think I should do it again.
    Yes, she's not visually appealing to anyone but it happens that the characters I like have a meaning behind.
    You say Kishi was bored...maybe. But how comes the other symbols on the cloak fit, why wouldn't this one fit?
    Just because it's Sakura's symbol?
    See, this is a thing with Naruto fandom, they're stuck on something and get judgemental that they can't get past that something.
    But it's ok, everyone is entitled to their opinion, anyway.

    I'm not a fan of Naruto himself I actually like other characters much more, like Orochimaru, Tsunade, Sasuke and such.

    Sakura clan's symbol fits in but then again you can also find links between other symbols in the manga. It's not that they're there on purpose, it's mostly that whenever Kishi invents new symbols, characters, landscapes or whatever, he needs a source of inspiration for them.

    It's like saying Madara is actually Raditz from Dragonball just because they both have long, spiky dark hair. Or Obito being a Uzumaki just because his old mask had the form of a spiral (a recurring form in the series for other things than just his mask).

    I think you are just seeing what you want to see in things that aren't necessarily there.
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Who's to say that any of these symbols have anything to do with romantic destiny. IRL there are tons of people who make up awesome teams in various fields where the members compliment each other in order to do the best job but they are already married to other people. Some good examples might be the male and female lead singers of a band.

    How much history and development Naruto and Sakura have had together is irrelevant. In my own case I've had a number of male friends who I knew for a long time who have even confessed, and I might have even had crushes on one or two of them, but I ended up dating a guy I only knew for a month and eventually marrying. I know that might not make much sense but that's how love sometimes goes and that's how it went for me.

    The members of Team 7 were put together because their talents form a well-rounded team, and they are professional ninjas. Of course the characters compliment each other well, they were designed to support each other's strengths and make up for each other's weaknesses. Naruto's costume has circles all over it, but it also has tomoes, if those are to represent Sakura, well Sasuke's in there too if you count the tomoe. If Sakura coming out of Naruto's stomach is significant, Sasuke also came out of part of Naruto's face encompassing one of his eyes which is where he keeps the tomoe. If the symbolism thing were true it can also be interpreted that the destinies of all three of them are connected.

    I don't think that the symbolism is exclusively about Sakura.

    When Sakura was gazing happily at Naruto after their last encounter with Sasuke it was because he restored her hope that Team 7 might be together again one day. I'm guessing she wants the team together again not just because she loves him but because his absence has become a burden on the team. She is rather bothered by all the burdens Naruto has had to carry.

    They really had a tough time adjusting to Sai and adding him was probably the best the village could do to fill the vacancy. Though the added burden may be having the beneficial side-effect of allowing them to grow because you have to still be able to do your job under any circumstance.

    So, I don't see what symbolic connections or how complimenting each other has to do with romantic destiny or marriage or anything. There is definitely a case where clan lineage led to a destined union and that's Ino-Shika-Cho so I guess you could use that to back up an argument that it happens. However, it is not of the romantic type.
     
         
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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Great find but even without it, I was sure her role would be a big one. Seriously... *hugs Chatte*
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    I shall now bash my head against the keyboard:


    Ok, I know you will hate me for this, I know you will call this bullshit, I know you'll call me crazy.
    That's why, I am making a call to those ones who are reasonable persons.

    So, I've noticed this since Naruto in Kurama mode appeared, but I didn't said anything before just because I know some fans would jump in my head... HOWEVER, after researching a bit, I came with some back-up to my claims.

    Behold! .

    As we all know, this is Naruto in Kurama mode costume.





    Now, where have we exactly seen the filled round shape?





    Ram, pam, pam...

    Now, to make it a bit more clear...

    Naruto Kurama mode, once again...





    Haruno symbol.





    And once again Kurama mode Naruto...





    Now, before calling me crazy or anything, let's remember some things here and there about Sakura.

    As we know, at the beginning when Kishi was explaining us about chakra he shows to us that it originates from the belly area, and coincidence or not, the one to explain to Naruto is none other than Sakura.





    So basically he is saying that he inner strength comes from the belly area, the chakra. Also, later on, Kishi introduces the idea that true strength comes when you are protecting someone you care about. When Naruto fought Gaara, Sakura was the source of his strength all throughout the fight.
    If you're saying to me that it's not true, let us remember this:




    You would say at this time, nah, it's coincidence! But I wonder, is it?... How comes that when Itachi puts Naruto in genjutsu, symbolistically Sakura appears exactly from his belly?




    I would say that this along with the fact that Sakura's clan symbol is on his belly seems VERY intentional to Kishi.

    Also, symbolistically, Kushina's seal has a similar appearance during Naruto's birth.




    Now I know all NH fans will jump in my head, but let's face it, Kushina is similar to Sakura so for once, please, just let your hatred home and let's be rational.

    Before saying it has nothing to do with it, it is a simple drawing, let's not forget this: the markings of the Sage's necklace near Naruto's throat that reminds us of Itachi's necklace and coincidentally or not, Itachi's Susano'o as well as Madara's happen to hold that necklace.




    So, what do you guys think it might mean? Around here and there, I found that Sakura's clan (?) symbol would mean something like a chinese symbol of the duality between heaven and earth and the connection between both.

    Now, we know that in part 1, Iruka symbolistically called Naruto (earth) and Sakura (heaven).




    Also, funny enough... Naruto is a city, in Tokushima... Guess what symbol has? The Uzumaki symbol within the Haruno circle...




    Also, funny enough, there's this food called Narutomaki(curiously enough, resembles Ramen).




    Narutomaki (鳴門巻き/なると巻き?) or naruto (ナルト/なると?) is a type of kamaboko, or cured fish surimi produced in Japan. Each slice of naruto has a pink ( ) or red ( ) spiral pattern, which resembles the Naruto whirlpools ( ) in the Naruto Strait between Awaji Island and Shikoku in Japan.

    Oh, about the belly thing, I reminded one thing more, in his fight over Kurama's chakra, guess who was helping him and through what area this battle was held? (sorry if it sounded weird) Yes, the belly.




    Isn't funny enough that before that, in Pein arc, as his seal was broken, Naruto's Uzumaki symbol was breaking, transforming itself into a circle with that black hole inside, similar to the Haruno symbol?




    So, what do you guys think?! Coincidence or not? We know Kishi doesn't add things for nothing...

    Do you know something more that could complete this enigma?

    Let's discuss.

    But may I remind you, be polite! Any intent for flaming will be reported to the mods!
    Thank you!

    IN CONCLUSION:




    Don't you find this extremely similar?
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    The reason I can't get behind this theory is because you are basing the entirety of your idea off a clan symbol that has only been shown once to my knowledge. Obviously Sakura's clan has not been given any importance as of yet in the manga. I feel that Kishi abandoned the idea of making her clan important ages ago.

    Again, I feel that since you based this theory off a clan and idea that Kishi obviously abandoned long ago, than I cannot get behind it.
     
         

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    Re: Prepare to be... mindblown! Kishi's subtle hints?

    Quote Originally Posted by Silverblade View Post
    On a second thought. This thread made me think..

    What if Sakura holds a piece to Rikudo Sennin. ..

    Tenten pick up one.................
     
         

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