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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

    What about the possibility of it being Izuna? Or both? What do you think of that
     
         

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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

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    What about the possibility of it being Izuna? Or both? What do you think of that
    There's a slight possibility too but I don't think Izuna would be relevant to Sasuke's questions since he died before the founding of Konoha, remember Sasuke was also asking "what is a village?"
     
         

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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

    possible
     
         

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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

    You have done an excellent job with this thread, heres some rep for you. (i don't give out rep unless it's 100% deserved)

    If i had to pick i would say that Shisui is alive and won't be re-animated.
     
         

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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

    Quote Originally Posted by Tagen View Post
    You have done an excellent job with this thread, heres some rep for you. (i don't give out rep unless it's 100% deserved)

    If i had to pick i would say that Shisui is alive and won't be re-animated.
    Thanks, glad you liked it
     
         

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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

    i can never take you seriously because of your retarded-looking Obito avatar.
     
         

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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

    The only people able to know the truth MIGHT be:

    hiruzen sarutobi
    Under his reign the massacre occured, he wasn't against the uchiha. Might be him ?

    shisui Uchiha
    obviously, enough theories about

    kagami uchiha
    little information is known about him

    Izuna uchiha
    Brother of madara, was said to have died, and dont think its him

    Fugaku Uchiha
    Itachi & Sasuske's father, he should know a lot, he was leader of the Uchiha clan soooo...

    So to me Hiruzen, Fugaku and Kagami are most likely.

    But i like your deduction

    Update: Forgot that 'them' was obviously stated, so maybe it is Fugaku and his wife Mikoto.
     
         
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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

    Madara / Obito

    or the Hokages

    Karin, Suigetsu and Juugo will be used as sacrifices to bring the dead back. (If "them" Oro mentioned are dead people.)

    Shisui? Hell no. Nice try OP.
     
         

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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

    I agree, and I think that Shisui should make an appearance somehow, it would be such BS for him and his eyes to have so much hype, and for him to not even appear.
     
         

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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

    not bad, but just so you know it isn't "only" Shisui that fit the description of the boy in the dream you mentioned. Madara also fits that description and in some ways more so, "The single witness who saw the rise and fall" Sounds WAY more like Madara who founded the clan and then watched their "end" as they bowed down to Senju rule.

    People think the fall meant literally the extinction during the coup, but to Madara the "fall of the Uchiha" would be when they forsake the ideals he believed in and he thought his clan believed in. Also, it's becoming more and more suspect that Madara doesn't want or care for having Obito as a partner and it feels as if Madara is trying to find a way to eliminate Obito from the equation and what better way than to use someone else.

    One thing I was confused about however was, so far in the manga or anime I can't think of anyone turning into crows/ravens except for Itachi.
     
         

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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

    could be, however you're missing an important point: the scroll was kabuto's, and kabuto practically creamed himself at the sight of KA. if he had access to shishui don't you think he would have found a way to ET shishui? remember that madara didn't have his eyes when he died yet was resurrected with them anyway.

    that said, shishui and jiraiya not being resurrected is definitely fishy given jiraiya's dna was all over the place especially. so i wouldnt be too surprised they're alive, shishui's body was never found after all.
     
         

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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

    Quote Originally Posted by celebrei View Post
    After analyzing the manga and reading the novel about Sasuke and the application of Occam's Razor, I think I figured out who "the one who knows everything" is: Shisui Uchiha.

    First, Suigetsu finds Sasuke, he tells him that he has found a scroll that has power for them to turn the tide of the war and allow them to dominate, some put forward that the scroll can unlock the reaper death seal, allowing Sasuke to meet the Hokages, but it seems to be a problematic theory because:

    a. Suigetsu knows that Orochimaru's arms were sealed by RDS, but the question arises? if they were able to release the souls of those inside the reaper's belly, will they be able to use it without Edo Tensei? so RDS unseal by itself cannot allow them to "rule the world" because it's one thing to unseal souls its' another to reanimate them.

    b. Suigetsu seems to be familiar with the purpose of the scroll, if we accept the premise that suigetsu's scroll is not to break the RDS, then it's only safe to assume that the scroll has a jutsu that is familiar even to a mere personal mercenary of Orochimaru, his and Kabuto's greatest source of military power: Edo Tensei.

    c. Even if we assume that the scroll contains a way to unseal the souls inside the reaper, then the question arises: why didnt orochimaru used it earlier since the soul part of his arms is sealed within the reaper and part of his power within it, surely he would have immediately acted upon it if he had a way to take it back but he didnt.

    Next, suigetsu objects the need to revive orochimaru saying that Sasuke can just learn to use the scroll by himself, again we highlight suigetsu's familiarity with the scroll, if it is a scroll to unseal the death reaper, then the jutsu itself is unique and one of a kind without the assurance of success since Oro was the only one in the story who was attacked by the reaper and survived (because hiruzen was too weak to completely take oro's soul) if this is a brand new unique jutsu written in the scroll, then its improbable for Suigetsu to suggest that Sasuke learns to use the power of the scroll by himself.

    it is safe to assume that the jutsu in the scroll is familiar to suigetsu for him to suggest sasuke learn to use it by himself, and since the purpose of the scroll is "to meet someone" there can be only one jutsu with the capability of doing that: Edo Tensei.

    now that we have established the jutsu of the scroll and sasuke's intended purpose and his necessity of reviving orochimaru to use it, we shall identify the person who Sasuke wants to meet:

    In the bottom panel you will read that Sasuke wants to meet someone who had the similar experience and sentiments as Itachi's



    There is only one person who endured the same thing that Itachi did, one who, despite his name being marred, and himself dying, continue to care about Konoha and wants to protect it. It is Shisui:

    "Shisui was perplexed that the clan would not deter from the coup d'etat that they were planning and about the consequences that would follow their actions. He told Itachi that he had tried to use Kotoamatsukami to stop them, but Danzō Shimura stole his right eye, adamant on protecting the village his own way. Fearing that Danzō would get the other one as well, Shisui entrusted the other to Itachi telling him to protect the village and the Uchiha name. In order to prevent conflict from arising over his eyes within the clan"

    Sasuke asks:

    a. what is itachi? the answer is most probably shisui since they had the same experience and mindset

    b . what is a clan? the uchiha clan, why shisui chose to both protect the uchiha and konoha knowing full well the animosity and hatred the clan has for the village, why choose both sides instead of siding with one

    c. what is a village? konoha, it is this village that itachi and shisui showed undying loyalty even in the face of shame.

    And finally and the greatest proof that the one who knows everything is Shisui, an excerpt from chapter 1 of Sasuke's novel, the dream that Sasuke had:

    "Sasuke is dreaming. He's standing in a dark forest. There's a red moon in the sky. Weird beasts try to attack him. He throws a kunai at them and they disperse into dozens of ravens. Then, a young masked boy appears. The boy and Sasuke exchange words. The boy questions Tobi's motives. "Why didn't Tobi tell you about Itachi earlier? If he had, you wouldn't have had to kill him. It's clear Tobi wanted to make your hatred grow." It seems the boy wants Sasuke not to trust Tobi. Sasuke asks if this is a dream. The boy neither denies nor affirms this. He says they're at the bottom of Sasuke's consciousness. The boy's last words are: "Remember: I am you, I am Itachi, I am the single witness who saw the rise and fall of the Uchiha Clan." The boy disperses in countless ravens and the dream ends."


    You can see he is clearly not Itachi in the dream, he says to Sasuke :

    "Why didn't Tobi tell you about Itachi earlier? If he had, you wouldn't have had to kill him. It's clear Tobi wanted to make your hatred grow."


    Then he goes on and says:

    Remember: I am you, I am Itachi


    He is not claiming to be Itachi himself, but that he is like Itachi (in mindset and beliefs) and he is also like Sasuke (being both of the Uchiha clan) only Shisui fits the characteristics of this person in the dream.

    Now that we have established that Shisui is the one who knows everything, the most probable scenario is that Sasuke and Orochimaru will go to Konoha to obtain any remaining DNA sample of Shisui to revive him with Edo Tensei, though it is stated that Shisui left no corpse behind during his suicide, it is possible that Danzo who took one of Shisui's eyes could have also stored some remaining DNA of Shisui stacked up somewhere in Konoha, where Sasuke and Oro will find it may come from two sources:

    a. either the two elder of the konoha council

    b. the remnants of the foundation

    UPDATE!!:

    I understand that Orochimaru uses the plural "them" instead of "him/her" if it was only one person, if that is the case then:

    a. it is a mistranslation from the original japanese and was intended to be singular

    or

    b. Sasuke actually wants to meet with more than one people

    if we accept premise b. then the explanation is:

    The possibility also arises that Shisui may not have died at all, and went into hiding after his apparent "suicide" from what we learned from Obito, anyone in the manga who we did not see die but was only stated to have died was in fact alive, examples:

    1. madara was said to have died - he was alive after his battle with hashirama

    2. obito was said to have died under that rock - he was actually saved by madara.

    3. shisui was said to have committed suicide - he may not have actually committed suicide as no corpse was left behind.

    4. Nagato and Konan were thought by Jiraiya to have died - they were actually alive.

    If Shisui is alive then the Edo Tensei will be used on some other Uchihas possibly Fugaku, Sasuke may want to talk to both Fugaku and Shisui, then the reason for Sasuke going to Konoha has two reasons then:

    1. Sasuke will go to his father's grave and acquire his dna in order to reanimate him so he can learn the truth.

    2. obtain information on the whereabouts of Shisui


    PS: The Sasuke Novel is The "Thunder Chronicles - The Day when the Wolf Howle" written by Akira Higashiyama and illustrated by Masashi Kishimoto himself.

    UPDATE 2:

    I would also like to point out another reason why Sasuke will not meet the Hokages:



    In the upper left panel Sasuke wants to find the answer to the questions:

    What was Itachi....?
    Our Clan....?
    The Village....?

    Sasuke wants to know the truth about their clan, The Uchiha Clan and I doubt the Hokages can give intimate details regarding the truth and nature of their clan since the Hokages are outsiders to the clan, they may give their personal views about the Uchihas but they are still outsiders, they did not experience first-hand what the Uchihas felt, and what drove them to do what they did. So it's more probable that Shisui Uchiha can provide Sasuke the answer.

    Sasuke asking the Hokages the truth and nature of their clan is like asking your neighbor about the truth and nature of your family, you're neighbor can only give opinions, not inside information and not first-hand accounts.
    Yes But as far as some of your proof for shishui "I am you, I am Itachi" that deffinatly sounds like some one that was his dad or related at least but i do think we will see shishui again but as far as people saying madara i will say there is almost no chance
     
         

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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

    It is a nice theory except in shisuis short life and in sasukes dads short life it is unlikely that they have the answers or no all it is much more likely that madaras brother is the 1 who knows all about the uchiha
     
         
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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

    Quote Originally Posted by jr tyrael24 View Post
    It is a nice theory except in shisuis short life and in sasukes dads short life it is unlikely that they have the answers or no all it is much more likely that madaras brother is the 1 who knows all about the uchiha
    He doesn't even know what a shinobi village is because he died before they were even founded.
     
         

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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

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    He doesn't even know what a shinobi village is because he died before they were even founded.
    That's true it does technically eliminate izuna from being the person that sasuke going to see but shisui can't be the 1 who knows all and sasukes father in no way knows any valuable info or has wworlddominance capabilities. .what is a clan and what is a village you don't have to b in sasukes clan to understand the question of wat is a clan.u kno who else would know the importance of clan and village besides shisui. The hokage. And who.an take over the world. The hokage.. and who are plural. The hokage. I really hope its shisui but look at it....... shisui cant rule the world. Hes 1 genjutsu user. And he has a massive cooldown time on his genjutsu.
     
         

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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

    Regarding the use of the term "them," is it possible that "them" was used as a gender-neutral singular pronoun, like singular they? Or can someone who speaks/reads Japanese verify that "them" was used in a plural context?
     
         

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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

    Shisui taught Itachi that "self-sacrifice… a nameless shinobi who protects peace from within its shadow…" was the true mark of a shinobi.

    This phrase is very suspicious...
     
         

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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

    I suspect the same. But of course, the entire theory is grounded on whether or not there was a mistranslation.

    Good thread/use of facts.

    Edit: Now that I think about it, when Kabuto went nuts trying to get Shisui's eye to resurrect him, one could say that it was an allusion; the guy is a legend, gets *this* close to being Kabuto's Edo, but all hope is believed to be lost when Itachi torches his last eye.
     
         
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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

    Quote Originally Posted by jr tyrael24 View Post
    That's true it does technically eliminate izuna from being the person that sasuke going to see but shisui can't be the 1 who knows all and sasukes father in no way knows any valuable info or has wworlddominance capabilities. .what is a clan and what is a village you don't have to b in sasukes clan to understand the question of wat is a clan.u kno who else would know the importance of clan and village besides shisui. The hokage. And who.an take over the world. The hokage.. and who are plural. The hokage. I really hope its shisui but look at it....... shisui cant rule the world. Hes 1 genjutsu user. And he has a massive cooldown time on his genjutsu.
    He isn't saying that the scroll is Shisui, but that it will lead or bring Sasuke to him, in the same way that Suigetsu hints that the manner of the scroll will put the user in power.
     
         

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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased King View Post
    I suspect the same. But of course, the entire theory is grounded on whether or not there was a mistranslation.

    Good thread/use of facts.

    Edit: Now that I think about it, when Kabuto went nuts trying to get Shisui's eye to resurrect him, one could say that it was an allusion; the guy is a legend, gets *this* close to being Kabuto's Edo, but all hope is believed to be lost when Itachi torches his last eye.
    thanks for the rep, my theory could go either ways so its flexible.
     
         

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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

    Now that I think about it, you do have me wondering about every single Uchiha's death. For some odd reason, every time they mention a particular Uchiha's death, it's not something anybody has witnessed personally and it's not like anybody can give proof of it. Izuna 'died at some point during battle, after giving Madara his eyes'. Shisui's body is no where to be found. Obito was just left there to die, but we didn't really see his body... This is unlike Jiraiya or Neji, who while dying had last words or thoughts and whose eyes we saw losing light and all.

    And I would personally like it if it was Oh-so-cool Shisui, after all, any man that has Itachi's respect has to be almost a God. As for the theory itself, I think it's well backed up, though I personally think "them" can stand for more than two. Maybe either Shisui or Fugaku or both are included in this "them", but I wouldn't discard the possibility of there being other people... NEW people. Why does it have to be always people from the past? A new character would also be interesting, no?
     
         

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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

    Quote Originally Posted by L Lawliet View Post
    Now that I think about it, you do have me wondering about every single Uchiha's death. For some odd reason, every time they mention a particular Uchiha's death, it's not something anybody has witnessed personally and it's not like anybody can give proof of it. Izuna 'died at some point during battle, after giving Madara his eyes'. Shisui's body is no where to be found. Obito was just left there to die, but we didn't really see his body... This is unlike Jiraiya or Neji, who while dying had last words or thoughts and whose eyes we saw losing light and all.

    And I would personally like it if it was Oh-so-cool Shisui, after all, any man that has Itachi's respect has to be almost a God. As for the theory itself, I think it's well backed up, though I personally think "them" can stand for more than two. Maybe either Shisui or Fugaku or both are included in this "them", but I wouldn't discard the possibility of there being other people... NEW people. Why does it have to be always people from the past? A new character would also be interesting, no?
    theres always the possibility its a new character but I dont think its feasible story wise to introduce a new character so late in the series, Kishi always injects prominent backstories to char. who will later play significant roles in the story.
     
         

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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

    Quote Originally Posted by Derp Obito View Post
    theres always the possibility its a new character but I dont think its feasible story wise to introduce a new character so late in the series, Kishi always injects prominent backstories to char. who will later play significant roles in the story.
    You know, you have a very valid point there. Though I guess it all comes down to what do we believe it's right to do for a Manga that has come all the way to this position. Because of my experience reading One Piece, I guess I kinda felt that Naruto wouldn't be hurt if another character joins the fray... But it's also truth that, as you imply, Naruto is more like a straight forward series, constantly lineal. It doesn't expand endlessly like One Piece. So yeah, maybe it would be quite the Double Edged weapon to bring about a new character.

    Then again, we're having so much of a handful with these Uchihas, that I almost feel like the Clan wasn't slaughtered at all. If even after Sasuke was supposed to be about the only one from this Clan, we end up meeting Itachi, then Madara and then Obito and all of them make a mess of the series, as in, changing the course I thought it would have. Nobody expected Itachi being "good", Madara being brought back and not being the Masked Man, and the Masked Man being actually Obito, and an "evil" one at that. Okay, yeah, many of us exepected those things, but we wouldn't have imagined they would actually happen.

    Seriously, Shisui is too cool, but if there's even ANOTHER Uchiha after that, people (not me, I like them) will start the hate. It can't be helped... I guess? Well, there's even people who are stupid enough to hate Naruto despite the fact that the series are named with his name. And haters always find the dumbest reasons for that.
     
         

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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

    I really hope youre right. I think it would be pretty cliche it it ended up being SO6P.
     
         

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    Re: I think I figured out who Sasuke will meet

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    I really hope youre right. I think it would be pretty cliche it it ended up being SO6P.

    Pray that i am right
     
         

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