[Theory] I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

[★Sir Derp Obito]

oh ok!!! I just remember hearing his body was found in he river or something!! But if he had no trace then I would say he is alive....that or the scroll has Edo tensei information that concerns Shisui

Yep, and as I've stated many times "when an uchiha is said to have died without seeing it with your eyes, he is most probably alive."

Obito,Madara,Shisui: Uchiha men who all said to have died, they never saw them die, they just said they die without witnessing it, turns out Obito and Madara are alive, Shisui maybe too.

[UchihaBrothers]

Very nice theory, but only time will. Also how'd you get that book??

[★Sir Derp Obito]

Very nice theory, but only time will. Also how'd you get that book??

You can actually order it online but it hasn't been translated yet, I speak and read Japanese so it wasn't a problem for me, if you're interested I can pm you the link where to buy it online.

[UchihaBrothers]

You can actually order it online but it hasn't been translated yet, I speak and read Japanese so it wasn't a problem for me, if you're interested I can pm you the link where to buy it online.

no need to, I have no money haha. But thanks anyway and thanks for the reps:D

[TheWillofFire]

Wow yes that makes sense

I consider Shisui the Naruto of Uchiha

If Sasuke were to meet with shisui then he would be able to relate to Naruto more.

And the fact that suigetsu a water ninja finds a scroll about shisui, a water suicide ninja.

[★Sir Derp Obito]

Wow yes that makes sense

I consider Shisui the Naruto of Uchiha

If Sasuke were to meet with shisui then he would be able to relate to Naruto more.

And the fact that suigetsu a water ninja finds a scroll about shisui, a water suicide ninja.

I do remember a previous interview with kishi that naruto and sasuke will meet during the war, he said during and not after the war, its not at all impossible for Sasuke to confront Madara and Obito.

[thegame]

Still Itachi had MS before the massacre, so he probably just hid/destroyed the body..

Another thing is, what can Shisui really tell Sasuke that he doesn't already know? Itachi told him everything... However, a guy like Izuna could tell him many things.

A. Was his eyes really stolen, or did he give them to Madara.

B. What was his wishes for Madaras usage of the eyes.

C. What does he think about the Uchiha being part of a village, and what did it mean to bring peace to the clan.

D. What about Madaras current plan.

The scroll also contains Madaras DNA. This allows the usage of the summoning contract to edo tensei, thus Madara will be summoned to where Sasuke is. This also explains, why the scroll is the key to take control over the war. And it explains, why it's a "them".

Sasuke will talk to him, and later fight him. Why else did Kishi not show any MS techs from Madara? Obviously they need to be shown in the first ever EMS vs EMS fight. Also why didn't Kishi show the Kages battle against perfect Susanoo? Well obviously cause he wants to save that as well.
This is something that Kishi has received more criticism for than ever, but if his reason is to show a perf susanoo vs perf susanoo, I think that critic will vanish with ease.

This is also the only way that can give the shinobi alliance an actual chance to beat the Juubi. Madara needs to disappear, he is too skilled to let some low rank shinobi destroy his plan.

[uhIpooped]

To what Seig said about the scroll changing the war to their favor ... I havent heard 1 suggestion the the scroll may be an EDO summons for the entire Uchiha clan... They were the most feared in battle... makes more sence to me than just Shisui ... Anyways good theory

[AaaaNinja]

Hey if you're wondering about the use of "them" in the dialog "Why do you want to meet them." I looked at the raw. It's ambiguous the first time that they say it (the second time is just Suigetsu repeating Sasuke said "What do you mean blahblahblah?") The word that was translated as "human being" in one of those two instances can also be used for person/people/humans/human being, so the plurality is ambiguous. When Sasuke and Orochimaru start talking about it, they use a pluralizer, so they are definitely talking about more than one person.

[★Sir Derp Obito]

Shisui also had MS before he "died" though how Shisui obtained it was not revealed yet, did Shisui murdered a close friend in order to get it? it wasn't explained, like I said my theory is flexible, either Sasuke wants to Edo Tensei Shisui so he can learn his point of view of what happened to the Uchihas, or he could be alive and Sasuke wants to seek him out and the Edo Tensei will be used on Fugaku so Sasuke can hear both sides of the story.

Also I don't think that by only killing a close friend or relative an Uchiha is able to obtain the Mangekyo, Obito gained his after witnessing Kakashi killed Rin, so it's possible that immense psychological trauma is sufficient to awaken it.

[cptenn94]

First, Suigetsu finds Sasuke, he tells him that he has found a scroll that has power for them to turn the tide of the war and allow them to dominate, some put forward that the scroll can unlock the reaper death seal, allowing Sasuke to meet the Hokages, but it seems to be a problematic theory because:

a. suigetsu may not possibly know about the reaper death seal, orochimaru knows it and shared the info with kabuto, but someone of meager intelligence and questionable loyalty would not have possibly been shared that info. from Orochimaru.

b. suigetsu seems to be familiar with the purpose of the scroll, if we accept the premise that suigetsu is unaware of the nature of the reaper death seal, then it's only safe to assume that the scroll has a jutsu that is familiar even to a mere personal mercenary of orochimaru: Edo Tensei.

c. even if we assume that the scroll contains a way to unseal the souls inside the reaper, then the question arises: why didnt orochimaru used it earlier since the soul part of his arms is sealed within the reaper and part of his power within it, surely he would have immediately acted upon it if he had a way to take it back but he didnt.

4 Next, suigetsu objects the need to revive orochimaru saying that Sasuke can just learn to use the scroll by himself, again we highlight suigetsu's familiarity with the scroll, if it is a scroll to unseal the death reaper, then the jutsu itself is unique and one of a kind without the assurance of success since Oro was the only one in the story who was attacked by the reaper and survived (because hiruzen was too weak to completely take oro's soul) if this is a brand new unique jutsu written in the scroll, then its improbably for suigetsu to suggest that Sasuke learns to use the power of the scroll by himself.

it is safe to assume that the jutsu in the scroll is familiar to suigetsu for him to suggest sasuke learn to use it by himself, and since the purpose of the scroll is "to meet someone" there can be only one jutsu with the capability of doing that: Edo Tensei.

A. Agree, how would a lowly prisoner know about the rds? I think that it is on the scroll, or something that mentions to rds

B.Possible, but again suigetsu apparently knows that oro was not strong enough, because he didnt have his arms, and that they were sealed in the rds. What is on the scroll could be a special edo tensei, or a way to bypass, or undo the rds(my theory is to gain a sould you must give a soul, so like a soul sxchange in the rds)

C.That is the only real flaw in the arguement that it is the hokages but i suppose he was still developeing it, or that he wanted sasukes body first.

4. Suigetsu seems to randomly be familiar with rds all of a sudden. When sasuke first said he beat oro, suigetsu, if he knew about the rds, wouldve likely have said " so what, you only beat him when he had his hands tied behind his back(lol literally))
the fact that after he read the scroll he then starts to say that sasuke only beat oro because oro had his arms sealed in rds, pretty much states that what is one the scroll involves rds.

The only thing shown with suigetsu thinking sasuke could learn to use it, in no way implies that suigetsu is familiar with a technique, just that it is a difficult technique, and diffeicult techniques take time, and sasuke doesnt want to wait.



The issue with the "singular and plural" ones who know everything, can be explained by sasuke mentioning a group(singular) and oro mentioning the people in the group(plural)

the one who knows everything
the hokage which knows everything

why do you want to meet them
why do you want the meet the hokages

youre other point is shishui, had a similar mindset as itachi. There is a name for this mindset, and it is the will of fire. Who better represents the will of fire, than the hokages....



essentially good thread, but honestly there is heavy foreshadow, that something to do with the rds will be involved, which would mean the hokages...

im open to being wrong, i am simply going with this opinion based off of what i have seen in the manga, and the foreshadow. there are more facts to support it being the hokages than there are for any other canidate. That is a fact. Whether those facts are just there to mislead us, only time will tell.


good thread though, nice sig

[★Sir Derp Obito]

A. Agree, how would a lowly prisoner know about the rds? I think that it is on the scroll, or something that mentions to rds

B.Possible, but again suigetsu apparently knows that oro was not strong enough, because he didnt have his arms, and that they were sealed in the rds. What is on the scroll could be a special edo tensei, or a way to bypass, or undo the rds(my theory is to gain a sould you must give a soul, so like a soul sxchange in the rds)

C.That is the only real flaw in the arguement that it is the hokages but i suppose he was still developeing it, or that he wanted sasukes body first.

4. Suigetsu seems to randomly be familiar with rds all of a sudden. When sasuke first said he beat oro, suigetsu, if he knew about the rds, wouldve likely have said " so what, you only beat him when he had his hands tied behind his back(lol literally))
the fact that after he read the scroll he then starts to say that sasuke only beat oro because oro had his arms sealed in rds, pretty much states that what is one the scroll involves rds.

The only thing shown with suigetsu thinking sasuke could learn to use it, in no way implies that suigetsu is familiar with a technique, just that it is a difficult technique, and diffeicult techniques take time, and sasuke doesnt want to wait.



The issue with the "singular and plural" ones who know everything, can be explained by sasuke mentioning a group(singular) and oro mentioning the people in the group(plural)

the one who knows everything
the hokage which knows everything

why do you want to meet them
why do you want the meet the hokages

youre other point is shishui, had a similar mindset as itachi. There is a name for this mindset, and it is the will of fire. Who better represents the will of fire, than the hokages....



essentially good thread, but honestly there is heavy foreshadow, that something to do with the rds will be involved, which would mean the hokages...

im open to being wrong, i am simply going with this opinion based off of what i have seen in the manga, and the foreshadow. there are more facts to support it being the hokages than there are for any other canidate. That is a fact. Whether those facts are just there to mislead us, only time will tell.


good thread though, nice sig

i understand your position but Suigetsu mentioned that the scroll will allow them to change the tide of the war and dominate meaning only the jutsu contained in the scroll is needed to gain dominance, however if the power in the scroll really is a way to break the death reaper seal then that raises the question? is it enough to change the tide of the battle? wouldnt thebunsealing of the hokages soul also require edo tensei to use them in battle? its one thing to unseal them its another to edo tensei them and suigetsu didnt seem to be concern with the need to do Edo Tensei which none of them know how to use, wouldnt that require them and Sasuke to learn to use two powers? Reaper Unseal and Edo Tensei? Suigetsu's words seem to imply that the scroll he has is all thats needed. that with it they can rule the world, but if the scroll releases the hokages in thebreaper, they would still need to learn edo tensei, and there was no mention of needing two jutsus for them to rule the world, at least accdg to suigetsu.

[Moe22]

Yeah I really want to see Shisui. Well maybe Orochimaru knows some jutsu to take someone to the afterlife, which might be the light we saw, and the reason Sasuke needs him. I hope there he meets the fallen Uchiha Clan. Kagami Uchiha. Shisui Uchiha. Fugaku Uchiha. Izuna Uchiha. I want to see all of them!!!

[★Sir Derp Obito]

Yeah I really want to see Shisui. Well maybe Orochimaru knows some jutsu to take someone to the afterlife, which might be the light we saw, and the reason Sasuke needs him. I hope there he meets the fallen Uchiha Clan. Kagami Uchiha. Shisui Uchiha. Fugaku Uchiha. Izuna Uchiha. I want to see all of them!!!

Yeah me too, also if you notice the upper left panel of this page after Sasuke was thinking of Itachi he was then thinking of Shisui

[NarutoKage2]

As you can guess from my ava, i'm a big fan of Shisui but i'm not sure its him. Because:

1. Oro said 'why do you want to meet them. As in two people, its likely they are connected, Shisui and Fugaku don't seem to fit. More importantly, Oro knew it was those 2 people just by looking at the scroll, meaning its not just about Sasuke's questions(who is itachi, what is a clan etc).
2. Someone like Shisui who gave everything for konoha, might very well try and confront Sasuke and force him to stop from attacking the leaf via genjutsu. Don't think kishi is gonna let Sasuke be put under mind control.

[★Sir Derp Obito]

As you can guess from my ava, i'm a big fan of Shisui but i'm not sure its him. Because:

1. Oro said 'why do you want to meet them. As in two people, its likely they are connected, Shisui and Fugaku don't seem to fit. More importantly, Oro knew it was those 2 people just by looking at the scroll, meaning its not just about Sasuke's questions(who is itachi, what is a clan etc).
2. Someone like Shisui who gave everything for konoha, might very well try and confront Sasuke and force him to stop from attacking the leaf via genjutsu. Don't think kishi is gonna let Sasuke be put under mind control.

I don't think Shisui can use that on Sasuke unless he is revived by Edo Tensei and even if he was made an Edo he would still be under the summoner's control, also if we assume Shisui is indeed alive he will not be able to use that genjutsu since he no longer has any eyes, plus I'm not keen with the idea of the scroll unsealing the Reaper Death Seal because:

a. The Hokages will be Edo Tensei'd

b. Orochimaru will get his arms back

c. Yin Kurama will be released and heaven forbid Sasuke becomes the Jinchuuriki of Yin Kurama.

Not to mention the unsealing will invalidate the sacrifice of the third and fourth hokage in sealing oro's arms, the first and second hokage and the yin kurama. They died in vain if the Reaper Death Seal was undone.

[NarutoKage2]

I don't think Shisui can use that on Sasuke unless he is revived by Edo Tensei and even if he was made an Edo he would still be under the summoner's control, also if we assume Shisui is indeed alive he will not be able to use that genjutsu since he no longer has any eyes, plus I'm not keen with the idea of the scroll unsealing the Reaper Death Seal because:

a. The Hokages will be Edo Tensei'd

b. Orochimaru will get his arms back

c. Yin Kurama will be released and heaven forbid Sasuke becomes the Jinchuuriki of Yin Kurama.

Not to mention the unsealing will invalidate the sacrifice of the third and fourth hokage in sealing oro's arms, the first and second hokage and the yin kurama. They died in vain if the Reaper Death Seal was undone.

Wait, what? When did i say anything about undoing the reaper death seal? I don't agree with that bs fan made theory, i just have'nt really gotten into the whole 'who is the person who knows everything' debate. Also, you forget one important point. The only reason Sasuke would want to meet Shisui would be so that he could talk to him. When the caster controls the edo, the revived person's consciousness vanishes like what happened with Nagato. Or if its done incompletely its still risky and it does'nt fit for there to be a second person connected to Shisui on the scroll.

Btw, if he were revived as an edo tensei Shisui would have his eyes. Have you forgotten that Obito took Nagato's rinnegan and Sasuke took Itachi's eyes yet both Nagato and Itachi had their eyes when revived as edo tenseis.?

[★Sir Derp Obito]

Wait, what? When did i say anything about undoing the reaper death seal? I don't agree with that bs fan made theory, i just have'nt really gotten into the whole 'who is the person who knows everything' debate. Also, you forget one important point. The only reason Sasuke would want to meet Shisui would be so that he could talk to him. When the caster controls the edo, the revived person's consciousness vanishes like what happened with Nagato. Or if its done incompletely its still risky and it does'nt fit for there to be a second person connected to Shisui on the scroll.

Btw, if he were revived as an edo tensei Shisui would have his eyes. Have you forgotten that Obito took Nagato's rinnegan and Sasuke took Itachi's eyes yet both Nagato and Itachi had their eyes when revived as edo tenseis.

Even if you don't wipe out the Edo's personality they still cannot break control and turn against their summoner, only Itachi was able to really turn against Kabuto because of Shisui's eyes on the crow used on him, but Edos even when their personality is intact cannot harm their summoners. and I'm aware that Edo's possess the abilities they had in life, but I'm clarifying the fact that they can't go against their masters, they may voice displeasure over their reincarnation or give hints to the enemies to defeat them but in no way can they harm those that summoned them. So no Shisui cannot harm or Kotoamatsukami Sasuke.

[Moe22]

Yeah me too, also if you notice the upper left panel of this page after Sasuke was thinking of Itachi he was then thinking of Shisui

If I remember correctly Itachi showed him the events leading up to and during the Uchiha massacre...

[Honord Sage]

Sasuke is travailing to the past to see all the events first hand that lead to Uchiha Massacre thus showing Sasuke all the guilty parties involve.

[vincaocao]

Holy crap man I've never thought about that, I hope it's Shishui though!

[SageoftheoneWay]

I think you are assuming too much to begin with that messes with the rest of the theory. For example, you said Suigetsu probably isn't familiar with the reaper death seal, but if you read Naruto 593 you will find that he does know. Word of advice: Make sure you take all collective information before making a theory.

[★Sir Derp Obito]

Holy crap man I've never thought about that, I hope it's Shishui though!

I hope so too

[narutoblitz]

Oh come on guys, the idea of Naruto beating Edo Madara has always been absurd. He can't even stop Obito with 3 people helping him. Sad to say but all living Uchiha are currently far, far more powerful than Naruto or Bee.

[★Sir Derp Obito]

Oh come on guys, the idea of Naruto beating Edo Madara has always been absurd. He can't even stop Obito with 3 people helping him. Sad to say but all living Uchiha are currently far, far more powerful than Naruto or Bee.

Shisui could change Sasuke's mind and defend the village.