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    So The Sand Siblings or Ino-Shika-Cho(young)

    So which group of three are better. I personally think that the sand siblings are stronger. They all are very smart, with also Temari being very intelligent. They have more raw power. I think that they should be able to beat Ino-Shika-Cho. Tho they are also very powerful as a group an of course Shikamarus intellect is a major factor. I think the sand sibling are betterstill. So whos better
     
         

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    Re: So The Sand Siblings or Ino-Shika-Cho(young)

    Ino-Shika-Cho!!!
     
         

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    Re: So The Sand Siblings or Ino-Shika-Cho(young)

    The sand siblings by a long shot are stronger then Ino-Shika-Cho.
     
         

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    Re: So The Sand Siblings or Ino-Shika-Cho(young)

    Sand siblings are stronger mainly because of gaara , Temari also isn't a pushover
     
         

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    Re: So The Sand Siblings or Ino-Shika-Cho(young)

    Sand siblings off course, but with Choji, It might be different
     
         

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    Re: So The Sand Siblings or Ino-Shika-Cho(young)

    Power Sand siblings OVerall Ino shika cho if its the garaa after naruto beat him. they would use the ino shika cho formaion which may stop garaa and temari then kankuro and his damn pupet with win ^^
     
         

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    Re: So The Sand Siblings or Ino-Shika-Cho(young)

    Quote Originally Posted by thejonintemari View Post
    So which group of three are better. I personally think that the sand siblings are stronger. They all are very smart, with also Temari being very intelligent. They have more raw power. I think that they should be able to beat Ino-Shika-Cho. Tho they are also very powerful as a group an of course Shikamarus intellect is a major factor. I think the sand sibling are betterstill. So whos better
    Sand Siblings
     
         

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    Re: So The Sand Siblings or Ino-Shika-Cho(young)

    The sand siblings stomp. I mean each of them pose a problem to InoShikaCho 3 on 1 even if they don't actually win.

    Temari being a Wind user already boasts of natural talent, but she takes it a step further with her fan. And Shikamaru knows it:

    He obviously wasn't expecting her to whip out a forest busting technique either. I mean you can tell the difference between her and her opponents just by looking at their display. Only Choji can come close via the red pill but a suicide attack off the bat is pretty unheard of (especially since it's not guaranteed to work either).

    Kankuro's pretty deadly too even though he may not look as strong. Puppets users are known for their trap cards: hard to detect and very deadly. It's kind of perfect for people like Choji who are more like brutes that tank attacks. If you read the Kankuro vs. Shino fight you'll know of all the things that Kankuro puts into Crow. Black Ant's awesome too since it can surprise them... its has a high success rate too from what we've seen of it in the manga.

    And Gaara's just Gaara >_>
     
         

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    Re: So The Sand Siblings or Ino-Shika-Cho(young)

    In terms of combat strength of overall destruction.

    Gaara
    Choji
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    Kankuro



    Shikamaru
    Ino


    Also Gaara's sand requires no motion. Were Shintension to be used, Kankuro and Temari use unique weapons that aren't exactly usefull for Ino to use...also Gaara can use sand to just hold down the mind controlled....


    Sand siblings win
     
         

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    Re: So The Sand Siblings or Ino-Shika-Cho(young)

    Young gaara still had the one tails . No question its the sand siblings
     
         

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    Re: So The Sand Siblings or Ino-Shika-Cho(young)

    right now atm garra would solo all three mid diff
     
         

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    Re: So The Sand Siblings or Ino-Shika-Cho(young)

    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    Sand siblings are stronger mainly because of gaara , Temari also isn't a pushover
    Even without Gaara, the Sand Siblings are still more stronger.

    OT: In a fight the Sand Siblings obviously stomp with Gaara being able to solo them effortlessly. As a matter of fact both Kankuro and Temari, well most likely Temari, have chances to solo them as well although the chances aren't that great although they certainly do have their chances. Kankuro and Temari, even without Gaara, are enough to beat the Ino-Shika-Cho trio.
     
         

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    Re: So The Sand Siblings or Ino-Shika-Cho(young)

    Quote Originally Posted by Icelerate View Post
    Even without Gaara, the Sand Siblings are still more stronger.

    OT: In a fight the Sand Siblings obviously stomp with Gaara being able to solo them effortlessly. As a matter of fact both Kankuro and Temari, well most likely Temari, have chances to solo them as well although the chances aren't that great although they certainly do have their chances. Kankuro and Temari, even without Gaara, are enough to beat the Ino-Shika-Cho trio.

    Nah i dont thin kankuru and temari can take the sand siblings

    Mind transfer on kankuru

    shadow hold on temari, while chouji can go Giant butterfly mode (almost as gedo mazo) and destroy temari (who's being held in place)

    Or the other way around, shadow hold on kankuru and mind possesion on temari, followed with an attack from chouji..
    It's an annoying combo.. gaara gets around it because he can put all 3 of them in the air (aerial), and all 3 of them can fight at long range like that

    Shikimaru pretty much becomes useless
     
         

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    Re: So The Sand Siblings or Ino-Shika-Cho(young)

    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post

    Nah i dont thin kankuru and temari can take the sand siblings

    Mind transfer on kankuru

    shadow hold on temari, while chouji can go Giant butterfly mode (almost as gedo mazo) and destroy temari (who's being held in place)

    Or the other way around, shadow hold on kankuru and mind possesion on temari, followed with an attack from chouji..
    It's an annoying combo.. gaara gets around it because he can put all 3 of them in the air (aerial), and all 3 of them can fight at long range like that

    Shikimaru pretty much becomes useless
    Mind transfer on Kankuro will probably fail because he has various puppets to use as decoys. Their best bet is to get Temari in the mind transfer and then use her to slice Kankuro's puppets. Temari can easily dodge shadow possession which she has already showed us. Choji becoming bigger just means he is a bigger target for poisonous attacks or wind spam. Poison is even more deadly in this scenario since Temari can blow it into their faces.

    The Ino-Shika-Cho trio were going to get killed by Kakuzu's raiton gian if it wasn't for Kakashi saving them. Replace Kakuzu's raiton gian with a wind cast net from Temari and remove Kakashi from the equation and add Kankuro to Temari's side and it becomes a stomp IMO.

    @Bold: at the mistake.
     
         
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    Re: So The Sand Siblings or Ino-Shika-Cho(young)

    Quote Originally Posted by Icelerate View Post
    Mind transfer on Kankuro will probably fail because he has various puppets to use as decoys. Their best bet is to get Temari in the mind transfer and then use her to slice Kankuro's puppets. Temari can easily dodge shadow possession which she has already showed us. Choji becoming bigger just means he is a bigger target for poisonous attacks or wind spam. Poison is even more deadly in this scenario since Temari can blow it into their faces.

    The Ino-Shika-Cho trio were going to get killed by Kakuzu's raiton gian if it wasn't for Kakashi saving them. Replace Kakuzu's raiton gian with a wind cast net from Temari and remove Kakashi from the equation and add Kankuro to Temari's side and it becomes a stomp IMO.

    @Bold: at the mistake.

    Soz for the mistake but Mind transfer on Temari indeed would be the best bet, She won't be able to hold it long, but it would be long enough for ino to jump down to the ground and allow shikimaru to get her in the shadow possesion then release the jutsu... from there it's a matter of Fatboy using a giant rollout on the immobile temari to kO her...

    I don't think they were at their full potential in that kakuzu fight, Chouji showed much more feats in the current war than he did there...

    Once temari is out of the picture, (Cosidering she has no way of escaping shintensin ) , it's 3 against kankuru who uses puppets and poison.... not much of a fight.... True, he may utilize decoys, but even so he's fights on the ground... decoy or not if he gets held down by the shadow possesion it's over... And with a databook speed a measly 2.5.. which is less than some part 1 characters.. trust me.. he is getting held down...from there it's over

    Butterfly mode may make him a bigger target but with his palm thrusts and bullet tank he should more than be able to destroy kankuru's wooden puppets
     
         

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    Re: So The Sand Siblings or Ino-Shika-Cho(young)

    Current or young, sand siblings ftw. I love that group.
     
         

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    Re: So The Sand Siblings or Ino-Shika-Cho(young)

    Gaara solo's, young team ten are garbage.
     
         

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    Re: So The Sand Siblings or Ino-Shika-Cho(young)

    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    Soz for the mistake but Mind transfer on Temari indeed would be the best bet, She won't be able to hold it long, but it would be long enough for ino to jump down to the ground and allow shikimaru to get her in the shadow possesion then release the jutsu... from there it's a matter of Fatboy using a giant rollout on the immobile temari to kO her...
    You speak as if the mind transfer will be successful. It was successful against Obito since Obito was just staying still on top of the Jubi while not paying attention to any outside forces. In this scenario, both Kankuro and Temari will have full knowledge on Ino-Shika-Cho's abilities and won't get surprised by some sudden mind transfer or shadow coming at them. Also if Shikamaru catches either with a shadow possession, he will get killed by the other in that instant.
    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    I don't think they were at their full potential in that kakuzu fight, Chouji showed much more feats in the current war than he did there...
    It is because Choji didn't have butterfly mode in that battle but my point still stands, Ino-Shika-Cho are vulnerable to large AoE elemental blasts.
    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    Once temari is out of the picture, (Cosidering she has no way of escaping shintensin ) , it's 3 against kankuru who uses puppets and poison.... not much of a fight.... True, he may utilize decoys, but even so he's fights on the ground... decoy or not if he gets held down by the shadow possesion it's over... And with a databook speed a measly 2.5.. which is less than some part 1 characters.. trust me.. he is getting held down...from there it's over
    If Chouji punches the puppets, true they get destroyed but Kankuro has multiple puppets in his arsenal. They also have poisonous traps built within them so those huge fists are bound to hit some poisonous blade and from there Chouji is done for. Now you are talking about speed but it doesn't matter in this scenario since all five of the combatants are quite slow. The difference maker is that both Kankuro and Temari have larger AoE and faster jutsu execution speed. I could post scans proving to you that the Ino-Shika-Cho jutsus are quite slow, linear and easy to avoid if you want.
    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    Butterfly mode may make him a bigger target but with his palm thrusts and bullet tank he should more than be able to destroy kankuru's wooden puppets
    Then Chouji gets poisoned and Kankuro will go on to use another puppet in his arsenal to continue to fight.

    Now time to post some scans to prove my point.

    During their fight in the chunin exams, Shikamaru spent the vast majority of the fight hiding behind a tree for protection.





    Luckily for Shikamaru, during the chunin exams, her wind could barely scratch a tree. On the other hand, during the Sasuke Retrieval Arc, it could slice through a whole row of trees and has a good area of effect this time around.




    This is only the tip of the iceberg, Temari also gained a forest buster by the end of part 1 which is capable of soloing these three.


    Not only that but in Shippuden, Temari's wind can slice through metal with ease so whatever durability Chouji has isn't saving him from getting his internal organs chopped off.





    As for being slow, well Temari covered a massive distance in a small amount of time. As a matter of fact, I read your Itachi speed thread and haven't seen Itachi cover such a large distance in a small amount of time.





    As for Kankuro, he gained all sorts of puppets in his recollection including Sasori's own as well as Chiyo's mother and father puppets. You already wrote a thread analysing Sasori's power and now Kankuro has gained a portion of it as well as Chiyo's along with his own. Kankuro mentions that his mastery of puppetry has surpassed Sasori's.

    By hype these two jounin should wreck the three chunin.
     
         

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    Re: So The Sand Siblings or Ino-Shika-Cho(young)

    You speak as if the mind transfer will be successful. It was successful against Obito since Obito was just staying still on top of the Jubi while not paying attention to any outside forces. In this scenario, both Kankuro and Temari will have full knowledge on Ino-Shika-Cho's abilities and won't get surprised by some sudden mind transfer or shadow coming at them. Also if Shikamaru catches either with a shadow possession, he will get killed by the other in that instant.
    I don't think the manga has ever shown a way to dodge midn transfer.. Like handseal genjutsu I don't believe it matters if you stay still or not, chakra/ mental energy is projected to another person


    Kankuro mentions that his mastery of puppetry has surpassed Sasori's.
    Kankuru said his black secret technique surpassed Sasori's.. nothing else, nothing more... sasori would stomp him any day of the night considering iron sand counters all his puppets...
    As for being slow, well Temari covered a massive distance in a small amount of time. As a matter of fact, I read your Itachi speed thread and haven't seen Itachi cover such a large distance in a small amount of time.
    The distance between that big rock and shikimaru isnt that vast, and you really can't get a proper sense of home much time elapsed between the top and bottom scan in a manga scan



    Not only that but in Shippuden, Temari's wind can slice through metal with ease so whatever durability Chouji has isn't saving him from getting his internal organs chopped off
    Which is why temari will be taken out first with shintensen jutsu..... Moving doesnt affect it in any way.. we know that because Kakashi asked a yamanaka to take over his min while he was on the battlefield

    If Chouji punches the puppets, true they get destroyed but Kankuro has multiple puppets in his arsenal. They also have poisonous traps built within them so those huge fists are bound to hit some poisonous blade and from there Chouji is done for. Now you are talking about speed but it doesn't matter in this scenario since all five of the combatants are quite slow. The difference maker is that both Kankuro and Temari have larger AoE and faster jutsu execution speed. I could post scans proving to you that the Ino-Shika-Cho jutsus are quite slow, linear and easy to avoid if you want.
    Kankuru doesnt have that much puppets to waste.. scorpion, his 3 or 4 puppets made my sasori, and sasori's mother/father (whch i'm sure he wont even put into harms way since it's more of a memento )

    Not that it matters, because as I said, Kankuru would be held down at the start of the match by shadow possesion... kakuzu and hidan were unable to dodge it for long, Kankuru with his 2.5 in speed isn't ... Shikimaru can then make him drop his puppets or anything of the sort...and let chouji move in for the kill..

    Once ino imobilizes temari through shintensen, and shikimaru gets kankuru in his shadows, it's over
     
         

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    Re: So The Sand Siblings or Ino-Shika-Cho(young)

    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    I don't think the manga has ever shown a way to dodge midn transfer.. Like handseal genjutsu I don't believe it matters if you stay still or not, chakra/ mental energy is projected to another person
    You are totally wrong.

    Basically what the spoiler says is that the technique is only good against immobilized opponents or when the victim is not expecting the attack. It is very slow and linear so it can be dodged easily. If it fails, Ino's body will be useless.

    Anyway comparing hand seal genjutsu to shintenshin just because it effects the brain is odd. Next you'll be saying that Shikamaru's shadows are as fast as amaterasu since they are both black.
    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    Kankuru said his black secret technique surpassed Sasori's.. nothing else, nothing more... sasori would stomp him any day of the night considering iron sand counters all his puppets...
    I know Sasori stomps Kankuro but if they were both given the same puppets who do you think would win?
    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    The distance between that big rock and shikimaru isnt that vast, and you really can't get a proper sense of home much time elapsed between the top and bottom scan in a manga scan
    No it looks small because the rock is huge but the distance is pretty big. Also you should realize that the rock is behind the entire division while Shikamaru is somewhere at the front.

    I know the troop strength has decreased but the distance is still pretty big nonetheless.
    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    Which is why temari will be taken out first with shintensen jutsu..... Moving doesnt affect it in any way.. we know that because Kakashi asked a yamanaka to take over his min while he was on the battlefield
    Kakashi wanted to be taken over by the shintenshin. Also that Yamanaka was different from Ino.
    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    Kankuru doesnt have that much puppets to waste.. scorpion, his 3 or 4 puppets made my sasori, and sasori's mother/father (whch i'm sure he wont even put into harms way since it's more of a memento )
    Kankuro was very resourceful with just one puppet in his fight against Shino and he only had two against Sakon/Ukon. Now he has multiple so imagine him using iron maiden on Shikamaru and Ino.
    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    Not that it matters, because as I said, Kankuru would be held down at the start of the match by shadow possesion... kakuzu and hidan were unable to dodge it for long, Kankuru with his 2.5 in speed isn't ... Shikimaru can then make him drop his puppets or anything of the sort...and let chouji move in for the kill..
    No reread Hidan's fight with Asuma and Shikamaru. He was basically dominating while dodging Asuma attacks as well as Shikamaru's shadows at the same time despite being the slowest Akatsuki member and having only a 3.5 in speed. Current Temari probably has a 3.5 so she is more than enough to keep Shikamaru on his tip toes. Shikamaru won't get a chance to touch Kankuro. Not that it matters anyway, iron maiden one shots him and Shikamaru will need to stand still to make his shadows reach Kankuro which he won't be able to in this case since the opposition has powerful and widespread long ranged attacks unlike part 1 Temari, Kin and Hidan.
    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    Once ino imobilizes temari through shintensen, and shikimaru gets kankuru in his shadows, it's over
    Once Temari summons katamari and Kankuro traps Ino and Shikamaru in his puppets, it's over.
     
         

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