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    There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    I've seen many people saying that Sasuke doesn't have tsukuyomi, but i believe it's a wrong way of thinking. Sasuke does have tsukuyomi. It's only that his mastery over the jutsu is not as good as Itachi's. The simple fact that Danzo compare their tsukuyomi proves Sasuke has it, albeit not at the same level as Itachi's. Even Obito purposely differentiated Itachi's tsukuyomi to Sasuke's, which further implies that Sasuke has it.

    So contrary to the popular belief, Sasuke's MS genjutsu is tsukuyomi. But the only difference between Sasuke's tsukuyomi and Itachi's is that he is unable to control the length of his illusion.

    Some people believe that all tsukuyomi last 1second or something. But that is wrong. If it was the case, then why casting infinite tsukuyomi? It's only that Itachi is able to control the length of his tsukuyomi to such an extent that it can be casted in just an instant if he wanted. But it doesn't mean that tsukuyomi originally only cast an instant. Itachi himself intended to use tsukuyomi for a very long time since he needed to take control of Kabuto for minutes in order to comprehend how Edo tensei work and actually control kabuto with it to stop it.

    So like you can see, the duration of tsukuyomi depends on the user and also his chakra reserves. More the tsukuyomi takes long, more it takes chakra to maintain it. So since a one second tsukuyomi already took a tole on Itachi, i'm not sure if he can maintain it for that long if he is alive for example

    For those who still don't believe Sasuke has tsukuyomi, manga showed that there is no reason he doesn't have it. Manga has shown that all what you need to use Ms techniques is having the eye power. Itachi, Danzo or even a simple crow are able to cast Shisui's Kotoamatsukami just by having his eyes. Sasuke himself has Itachi's eyes currently. So there is no reason why he could not use tsukuyomi. If he really couldn't use tsukuyomi, then it would be shame on Sasuke's side since it would mean that a crow is more talented than him

    Normally he should have Itachi's Susanoo items as well, but since it's probable that those items are not Itachi's eye powers but instead items Itachi found somewhere, it can be a possible explanation why he doesn't have them
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    Yes.
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    he used it agenst danzo its juts on a much smaller scale than itachis, i think he had him see one of hes eyes open on his arm but in reiality it was not open atall
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    Well said.
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    oh this thread again
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    Another fact to support that Sasuke does indeed have Tsukuyomi is the Susano'o requirements. Susano'o requires one to have both Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu. Every person we've seen who uses Susano'o so far has displayed one or both of these. Itachi used both, Sasuke uses Amaterasu frequently, and Madara showed Tsukuyomi in Tobi's flashbacks. So it would make sense that Sasuke also possesses Tsukuyomi and Madara also possesses Amaterasu, since both use Susano'o.
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    Agreed, very nice thread

    People tend to take Tsukuyomi away from Sasuke just because they dislike the character, and ignore things like these :y
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    this is a tricky thread, he could have used regular genjutsu for all we know, the manga points to both possibilities.
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by sage mode beat down View Post
    he used it agenst danzo its juts on a much smaller scale than itachis, i think he had him see one of hes eyes open on his arm but in reiality it was not open atall
    Exactly, he'll eventually surpass Itachi in using it though.
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    Yes he will n should have it for d sake of naruto fight 2 b good
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    Danzo compared Sasuke's Genjutsu to Itachi's Tsukuyomi thats all not once did the manga state Sasuke used Tsukuyomi nor does it state he has it, EMS Sasuke could have it though due to him having Itachi's eyes.
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    i mean i guess.....
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    He used it against bee but he's perfect junjurchi so he broke it
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    Well, he does now have Itachi's eyes.. Makes sense. But even before that, he probably was capable of doing it. He broke free from Itachi's.
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    Sasuke: Master of Amaterasu

    Itachi: Master of Tsukuyumi

    Madara: Master of Susano'o
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    Then ask kishi. So you doNt have pRoblem on that...
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    Evaluate the chapters concerning the Uchiha nullifying Kabuto. The powers of their individual Mangekyou are exhibited. The author cannot make it any clearer.
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by LolChidori View Post
    Well, he does now have Itachi's eyes.. Makes sense. But even before that, he probably was capable of doing it. He broke free from Itachi's.
    Itachi never really intended on taking Sasuke's eyes. Factor in also that he went in with the intention of loosing the fight + acted/set the whole scenario up so that he'd loose then it's feasible that he let Sasuke break free from it. Just a possible scenario because it seems a bit far-fetched that a 3 tomoe Kakashi get's owned by Itachi's tsukuyomi yet a 3 tomoe Sasuke breaks free from it.
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    I agree on That fully
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    Also when Sasuke used it on Killer bee he held his eye .
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
    Itachi never really intended on taking Sasuke's eyes. Factor in also that he went in with the intention of loosing the fight + acted/set the whole scenario up so that he'd loose then it's feasible that he let Sasuke break free from it. Just a possible scenario because it seems a bit far-fetched that a 3 tomoe Kakashi get's owned by Itachi's tsukuyomi yet a 3 tomoe Sasuke breaks free from it.
    You forget that Sasuke surpassed Kakashi's sharingan because he's an uchiha
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    Regarding the OP, you make good points to suggest why he would have it. But I'd still have to disagree. From the time period when Sasuke obtained MS to now, he has exhibited countless MS techniques which none of them have been Tsukuyomi. Against Danzo, all he used was mere genjutsu. When Danzo stated "Compared to Itachi's tsukuyomi, where he could alter perception of time at his whim...you're as far below him as land is below the sky". All he implied was that Sasuke was a weakling compared to the power of Itachi and his tsukuyomi. At no point did he state "your tsukuyomi is weaker than Itachi's".

    Secondly as someone has already mentioned, in their recent fight against Kabuto, both Uchiha brother's exhibited all their best eye techniques in that one fight.

    Sasuke

    Left eye: Amaterasu
    Right eye: Enton Kagutsuchi
    Susano'o.

    Itachi

    Left eye: Amaterasu
    Right eye: Tsukuyomi
    Susano'o.

    From this, it would fully make sense for Sasuke not to have it as there is a pattern of 3 occuring in both cases. Each Uchiha has one ability that each of their eye's can use and when both unlocked, they gain Susano'o. The one thing that defeats this theory is the old databook stating both amaterasu and tsukuyomi are required to unlock susano'o. But let's not forget that data book entries are only done based on character analysis thus far. So Kishi could only enter the requirements of Susano'o based on what we had only seen of Itachi until then. The data book requirements have also been suspect to change previously so their reliability is questionable.

    I'm not fully writing off the possibility that he has tsukuyomi, but until there is full manga evidence of it, we can assume that he doesn't have it.
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
    Regarding the OP, you make good points to suggest why he would have it. But I'd still have to disagree. From the time period when Sasuke obtained MS to now, he has exhibited countless MS techniques which none of them have been Tsukuyomi. Against Danzo, all he used was mere genjutsu. When Danzo stated "Compared to Itachi's tsukuyomi, where he could alter perception of time at his whim...you're as far below him as land is below the sky". All he implied was that Sasuke was a weakling compared to the power of Itachi and his tsukuyomi. At no point did he state "your tsukuyomi is weaker than Itachi's".

    Secondly as someone has already mentioned, in their recent fight against Kabuto, both Uchiha brother's exhibited all their best eye techniques in that one fight.

    Sasuke

    Left eye: Amaterasu
    Right eye: Enton Kagutsuchi
    Susano'o.

    Itachi

    Left eye: Amaterasu
    Right eye: Tsukuyomi
    Susano'o.

    From this, it would fully make sense for Sasuke not to have it as there is a pattern of 3 occuring in both cases. Each Uchiha has one ability that each of their eye's can use and when both unlocked, they gain Susano'o. The one thing that defeats this theory is the old databook stating both amaterasu and tsukuyomi are required to unlock susano'o. But let's not forget that data book entries are only done based on character analysis thus far. So Kishi could only enter the requirements of Susano'o based on what we had only seen of Kakashi until then. The data book requirements have also been suspect to change previously so their reliability is questionable.

    I'm not fully writing off the possibility that he has tsukuyomi, but until there is full manga evidence of it, we can assume that he doesn't have it.
    Kagutsuchi requires Amaterasu.. which is released from the left eye. Unless your saying both have Amaterasu.. if so then he cannot have Susano'o. Sorry but Kishimoto does not make these mistakes.
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    I don't think sasuke has it. I mean even though itachi said you need both to awakens susanno. Madara uses susanno and never used tsukiyomi or amaterasu. Currently i believe he has it due to ems but before that no. To me each set of eyes has distinct abilites. Itachi: tsukiyomi/ amaterasu. Sasuke: amaterasu/ flame control (enton) kakashi/obito: long range kamui/short range kamui and being intangible. Sasuke gains tsukyomi when he gets ems. My question would be what are the eye techs madara has in order to unlock susanno?
     
         

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    Re: There is no reason why Sasuke couldn't use tsukuyomi

    Who said he couldn't? He can use the genjutsu, just not like Itachi can. Whoever said he couldn't just dislikes him. I like Naruto more than him, but come on. That's a pathetic excuse to take away what Sasuke can do.
     
         

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