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    Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    Finally a true test for an artist such as myself. Let me begin by telling you why I wish to learn kenjutsu.
    Well I feel like being a master swordsman is a valuable asset in close combat fights. Not only thhat the art of using a sword is just as sweet as eating candy for it is exhilarating.

    What I know about kenjutsu is that it is much more than just bringing a sword into battle it is about a sword being an extension of yourself and using your experience in close combat to fully grasp the effects of a true battle. I find this kenjutsu is the most purest of forms of fighting, and tai jutsu but that is weapon less. Feeling a blade flowing with your body and soul is the fullest effect of a true master of the blade.

    My weapon of choice will be kensei muguruma's Tachikaze short blade as seen in most pics will provide pic if you would like to see. As stated in my bio I carry a short 6" blade with the name of tachikaze.
     
         
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    Re: Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    Quote Originally Posted by Roju View Post
    Finally a true test for an artist such as myself. Let me begin by telling you why I wish to learn kenjutsu.
    Well I feel like being a master swordsman is a valuable asset in close combat fights. Not only thhat the art of using a sword is just as sweet as eating candy for it is exhilarating.

    What I know about kenjutsu is that it is much more than just bringing a sword into battle it is about a sword being an extension of yourself and using your experience in close combat to fully grasp the effects of a true battle. I find this kenjutsu is the most purest of forms of fighting, and tai jutsu but that is weapon less. Feeling a blade flowing with your body and soul is the fullest effect of a true master of the blade.

    My weapon of choice will be kensei muguruma's Tachikaze short blade as seen in most pics will provide pic if you would like to see. As stated in my bio I carry a short 6" blade with the name of tachikaze.
    Nice

    I know what it looks like - It's like a knife in its shikai form. So, you prefer the use of a knife? Or a wakizashi? (His zanpakuto is a Wakizashi in its sealed form)

    Since you gave a nice response from the get-go, we'll move right along. Tell me, what is the difference between a One-Handed and a Two-Handed Slash besides the obvious?
     
         

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    Re: Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mockingbird View Post
    Nice

    I know what it looks like - It's like a knife in its shikai form. So, you prefer the use of a knife? Or a wakizashi? (His zanpakuto is a Wakizashi in its sealed form)

    Since you gave a nice response from the get-go, we'll move right along. Tell me, what is the difference between a One-Handed and a Two-Handed Slash besides the obvious?
    Yeah I love kensei's blade will probly added a whip like weapon for rojuro.

    Well one handed attack's are not as powerful as two handed attacks. But one handed sword attacks can be used faster and can create advantages easier by using different angles of attack. Where as two handed attacks are more direct in where you are going to slash and where your next attack can go. Also there are plenty of difference stances to go along with one handed slashes and two handed.
     
         
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    Re: Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    Quote Originally Posted by Roju View Post
    Yeah I love kensei's blade will probly added a whip like weapon for rojuro.

    Well one handed attack's are not as powerful as two handed attacks. But one handed sword attacks can be used faster and can create advantages easier by using different angles of attack. Where as two handed attacks are more direct in where you are going to slash and where your next attack can go. Also there are plenty of difference stances to go along with one handed slashes and two handed.
    Underlined = Accurate ^_^
    Bold = Inaccurate
    Bold and Underlined = Not a comparison

    A One-Handed Slash is not as fast, nor as powerful as a Two-Handed slash, however, it offers more maneuverability and is easier to chain consecutive attacks. Conversely, a Two-Handed Slash is faster and more powerful than a One-Handed, however, it offers less maneuverability and isn't as easy to chain consecutive attacks after.

    Questions?
     
         

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    Re: Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    No that's kinda what I was trying to say just was trying to use different words. Shoulda just stuck to a simple answer.
     
         

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    Re: Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    Quote Originally Posted by Roju View Post
    No that's kinda what I was trying to say just was trying to use different words. Shoulda just stuck to a simple answer.
    All's good

    So, try performing a One-Handed Horizontal Slash on this training dummy. Make sure to state which hand your using, the direction of your slash, and where precisely your hitting the dummy.

    *Sets up a training dummy and hands you a bokken.*
     
         

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    Re: Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    Rojuro sets up his stance left hand slash form and proceeds to take action standing in front of the dummy i slash towards the dummy from the top left side of the dummy down to the right foot of the dummy. thus performing a full slashing motion that continues and flows all the way through in one motion. can also be done from the bottom upwards in the same manner.
     
         

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    Re: Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    Quote Originally Posted by Roju View Post
    Rojuro sets up his stance left hand slash form and proceeds to take action standing in front of the dummy i slash towards the dummy from the top left side of the dummy down to the right foot of the dummy. thus performing a full slashing motion that continues and flows all the way through in one motion. can also be done from the bottom upwards in the same manner.
    That wasn't a bad demonstration, however;

    That was more of a Diagonal Slash, not a Horizontal slash
    And when you attack, you're more often going to be aiming for your opponents upper body or mid section. If you want to disable their legs (which is a good idea) you'd have to transition into a lower stance prior.

    Try and perform a Horizontal slash this time. It should follow this path (--->) the path your sword follows should move along the x axis, or parallel to the ground.
     
         

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    Re: Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    Rojuro stands half a meter away from the test dummy wooden sword in left hand. Ready to strike rojuro takes one step and slashes the dummy from left to right across the chest section of the dummy. Then proceeds to hold the sword in the guard postionas it always is a good idea to guard after attacking just to be sure the enemy does not counter and you leave yourself wide open for the counter attack.


    Thanks fr correcting me master bird.
     
         

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    Re: Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    Quote Originally Posted by Roju View Post
    Rojuro stands half a meter away from the test dummy wooden sword in left hand. Ready to strike rojuro takes one step and slashes the dummy from left to right across the chest section of the dummy. Then proceeds to hold the sword in the guard postionas it always is a good idea to guard after attacking just to be sure the enemy does not counter and you leave yourself wide open for the counter attack.


    Thanks fr correcting me master bird.
    No problem, and nicely done - Now, try a One-Handed Vertical Slash
     
         

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    Re: Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    Standing infront of the dummy using my left hand on my scabbard and proceed to raise raise my arm up and strike straight downwards onto the dummy striking the dummy from the nose down through the middle of the chest in one swinging motion. Can also be done going from the bottom while striking up as well.
     
         

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    Re: Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    Moving on, do you know what a stab is, and how it can be useful in combat?
     
         

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    Re: Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    A stab should be a straight thrust with a blade. Useful in rp well really any stab is more deadly then lets say just cutting because you are forcing a blade into a body instead of swinging a blade. Also twist the blade too do more damage just like in the real world.
     
         

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    Re: Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    Quote Originally Posted by Roju View Post
    A stab should be a straight thrust with a blade. Useful in rp well really any stab is more deadly then lets say just cutting because you are forcing a blade into a body instead of swinging a blade. Also twist the blade too do more damage just like in the real world.
    Right. It differs from a slash of cut in that stabs generally move perpendicularly to or directly into the opponents body. Stabs are quick but do not carry much force behind them, and are not very powerful. However a well placed hit can easily kill (Well placed as in a vital point, and there are several, though they are generally aimed at the mid section). Stabs can also be done one handed or two handed.

    If you need clarification or have any questions about it, now would be the time to ask. Otherwise, move on to performing and demonstrating a stab for me on the training dummy that I assume I placed here several months ago.
     
         

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    Re: Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    Rojuro takes out his Sakanade from its sheath and proceeds to stand in front of the training dummy by drawing my hand straight back and thrust it forward into the dummy's stomach I utilize the stab aspect of wielding my blade. For purposes unknown I twist my blade and pull it out, this time I stab once more at the dummy but this time in the heart I draw back my arm and direct the blade t the dummy's heart sliding it in. I draw Sakanade back and proceed to sheath my sword.
     
         

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    Re: Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    Quote Originally Posted by Roju View Post
    Rojuro takes out his Sakanade from its sheath and proceeds to stand in front of the training dummy by drawing my hand straight back and thrust it forward into the dummy's stomach I utilize the stab aspect of wielding my blade. For purposes unknown I twist my blade and pull it out, this time I stab once more at the dummy but this time in the heart I draw back my arm and direct the blade t the dummy's heart sliding it in. I draw Sakanade back and proceed to sheath my sword.
    Remember that stabs should be quick so you don't always have to twist your sword. Makes it sound like you have a vendetta, and your sword isn't a Bowie knife, so the additional damage isn't as significant as you might like; If you're gonna twist it, you might as well wiggle it around and drag it across your opponents body. Paint a real bloody picture.

    By the way, you should be using a bokuto for practice *Hands you one in place of your sword.*

    Now earlier we established what the difference was between a One-Handed and Two-Handed Slash. So now I'd like for you to perform and demonstrate a Two-Handed Horizontal Slash.
     
         

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    Re: Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    Rojuro grabs the plain bakuto and grimaces bah this is not gonna kut anything oh well. Takes my stance and grabs the sword with two hands gripping firmly I raise the bakuto over my head and slice downwards with serious force from using two hands. The dummy falls to the ground face first from being hit with such force, I then pick him back up and place him back in the ready to take position ( no not bent over).
     
         

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    Re: Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    Quote Originally Posted by Roju View Post
    Rojuro grabs the plain bakuto and grimaces bah this is not gonna kut anything oh well. Takes my stance and grabs the sword with two hands gripping firmly I raise the bakuto over my head and slice downwards with serious force from using two hands. The dummy falls to the ground face first from being hit with such force, I then pick him back up and place him back in the ready to take position ( no not bent over).
    What you did there good sir, was a Vertical Slash. Remember, horizontal slashes follow the 'x-axis.' You should be swinging your sword from right to left or vice-versa. You made a similar mistake months ago, earlier in this same session but that's fine considering I've been away for some time. I do have an issue with your reply though.

    What I'm asking you to do is not so that you "learn" how to execute all of these maneuvers. Once the maneuver and purpose of said maneuver has been explained, it's pretty easy to get your head around;Theoretically, you'd be able to learn everything without ever having to post. The point of what I'm asking of you is to see how well or how poorly you describe the motions, giving me an idea of how you'd perform them in battle and how easy or difficult it'll be for your opponent to interpret what you're doing. What you're giving me isn't so much wrong as it is half-assed. Considering how un-motivated I am to teach anybody right now, reading your replies is really starting to grind my gears.

    Now try again. Describe yourself performing a Two-Handed Slash as if you were in a fight.
     
         

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    Re: Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    Rojuro grips his wooden sword with both hands tightly left hand below his right hand on the hilt of the sword he takes stance but 2 feet from the training dummy and proceeds to stay on the balls of his feet while doing this I slightly bend my knees, place my left foot backwards slightly and proceed to extend my arms out from myself to the left with blade in hands. With precise swinging motion of the blade I cleanly and fluently trace my blade across the dummy's stomach finishing the motion of the blade all the way to the right side, twisting my form as I do so, this motion would cleanly cut out the entrails from the stomach leaving acids and stomach fluids spilling out. My apologies master I realize now I have made the same mistake as before, I shall not put you through reading such horror again. I am aware there is an art to these form and that being descriptive should come first, you may punish me however you like.

    With that Rojuro kneels down on one knee and bow's his head to show a sign of respect and lost dignity while also remembering that the way of the sword is a noble method passed down through the generations.
     
         

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    Re: Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    Quote Originally Posted by Roju View Post
    Rojuro grips his wooden sword with both hands tightly left hand below his right hand on the hilt of the sword he takes stance but 2 feet from the training dummy and proceeds to stay on the balls of his feet while doing this I slightly bend my knees, place my left foot backwards slightly and proceed to extend my arms out from myself to the left with blade in hands. With precise swinging motion of the blade I cleanly and fluently trace my blade across the dummy's stomach finishing the motion of the blade all the way to the right side, twisting my form as I do so, this motion would cleanly cut out the entrails from the stomach leaving acids and stomach fluids spilling out. My apologies master I realize now I have made the same mistake as before, I shall not put you through reading such horror again. I am aware there is an art to these form and that being descriptive should come first, you may punish me however you like.

    With that Rojuro kneels down on one knee and bow's his head to show a sign of respect and lost dignity while also remembering that the way of the sword is a noble method passed down through the generations.
    47 points. Bowing in respect to your master is nothing to be ashamed of; Though your reply was better.

    Now describe yourself performing a Two-Handed Vertical Slash.
     
         

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    Re: Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    Rojuro no longer kneeling down stands back up and proceeds to pull out the bakuto once again. I analyze the task and proceeds to stand in front of the training dummy giving himself enough lunging distance as well. I begin by gripping my hilt left hand above the right hand and proceed to lift my blade above my head, I then proceed to step forward slightly bending my lead leg while swinging my arms down across the dummy's shoulder. I remember to follow through with the slice and end the swing at my right side of my body down by my right foot. I then proceed to put my bakuto back by my side and turn around to face my master standing politely at attention .
    hopefully this one as well was to your liking I shall acknowledge any critiques for I am the student and your knowledge is most needed at this time.
     
         

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    Re: Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    Quote Originally Posted by Roju View Post
    Rojuro no longer kneeling down stands back up and proceeds to pull out the bakuto once again. I analyze the task and proceeds to stand in front of the training dummy giving himself enough lunging distance as well. I begin by gripping my hilt left hand above the right hand and proceed to lift my blade above my head, I then proceed to step forward slightly bending my lead leg while swinging my arms down across the dummy's shoulder. I remember to follow through with the slice and end the swing at my right side of my body down by my right foot. I then proceed to put my bakuto back by my side and turn around to face my master standing politely at attention .
    hopefully this one as well was to your liking I shall acknowledge any critiques for I am the student and your knowledge is most needed at this time.
    Yosh, good. And now onto lunges. Before I give my explanation, do you know what a lunge is? If so, try to describe it to the best of your ability and I'll go off of what you say.
     
         

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    Re: Ken,training with master mock ing bird.(roju)

    1
    Set up a dummy in a rather open space (outside is best).
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    Find a wooden sword.
    3
    Stand a two or three paces from the dummy, with your feet a shoulder-width apart and the sword in the "ready" position (blade pointed away from you, at about 60-75 degrees).
    4
    Bring the sword to about 0 degrees (approx) and twist your body so that the sword is roughly parallel to your torso.
    5
    When your ready, push the sword away from you, twisting your body for extra force. Make sure you lean in as you strike (extra force).
    6
    As you do lunge, twist the sword in your hands (takes practice). In a real battle, this will make sure the blade stabs properly.
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    Pull back on the sword, twisting back to its former position as you do so. If you're fighting someone in real life, you need to twist the blade as you remove it, otherwise you'll encounter suction which will make your attack messier than it needs to be. Don't forget to twist your body back as well.


    Well I have found these steps online but would like to add that lunging in rl is more of an exercise method use for strengthening certain leg muscles such as a quadriceps. Now by adding in sword play and clean sword movements a person can perform lunging sword attacks by also using somewhat of a double lunge effect, ie your legs and also your arms.

    This method has been shown lots in bleach by the likes of ikkaku and other spear user's Lisa yadomura. It is more often seen by spear users but has been adapted to sword fighting as well.

    One could even go so far as to say it was used in the world wars with there rifles which had small bayonetes on them for stabbing an enemy if they could not reload fast enough, they were also seen lunging with these.
     
         

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