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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Quote Originally Posted by blackstar9 View Post
    Go back and read it yourself .And pay attention when you do . You will find in sasuke and madara case when they use genjutsu its called sharingan genjutsu . Never has it been called tsukiyomi by the author of the manga. When sasuke and itachi used genjutsu during the kabutomaru fight . In itachis panel it says tsukiyomi . In sasukes panel it sayus sharingan genjutsu. There is no need to call the jutsu two different names if its the same jutsu .
    I did. And you are being a retard right now. In that fight, it does not say Sharingan genjutsu... It says nothing. But you will notice that his MS is activated and his eye, the one that casted the genjutsu is strained... That is clear enough evidence that it was a MS tech..not a goddamn Sharingan tech. Jesus i am talking to a ****ing wall.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundercles View Post
    I did. And you are being a retard right now. In that fight, it does not say Sharingan genjutsu... It says nothing. But you will notice that his MS is activated and his eye, the one that casted the genjutsu is strained... That is clear enough evidence that it was a MS tech..not a goddamn Sharingan tech. Jesus i am talking to a ****ing wall.
    Ok ll say it slow . since your not that bright . You have never seen sasuke or madara ever say tsukiyomi when usimg genjutsu . What you have seen them say when using genjutsu is sharingan genjutsu. Example during the kabuto fight . Itachi genjutsu said tsukiyomi in sasuke panel it said sharingan genjutsu. When madara fought the fodder ninja after being summoned . And when madara trapped the 4th raikage it said sharingan genjutsu . Never did it say tsukiyomi . On the other hand all techs that uchiha share have the same name . When itachi uses ametarasu he says ametarasu . When sasuke uses ametarasu he says ametarasu. theu both say fireball jutsu . If the jutsu was the same it would have the same name .
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundercles View Post
    I did. And you are being a retard right now. In that fight, it does not say Sharingan genjutsu... It says nothing. But you will notice that his MS is activated and his eye, the one that casted the genjutsu is strained... That is clear enough evidence that it was a MS tech..not a goddamn Sharingan tech. Jesus i am talking to a ****ing wall.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Quote Originally Posted by blackstar9 View Post
    Ok ll say it slow . since your not that bright . You have never seen sasuke or madara ever say tsukiyomi when usimg genjutsu . What you have seen them say when using genjutsu is sharingan genjutsu. Example during the kabuto fight . Itachi genjutsu said tsukiyomi in sasuke panel it said sharingan genjutsu. When madara fought the fodder ninja after being summoned . And when madara trapped the 4th raikage it said sharingan genjutsu . Never did it say tsukiyomi . On the other hand all techs that uchiha share have the same name . When itachi uses ametarasu he says ametarasu . When sasuke uses ametarasu he says ametarasu. theu both say fireball jutsu . If the jutsu was the same it would have the same name .

    No, I understand what you are getting at. But please, look at the Sasuke vs Bee fight. When he activated his MS and caste a genjutsu on Bee...nothing was said. But immediately after he caste it, his eye began to strain. Why would it strain from a simple genjutsu? Because it wasn't. It was Tsukuyomi. Now disprove this.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    Kidgamer, you obviously do not know what I am referencing. I'm not talking about Sasuke vs Kabuto.. Sasuke vs Bee. Please read all before you attempt to discredit me.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saikyokage View Post
    you seem to be forgetting about izanagi and izanami ....
    Danzo didn't have a MS, and yet he was using Izanagi quite effectively.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    You know what? Let this be an antidote to your stupidity:

    Note that "Sharingan Genjutsu" is not said at all. And his MS is, indeed, activated.

    After casting this "Sharingan genjutsu" as some would claim, his eye strained just like Itachi's when he caste Tsukuyomi... Why?
    Because it IS Tsukuyomi. He wouldn't activate MS to just do a simple genjutsu. He was strutting his MS techs. Not the same old silliness.

    Note: This is a response to Black star
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundercles View Post
    You know what? Let this be an antidote to your stupidity:

    Note that "Sharingan Genjutsu" is not said at all. And his MS is, indeed, activated.

    After casting this "Sharingan genjutsu" as some would claim, his eye strained just like Itachi's when he caste Tsukuyomi... Why?
    Because it IS Tsukuyomi. He wouldn't activate MS to just do a simple genjutsu. He was strutting his MS techs. Not the same old silliness.

    Note: This is a response to Black star
    stop embarrasing yourself !!! you cant prove sasuke has tsukiyomi . your best argument is that sasukes eyes bled after putting bee in a genjutsu so it must be tsukiyomi...... Manga over your opinion . Show me a scan where sasuke says tsukiyomi while using a genjutsu then you will have some credibility. On the other hand i can show you where both madara and sasuke say sharingan genjutsu . Whenever a character uses the same technique they call it by its name . Naruto and jiriya called it rasengan . Itachi and sasuke called it susanoo . Itachi and sasuke called it ametarasu. All of a sudden with tsukiyomi they got different names for the same tech ? No that doesnt make sense. If sasuke or madara used tsukiyomi they would say it . Tsukiyomi is unique to itachi . Like ka is unique to shisui and inferno style is unique to sasuke .
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Quote Originally Posted by blackstar9 View Post
    stop embarrasing yourself !!! you cant prove sasuke has tsukiyomi . your best argument is that sasukes eyes bled after putting bee in a genjutsu so it must be tsukiyomi...... Manga over your opinion . Show me a scan where sasuke says tsukiyomi while using a genjutsu then you will have some credibility. On the other hand i can show you where both madara and sasuke say sharingan genjutsu . Whenever a character uses the same technique they call it by its name . Naruto and jiriya called it rasengan . Itachi and sasuke called it susanoo . Itachi and sasuke called it ametarasu. All of a sudden with tsukiyomi they got different names for the same tech ? No that doesnt make sense. If sasuke or madara used tsukiyomi they would say it . Tsukiyomi is unique to itachi . Like ka is unique to shisui and inferno style is unique to sasuke .
    So, how do you explain the strain in his eye? You have failed to explain that. It mirrors Itachi's symptoms when he uses Tsukuyomi. And how the hell is Tsukuyomi unique to only Itachi? Obviously Madara and Obito have the tech so as to utilize this jutsu for their plan. And your theory of they will say whatever tech's name when using it, is FALSE. I just showed you a scan clearly disproving that statement. Furthermore, if you want to know why Sasuke hasn't used Tsukuyomi after Bee, then it is because he clearly wasn't proficient enough to wield it. And to refute what the Databook says is a req for Susano'o is absolutely silly. It hasn't been proven false yet. Until otherwise stated in the manga, it is cannon. If you are so correct, then explain that tech used on Bee. And why MS was activated to use a "Sharingan" genjutsu.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Psst, I'm too lazy to find the scan but in Sasuke vs Danzo's fight, Obito said that Sasuke's Tsukuyomi is not as strong as Itachi's, but he used it to win the fight making Danzo think that he had 1 Sharingan left.
    He also used Tsukuyomi gainst Bee...

    Just because he doesn't yell "TSUKUYOMI" doens't mean he doesn't use it. derp
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Quote Originally Posted by Starvenge View Post
    Psst, I'm too lazy to find the scan but in Sasuke vs Danzo's fight, Obito said that Sasuke's Tsukuyomi is not as strong as Itachi's, but he used it to win the fight making Danzo think that he had 1 Sharingan left.
    He also used Tsukuyomi gainst Bee...

    Just because he doesn't yell "TSUKUYOMI" doens't mean he doesn't use it. derp
    I agree with the Bee statement and your final sentence. Thank you
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Quote Originally Posted by blackstar9 View Post
    stop embarrasing yourself !!! you cant prove sasuke has tsukiyomi . your best argument is that sasukes eyes bled after putting bee in a genjutsu so it must be tsukiyomi...... Manga over your opinion . Show me a scan where sasuke says tsukiyomi while using a genjutsu then you will have some credibility. On the other hand i can show you where both madara and sasuke say sharingan genjutsu . Whenever a character uses the same technique they call it by its name . Naruto and jiriya called it rasengan . Itachi and sasuke called it susanoo . Itachi and sasuke called it ametarasu. All of a sudden with tsukiyomi they got different names for the same tech ? No that doesnt make sense. If sasuke or madara used tsukiyomi they would say it . Tsukiyomi is unique to itachi . Like ka is unique to shisui and inferno style is unique to sasuke .
    The fact that some believe a simple Shape Manipulation is Sasuke's second Mangekyo power is very odd to me..but debating is pointless because Kishimoto has already made his statement on the matter.

     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Quote Originally Posted by Starvenge View Post
    Psst, I'm too lazy to find the scan but in Sasuke vs Danzo's fight, Obito said that Sasuke's Tsukuyomi is not as strong as Itachi's, but he used it to win the fight making Danzo think that he had 1 Sharingan left.
    He also used Tsukuyomi gainst Bee...

    Just because he doesn't yell "TSUKUYOMI" doens't mean he doesn't use it. derp
    Umm no the proper translation is your illusion is nothing compared to itachi tsukiyomi. Not your tsukiyomi is nothing compared to itachi tsukiyomi.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    The fact that some believe a simple Shape Manipulation is Sasuke's second Mangekyo power is very odd to me..but debating is pointless because Kishimoto has already made his statement on the matter.

    The same data book that said oro was sealed away forever? Because the databook contradicts the manga!
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundercles View Post
    So, how do you explain the strain in his eye? You have failed to explain that. It mirrors Itachi's symptoms when he uses Tsukuyomi. And how the hell is Tsukuyomi unique to only Itachi? Obviously Madara and Obito have the tech so as to utilize this jutsu for their plan. And your theory of they will say whatever tech's name when using it, is FALSE. I just showed you a scan clearly disproving that statement. Furthermore, if you want to know why Sasuke hasn't used Tsukuyomi after Bee, then it is because he clearly wasn't proficient enough to wield it. And to refute what the Databook says is a req for Susano'o is absolutely silly. It hasn't been proven false yet. Until otherwise stated in the manga, it is cannon. If you are so correct, then explain that tech used on Bee. And why MS was activated to use a "Sharingan" genjutsu.
    So your saying because his eye strained that proves it was tsukiyomi ? Sasuke eye strained when using inferno style does that mean its its not inferno style its really itachis ametarasu? Immediate no. During the fight with bee sasuke didn't use a name for the genjutsu he used.but that doesn't prove he has tsukiyomi
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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Quote Originally Posted by blackstar9 View Post
    The same data book that said oro was sealed away forever? Because the databook contradicts the manga!
    Thats all you got? Come on now, I expected a better rebuttal than that.

    'That' Orochimaru was sealed away forever, a new Oro was formed through his Senjutsu chakra and a piece of Kabuto's body..there is no contradiction at all.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Quote Originally Posted by blackstar9 View Post
    The same data book that said oro was sealed away forever? Because the databook contradicts the manga!
    Well, they aren't going to give away plot secrets in the Databook. Up until that point, he was sealed away forever. But, the plot progresses.

    Quote Originally Posted by blackstar9 View Post
    So your saying because his eye strained that proves it was tsukiyomi ? Sasuke eye strained when using inferno style does that mean its its not inferno style its really itachis ametarasu? Immediate no. During the fight with bee sasuke didn't use a name for the genjutsu he used.but that doesn't prove he has tsukiyomi
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    Show me the scan of this "eye strain" while "using inferno style". And I am looking at it in its most basic form. MS techs strain the eyes of the MS user. Simply having them activated, doesn't.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Quote Originally Posted by Narutofan4203 View Post
    First of all, the mangekyou sharingan has 3 abilities.
    Amaterasu
    The first technique is amaterasu, the sun goddess. The flames of it are said to burn forever.

    Tsukuyomi
    The second technique, is tsukuyomi, the moon goddess. A powerful genjutsu.

    Susano'o
    The third power is Susano'o.

    Only people with two mangekyou eyes can activate susano'o.

    As confirmed by madara. Any two eyes can activate susano'o, as long as they have mangekyou. Their true power.
    So, the basic mangekyou sharingan has two abilities, then the special power.
    The special abilties, kamui that allows you to warp space and time, and Kotoamatsukami that allows you to control somebody without them knowing.
    Sasuke refers to susano'o as a third power. The left and right eye each hold a different ability. Kakashi's sucks in from a long range, obito from a short range. Following this logic, kotoamatsukami has another ability, though we will probably never know what it is.
    Last, why sasuke has tsukuyomi.

    Sasuke has all of itachi's eye abilities, plus EMS from his eyes. He dosen't need it for susano'o, he just needs both eyes.
    Edit: Sasuke's special ability is controlling his amaterasu via blaze release, Itachi's is his tsukuyomi mastery.
    Sasuke never had tsukuyomi.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Quote Originally Posted by PrettyFlacko View Post
    Sasuke never had tsukuyomi.

    Oh...true.
     
         
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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Yes, you need Tsukuyomi & Amaterasu for Susano'o
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    thank you! ive been trying to explain to so many people that sasuke does in fact have tsukyomi, idk why people are so determined to deny that fact..
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Quote Originally Posted by PrettyFlacko View Post
    Sasuke never had tsukuyomi.
    Ok, then perhaps you can explain the genjutsu placed on Bee that caused an MS Sasuke's eye to strain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Varrah View Post
    Oh...true.
    You still have failed to counter my arguments.

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ View Post
    Yes, you need Tsukuyomi & Amaterasu for Susano'o
    Congrats, you, unlike many, can read the Databook.

    Quote Originally Posted by Draphsin View Post
    thank you! ive been trying to explain to so many people that sasuke does in fact have tsukyomi, idk why people are so determined to deny that fact..
    Yes.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundercles View Post
    Ok, then perhaps you can explain the genjutsu placed on Bee that caused an MS Sasuke's eye to strain?



    You still have failed to counter my arguments.



    Congrats, you, unlike many, can read the Databook.



    Yes.

    You've failed to see the discrepancies involved...[1]
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Quote Originally Posted by Varrah View Post
    You've failed to see the discrepancies involved...[1]
    What? The "way Bee fell down in the fight"? That is nonsense. Ok, Varrah, answer these questions:
    #1 Why would Sasuke have MS active to cast a simple genjutsu?
    #2 Why after casting the genjutsu in question, did Sasuke's eye (the one that caste the tech) immediately strain (just as Itachi's did when he caste Tsukuyomi)?
    #3 Can you truly give an example of an Uchiha who is the sole exception to the "Susano'o Req Rule"?
    #3a, If you can give an example of said Uchiha, please provide proof to support your claim. Scans would be nice.

    And please do not just give a 1 liner, vague answer that references a broad thread. Answer in specifics.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundercles View Post
    What? The "way Bee fell down in the fight"? That is nonsense. Ok, Varrah, answer these questions:
    #1 Why would Sasuke have MS active to cast a simple genjutsu?
    #2 Why after casting the genjutsu in question, did Sasuke's eye (the one that caste the tech) immediately strain (just as Itachi's did when he caste Tsukuyomi)?
    #3 Can you truly give an example of an Uchiha who is the sole exception to the "Susano'o Req Rule"?
    #3a, If you can give an example of said Uchiha, please provide proof to support your claim. Scans would be nice.

    And please do not just give a 1 liner, vague answer that references a broad thread. Answer in specifics.

    Firstly, this thread is lacking the sustenance needed for it. Secondly, I have answered these questions in Exiguity (I posted a response to your questions bar the second, so if you wish, continue the argument from there.)


    Scans.




     
         
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    Re: Sasuke has tsukuyomi; yet he dosen't need it for susano'o.

    Quote Originally Posted by Varrah View Post
    Firstly, this thread is lacking the sustenance needed for it. Secondly, I have answered these questions in Exiguity (I posted a response to your questions bar the second, so if you wish, continue the argument from there.)



    Scans.




    Ok, this shows that Sasuke uses Blaze Release, HISspecial MS tech, ie, Kamui, KA, Itachi's Tsukuyomi, nothing more. We see that Obito casts Kamui with his right eye. He can also use that right eye to cast Tsukuyomi, per Road to Ninja AND seeing as he intends on acting as jinky and would need that tech to perform "Infinite Tsukuyomi".
     
         

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