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    Another plothole...

    In the Pain arc Nagato uses Rinne Tensei to revive all the Konoha victims. We see Konan thinking how doing the jutsu at his remaining chakra levels will kill him, implying that had he had more chakra he could have survived. Here's the page:



    And this is what we find out in chapter 614. Obito says he will die if he tries to revive Madara.



    Clear plothole. Konan implies Nagato would have survived and Obito says he would die. And don't start with the Nagato was an Uzumaki mumbo jumbo so he could have survived because Obito has Hashirama's cells.

    Anyway, I made my point. Thanks for reading.
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole...

    Because Kishi made another PNJ on purpose. Since he's Uzumaki and as we know they can survive the death of loosing their bijuu so why not RT either. I thought it was obvious .
     
         
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    Re: Another plothole...

    Tldr answer; Obito aint an Uzumaki
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole...

    Quote Originally Posted by MrSimple View Post
    Because Kishi made another PNJ in purpose. Since he's Uzumaki and as we know they can survive the death of loosing their bijuu so why not RT either. I thought it was obvious .
    No, we don't know. Just because Kushina was alive 5 minutes after the extraction on Kurama, it doesn't mean she would have definitely survived. And as I said, Obito has Hashirama's cells which is pretty much equal of being Uzumaki as they are relatives.
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole...

    well i know ur not gonna like it but yes nagato was an uzumaki with both rinnegan.. as obito has only half the rinnegan aswell as only having half of hashirama's cells .. there is probally limitations on obito which we do not know of yet
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole...

    Because Konan is sexy
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole...

    possible mistranslation
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole...

    Because Madara > Leaf Village
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole...

    The only plot hole i see is.in your brain lol xD
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole...

    japanese class really needed here critically
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole...

    may be bcos RT will affect the user with respect to the time of death of the person he is trying to revive

    even Nagato couldn't revive Jman ..... he said sumthing like there is some restrictions to it
    its bcos Jman died way before the konoha invasion

    similarly since madara died like some decades ago it'll need very large amount of chakra i.e resusting in obito's death
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole...

    it just the dead in the ville were only dead for at most an hour and they did not need as much to get them back compare to someone that has been dead for 20+yrs, pain also said he colud only bring back the dead villagers or he would have brought back jman if he could it was only 1 week from when he deid
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Uchiha View Post
    may be bcos RT will affect the user with respect to the time of death of the person he is trying to revive

    even Nagato couldn't revive Jman ..... he said sumthing like there is some restrictions to it
    its bcos Jman died way before the konoha invasion

    similarly since madara died like some decades ago it'll need very large amount of chakra i.e resusting in obito's death
    Very good point
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole...

    An Uzumaki with their strong life force can always do a bit more then a non Uzumaki ..

    I guess it's because of that, that Nagato managed to revive whole Konoha
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Uchiha View Post
    may be bcos RT will affect the user with respect to the time of death of the person he is trying to revive

    even Nagato couldn't revive Jman ..... he said sumthing like there is some restrictions to it
    its bcos Jman died way before the konoha invasion

    similarly since madara died like some decades ago it'll need very large amount of chakra i.e resusting in obito's death

    there could be different reasons but this one is a good one. I don't think it's a plot hole dude.
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole...

    Also remember that Obito kept saying Nagato was going to sync with the statue. And Obito stated that a few times after Nagato's betrayal to him.

    This may also have something to do with why Obito would die. RT + Sync with statue.

    Not sure, but don't be so quick to yell plothole :\
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirikoe View Post
    well i know ur not gonna like it but yes nagato was an uzumaki with both rinnegan.. as obito has only half the rinnegan aswell as only having half of hashirama's cells .. there is probally limitations on obito which we do not know of yet
    Having only half of Hashirama's cells doesn't matter. If that was the case Kakashi would be unable to use the sharingan because he has no Uchiha DNA.
    I'm also pretty sure it doesn't matter if he has only one rinnegan because he was still able to summon the Gedo Mazo and control the six Edo Jinchuuriki. But I guess this could be argued, we simply can't know right now.


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    Because Konan is sexy
    The best answer so far. :D

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    Nope. Anime confirms it.

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    Because Madara > Leaf Village
    Another genius answer...

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    The only plot hole i see is.in your brain lol xD
    Clap clap clap. Have a cookie.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Uchiha View Post
    may be bcos RT will affect the user with respect to the time of death of the person he is trying to revive

    even Nagato couldn't revive Jman ..... he said sumthing like there is some restrictions to it
    its bcos Jman died way before the konoha invasion

    similarly since madara died like some decades ago it'll need very large amount of chakra i.e resusting in obito's death
    Although this is the most plausible theory, I'm not sure that reviving the whole Konoha would be any easier or survivable task than reviving just one person that is dead 15 years.
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole...

    There may be 1000 explanations, but if you scream plot hole, it means you are too stupid to see just 1 of them. That is your problem bro...

    A hint: Nagato died cause he used up too much chakra.
    What if reviving someone who died 20 years ago, takes up even more chakra, thus it kills you?

    Just a possibility among hundreds..
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole...

    Maybe Konan was wrong? Maybe it is a sacrificial jutsu...thats the only thing I can think of right now.
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole...

    i think the uzumaki answeris the only possible xplanation at present.
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole...

    My question is why didn't Nagato just revive Yahiko since it is possible to revive someone who died long ago like Madara. What makes Madara so special?
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole...

    Nagato used much chakra before doing that reviving jutsu so has obito been using his chakra for quiet some time now it is possible that obito might die too it was not stated any were that senju have super chakra like the uzumak.i i no whats confusing you just cause hashi heeals him self or regenerate his cells does not mean he replinish chakra as well uzumaki are the only ones mentioned to have much chakra not senju they is not PNJ
     
         
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    Re: Another plothole...

    Quote Originally Posted by Talal View Post
    My question is why didn't Nagato just revive Yahiko since it is possible to revive someone who died long ago like Madara. What makes Madara so special?
    your question is good too cause afterall it only yahiko nagato could have still survive it
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole...

    Quote Originally Posted by thegame View Post
    There may be 1000 explanations, but if you scream plot hole, it means you are too stupid to see just 1 of them. That is your problem bro...

    A hint: Nagato died cause he used up too much chakra.
    What if reviving someone who died 20 years ago, takes up even more chakra, thus it kills you?

    Just a possibility among hundreds..
    I love when noobie users call me stupid. Way to go on disproving my thread.
    Here is a hint for you. Madara survived for so long because the Gedo Mazo was giving him chakra. What makes you think the Juubi can't do the same? Also, Madara as and Edo has infinite chakra, if it was that easy he could have given some to Obito so he wouldn't die.


    Quote Originally Posted by Talal View Post
    My question is why didn't Nagato just revive Yahiko since it is possible to revive someone who died long ago like Madara. What makes Madara so special?
    Because all this Rinne Tensei thing doesn't make any sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by BEASTLY NARUTO View Post
    Nagato used much chakra before doing that reviving jutsu so has obito been using his chakra for quiet some time now it is possible that obito might die too it was not stated any were that senju have super chakra like the uzumak.i i no whats confusing you just cause hashi heeals him self or regenerate his cells does not mean he replinish chakra as well uzumaki are the only ones mentioned to have much chakra not senju they is not PNJ
    Yeah, because you don't need huge reserves of chakra for fighting Madara and the 9-tails at the same time. Because spamming with wood techniques is a piece of cake. Also, read what I wrote to that genius thegame about his chakra levels.
     
         

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