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    Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Well if we look at the latest chapter Ichigo is said that he is about the only one who has been able to awaken his soul slayer without the help of asauchi. This also makes things clear that why they did not accept him, but only accepted Abarai.

    Well i wonder also how was ichigo fighting without Zangestu with those Asauchi. The other thing is maybe Nimaiya is unable to fix Zangetsu but can offer them asauchi in a fight and if they win they get new soul slayers like that. The most confusing thing is why must Ichigo go and found out about his roots before his soul slayer is repaired. How will knowing his roots repair his soul slayer?

    Well guys discuss if you may.
     
         

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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Good question,I dunno though
     
         

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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Because he will learn that he was not supposed to fight with a zanpakouto but rather a bow thats why he must learn his roots
     
         

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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Quote Originally Posted by Roju View Post
    Because he will learn that he was not supposed to fight with a zanpakouto but rather a bow thats why he must learn his roots
    I so hope your wrong...

    I don't know if Kubo just ditched Zangetsu now then I'd be pretty annoyed however a better question is if a asauchi does turn into a Zanpaktou what was Ichigo using.
     
         

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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Quote Originally Posted by KIRIO View Post
    Because he will learn that he was not supposed to fight with a zanpakouto but rather a bow thats why he must learn his roots
    Nah, Ichigo won't learn to fight with a bow.
    Most logical explanation would be that he'll learn how to manifest Zangetsu with his Quincy powers a.k.a Reishi manipulation (That's probably how he did it first time) but thanks to his part shinigami powers, Zangetsu will inhabit his zanpaktou.
     
         

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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Quote Originally Posted by mlickko View Post
    Nah, Ichigo won't learn to fight with a bow.
    Most logical explanation would be that he'll learn how to manifest Zangetsu with his Quincy powers a.k.a Reishi manipulation (That's probably how he did it first time) but thanks to his part shinigami powers, Zangetsu will inhabit his zanpaktou.
    probably, maybe he will learn to fuse these two races power, just think a defence of blut vene and hiori( whatever vaste lorde use), I doubt anyone would be able to cut him
     
         

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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Quote Originally Posted by Horidora Chan View Post
    How will knowing his roots repair his soul slayer?.
    I asked this question myself on a different thread. I can't think of anything that physically prevents prevents Nimaiya from repairing Ichigos' zanpakuto. Even if Ichogo doesn't know his root, how does that stop Nimaiya from being able to repair it.

    I can only think of that Nimaiya, might not actually be able to reforge zangetsu because he didn't start off as an asouchi.
     
         

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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Quote Originally Posted by gazz uzumaki View Post
    I asked this question myself on a different thread. I can't think of anything that physically prevents prevents Nimaiya from repairing Ichigos' zanpakuto. Even if Ichogo doesn't know his root, how does that stop Nimaiya from being able to repair it.

    I can only think of that Nimaiya, might not actually be able to reforge zangetsu because he didn't start off as an asouchi.
    Well I think Nimaiya can't repair Zangestu using his basic method. I think his basic method is to take the shiningami's current soul slayers and make them fight with asauchi if they win then the new asauchi becomes theirs and thus have a new soul slayer.

    That is the basic method I think he usually uses. Now in the case of Renji he has a new assauchi probably a new soul slayer, maybe it might have a different name. I wonder how are soul slayer part of a shiningami's soul if they need a medium ( asauchi) to awaken their own soul slayer
     
         

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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Ichigo is a Hybrid.

    He is a Shinigami.


    A Quincy.

    Part Hollow.

    Part Fullbring.


    But he is stronger than these combined.
     
         

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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Quote Originally Posted by Aze View Post
    Ichigo is a Hybrid.

    He is a Shinigami.


    A Quincy.

    Part Hollow.

    Part Fullbring.


    But he is stronger than these combined.
    You are just stating what we already know what I wanna know is why asauchi take not Ichigo. How will knowing his roots help him recover or repair his soul slayer?
     
         

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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Quote Originally Posted by Horidora Chan View Post
    You are just stating what we already know what I wanna know is why asauchi take not Ichigo. How will knowing his roots help him recover or repair his soul slayer?

    ICHIGO WAS the only person capable of obtaining a zanpaktou without the need of artificial zanpaktou.

    Ichigo used FGT.


    A part of hes own soul was lost during this process.


    As Zangetsu stated.


    He was originally Ichigo himself - But a part of Ichigos soul divided and became Zangetsu.


    @ the same time the hollow part manifested itself aswell.


    Hollow was the negative energy produced @ the same time when Zangetsu came to be,


    Practically Ichigos Hollow = Zangetsu

    Hollow + Zangetsu - A part of Ichigos soul.


    FGT - these parts where lost.

    Ichigos soul became incomplete.
     
         

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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Quote Originally Posted by Aze View Post
    ICHIGO WAS the only person capable of obtaining a zanpaktou without the need of artificial zanpaktou.

    Ichigo used FGT.


    A part of hes own soul was lost during this process.


    As Zangetsu stated.


    He was originally Ichigo himself - But a part of Ichigos soul divided and became Zangetsu.


    @ the same time the hollow part manifested itself aswell.


    Hollow was the negative energy produced @ the same time when Zangetsu came to be,


    Practically Ichigos Hollow = Zangetsu

    Hollow + Zangetsu - A part of Ichigos soul.


    FGT - these parts where lost.

    Ichigos soul became incomplete.
    I see nice explanation, so then knowing what he is, which is knowing his roots that might help Ichigo bring back those lost parts but then assuming your theory might be right
     
         

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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Quote Originally Posted by Horidora Chan View Post
    Well if we look at the latest chapter Ichigo is said that he is about the only one who has been able to awaken his soul slayer without the help of asauchi. This also makes things clear that why they did not accept him, but only accepted Abarai.

    Well i wonder also how was ichigo fighting without Zangestu with those Asauchi. The other thing is maybe Nimaiya is unable to fix Zangetsu but can offer them asauchi in a fight and if they win they get new soul slayers like that. The most confusing thing is why must Ichigo go and found out about his roots before his soul slayer is repaired. How will knowing his roots repair his soul slayer?

    Well guys discuss if you may.
    fullbring to fight?
     
         

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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Quote Originally Posted by Horidora Chan View Post
    The most confusing thing is why must Ichigo go and found out about his roots before his soul slayer is repaired. How will knowing his roots repair his soul slayer?
    Honestly, IMO, this is just a plot excuse to reveal knowledge on Ichigo's mother and how he one genetically impossible creature that is possibly infertile since he is a Hybrid.

    I'm really dissapointed in how the character of Ichigo is becoming, seems more like Kubo added sugar and spice and everything nice...these were the ingredients to make a perfect character, but Kubo accidently added CHEMICAL X! and thus, Ichigo was created! With his Shinigami, Hollow, Vizard, Quincy powers, he shall protect Soul Society from the force of EVIL! *catchy music plays*
     
         
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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Quote Originally Posted by KIRIO View Post
    Because he will learn that he was not supposed to fight with a zanpakouto but rather a bow thats why he must learn his roots
    i really really really hope your wrong, quincys are wack ass tricksters
     
         

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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Quote Originally Posted by Aze View Post
    ICHIGO WAS the only person capable of obtaining a zanpaktou without the need of artificial zanpaktou.

    Ichigo used FGT.


    A part of hes own soul was lost during this process.


    As Zangetsu stated.


    He was originally Ichigo himself - But a part of Ichigos soul divided and became Zangetsu.


    @ the same time the hollow part manifested itself aswell.


    Hollow was the negative energy produced @ the same time when Zangetsu came to be,


    Practically Ichigos Hollow = Zangetsu

    Hollow + Zangetsu - A part of Ichigos soul.


    FGT - these parts where lost.

    Ichigos soul became incomplete.

    If Ichigo is so unique in being able to use FGT, then how the hell do you explain Isshin having used FGT in the past?
     
         

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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Quote Originally Posted by Cookie.. View Post
    Honestly, IMO, this is just a plot excuse to reveal knowledge on Ichigo's mother and how he one genetically impossible creature that is possibly infertile since he is a Hybrid.

    I'm really dissapointed in how the character of Ichigo is becoming, seems more like Kubo added sugar and spice and everything nice...these were the ingredients to make a perfect character, but Kubo accidently added CHEMICAL X! and thus, Ichigo was created! With his Shinigami, Hollow, Vizard, Quincy powers, he shall protect Soul Society from the force of EVIL! *catchy music plays*

    are you serious?



    So that explains everything Ichigo is the powerpuff girl's older brother , so you mean actually finding about his roots will not help him regain his powers?

    Quote Originally Posted by NLee View Post
    If Ichigo is so unique in being able to use FGT, then how the hell do you explain Isshin having used FGT in the past?
    It is not confirmed or stated that Shiba Isshin used FGT, maybe the next episode will show us how did he lose his powers, I bet it was Aizen who did this.
     
         

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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Quote Originally Posted by Horidora Chan View Post
    It is not confirmed or stated that Shiba Isshin used FGT, maybe the next episode will show us how did he lose his powers, I bet it was Aizen who did this.
    Isshin underwent the training before. It's one of the few ways that he could even know a technique like FGT even existed and thus was able to teach Ichigo:
    http://www.mangapanda.com/94-53821-6...apter-408.html


    Isshin says in the second link "My Engetsu was the same way". He obviously has done the training for it:
    http://www.mangapanda.com/94-54486-1...apter-409.html
    http://www.mangapanda.com/94-54486-1...apter-409.html
    He clearly knows enough about FGT for us to reasonably assume that he either has used it before, or is able to use it. Either way, it supports my point that the FGT is not something exclusive to Ichigo as that guy I quoted made it sound.
     
         
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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Quote Originally Posted by mlickko View Post
    Nah, Ichigo won't learn to fight with a bow.
    Most logical explanation would be that he'll learn how to manifest Zangetsu with his Quincy powers a.k.a Reishi manipulation (That's probably how he did it first time) but thanks to his part shinigami powers, Zangetsu will inhabit his zanpaktou.
    They will probly forge zangetsu into a bow. a bow with a bankai and a spirit hell yes something incredibly unique would make bleach the ultimate manga
     
         

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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Quote Originally Posted by KIRIO View Post
    They will probly forge zangetsu into a bow. a bow with a bankai and a spirit hell yes something incredibly unique would make bleach the ultimate manga
    Ichigo will have no bow trust me, quincies can use swords if they are able too or if they like its just that they stuck into using bows

    Quote Originally Posted by NLee View Post
    Isshin underwent the training before. It's one of the few ways that he could even know a technique like FGT even existed and thus was able to teach Ichigo:
    http://www.mangapanda.com/94-53821-6...apter-408.html


    Isshin says in the second link "My Engetsu was the same way". He obviously has done the training for it:
    http://www.mangapanda.com/94-54486-1...apter-409.html
    http://www.mangapanda.com/94-54486-1...apter-409.html
    He clearly knows enough about FGT for us to reasonably assume that he either has used it before, or is able to use it. Either way, it supports my point that the FGT is not something exclusive to Ichigo as that guy I quoted made it sound.
    Very true that he actually said that and you have manga proof, My argurment is that he only knows about it. The fact that he knows about it what made him think Ichigo can master the technique? Actually if you dont want to answer that dont. What I want you to answer is that if you know about something does that mean you have used it? No, Isshin is not confirmed to have actually used FGT
     
         

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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Quote Originally Posted by Horidora Chan View Post
    Ichigo will have no bow trust me, quincies can use swords if they are able too or if they like its just that they stuck into using bows



    Very true that he actually said that and you have manga proof, My argurment is that he only knows about it. The fact that he knows about it what made him think Ichigo can master the technique? Actually if you dont want to answer that dont. What I want you to answer is that if you know about something does that mean you have used it? No, Isshin is not confirmed to have actually used FGT

    Explain why both kisuke and Ryoken both asked if his shinigami powers had returned because those were both stated in the manga as well meaning he did use fgt and with nlee's past proof and comments there is all the proof you need
     
         

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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Quote Originally Posted by KIRIO View Post
    Explain why both kisuke and Ryoken both asked if his shinigami powers had returned because those were both stated in the manga as well meaning he did use fgt and with nlee's past proof and comments there is all the proof you need
    The possobility of Isshin using the FGT, given the facts, is very likely.

    But there is also a flaw in this logic. We have not seen an enemy yet (apart from Aizen) who would be strong enough to force Isshin to use it. (Please don't say Yhwach, because he would be dead if Isshin used it on him. Aizen himself only survived because of the hogyoku.)
     
         

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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Quote Originally Posted by gazz uzumaki View Post
    The possobility of Isshin using the FGT, given the facts, is very likely.

    But there is also a flaw in this logic. We have not seen an enemy yet (apart from Aizen) who would be strong enough to force Isshin to use it. (Please don't say Yhwach, because he would be dead if Isshin used it on him. Aizen himself only survived because of the hogyoku.)
    Di you mean forced Ichigo to use it instead of Isshin? well no matter that Hollow he just met on the latest chapter might had made him use FGT, but I'm still not convinced that Isshin used FGT
     
         

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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Quote Originally Posted by Aze View Post
    ICHIGO WAS the only person capable of obtaining a zanpaktou without the need of artificial zanpaktou.

    Ichigo used FGT.


    A part of hes own soul was lost during this process.


    As Zangetsu stated.


    He was originally Ichigo himself - But a part of Ichigos soul divided and became Zangetsu.


    @ the same time the hollow part manifested itself aswell.


    Hollow was the negative energy produced @ the same time when Zangetsu came to be,


    Practically Ichigos Hollow = Zangetsu

    Hollow + Zangetsu - A part of Ichigos soul.


    FGT - these parts where lost.

    Ichigos soul became incomplete.
    you do realize that Ichigo got his Zanpakutou BEFORE he became a visored? what you were saying is that when Zangetsu was brought out that shirosaki. if that was the case, why did it take Byakuya nearly killing him and Urahara cutting his soul chain for Shirosaki to manifest himself instead of doing it right away when Ichigo had no understanding of what a zanpakutou really is?

    as it is stands now, Ichigo has no zanpakutou, isn't a visored and doesn't understand how to use his quincy powers if he has any. most likely you are not going to see ichigo starting using a bow like Ishida using but somehow combine both his shinigami abilities with any quincy powers he has.

    i say that because most likely Isshin did use FGT when fighting that beta arrancar and lost, thusly becoming human and marrying Misaki (though why he took her name and not using the Shiba name is confusing) thusly creating three quincy/shinigami children. though i've always wondered why the three kurosaki children all have different hair color. its rather strange

    the next question is why didn't Misaki use her quincy powers to defeat the grandfisher hollow. most likely it was because at some point she lost her quincy powers just like Ishida and than decided against regaining them or potentially couldn't regain them because the Ishida family cut her off when she married Isshin. That would be the most logical explaination as to why she jumped infront of Ichigo instead of pumping grandfisher full of arrows.
     
         

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    Re: Zangetsu is no Asauchi

    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnaroc View Post
    i say that because most likely Isshin did use FGT when fighting that beta arrancar and lost, thusly becoming human and marrying Misaki (though why he took her name and not using the Shiba name is confusing) thusly creating three quincy/shinigami children. though i've always wondered why the three kurosaki children all have different hair color. its rather strange

    the next question is why didn't Misaki use her quincy powers to defeat the grandfisher hollow. most likely it was because at some point she lost her quincy powers just like Ishida and than decided against regaining them or potentially couldn't regain them because the Ishida family cut her off when she married Isshin. That would be the most logical explaination as to why she jumped infront of Ichigo instead of pumping grandfisher full of arrows.
    Yes I agree that Isshin has used the FGT in the past and quite possibly against that form of Shirosaki we had just encountered. But like RokuNR asked me via VM. How did Isshin regain so much power in the last 20 years that was enough to combat Aizen without the use of his Shikai. I have a feeling there is alot more to Mr. Shiba than what is being told. Damned Shiba's always being badasses when they are Shinigami's lol.

    As for Masaki, I think she used that glove to fight Shirosaki, either that or another Quincy method that would strip her of her Quincy powers, because when she first met Isshin she looked almost as drained as the piss pounded Isshin lying on the ground. Which would explain why she didn't kill Fisher. Either that or she didn't have time to manifest the bow and arrow and fire it off in-time to save Ichigo and went for the push out of the way method instead.

    As for Zangetsu not being an Asauchi, that is extremely evident even by Mr. Hip-Hop Zero Division guy too tired to remember his name just woke up.......But the mind boggling thing about Zangetsu not being an Asauchi before hand, is that Ichigo was that strong without proper training and without having to have built a bond with it first, and was able to unlock his Shikai state, let alone Bankai and Mugetsu (Final Getsuga Tenshou blade). Too be completely honest if this leads to another power boost for Ichigo......what the **** I know its inevitable but still he also has to learn how to properly use that Blutz
     
         

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