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    Re: Was itachi lying?

    Until the manga says itachi was lying itachi was telling the truth.

    Jiraiya > itachi
     
         

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    Re: Was itachi lying?

    Itachi wanted to avoid a fight with Jiraiya since he's one of the good guys, Itachi obviously isn't afraind of Jiraiya since he ****ed up Orochimaru without any problems what so ever. Itachi said it himself ''Even the strongest heroes have their weaknesses'''and remember that he's also the one who said that ''Every jutsu has a weakness''. He obviously doesn't fear anyone...

    Itachi rapes Jiraiya any day...
     
         

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    Re: Was itachi lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
    Kisame didn't fear it because of something Itachi said - he was the one who started the conversation. He only stated that he wasn't sure if he could take it on. Not that he would lose. Just that there was doubt in his mind with regards to how successful he would be. In their actual meeting, Naruto released only a small amount of Kurama's chakra. He didn't undergo any transformations, and even then, Kisame found the chakra terrifying [1] and that preventing the Kyūbi's power from being used would be removing a problem/trouble [2]. The initial scan was clear. Kisame wasn't sure if he could take it on. Itachi overexaggerated in order to try and completely put Kisame off. Kisame was happy to have found the host in the first place and then goes on to talk about the babysitter, Jiraiya.
    Well apparently a translator from NF (Naruto forums) ShounenSuki Seems to also believe that they were indeed talking of jiraiya


    Originally Posted by ShounenSuki View Post
    The sentence most people fall over seems to be 「お守りが あの“伝説の三忍”とは」, which is usually translated as "His guard is one of the "legendary 3 ninja's"

    However, translate it as "Naruto's caretaker..." or "The caretaker..." or something like that, and it becomes much more clear that they have been talking about Jiraiya. To be honest, even translating it as "His caretaker..." suggests this, but the "his" can be confusing as it suggests they have been talking about the person pronoun refers to. In the Japanese, there is no pronoun at all. It just says "caretaker".
    and another one from Gottheim

    Originally Posted by Gottheim
    I went through the Japanese Internet (2chan, among others) to see what they think. The general consensus there seems to be that the whole conversation was about Jiraiya, not Naruto (Kyuubi) then Jiraiya as I thought.

    They do have a problem with it, but it has to do with the contradiction between Itachi's claims that Jiraiya could handle Kisame+Itachi+reinforcements and Orochimaru saying that Itachi surpasses him (which is kinda reminiscent of a certain "Back then, he saw through everything I did"). To say nothing of the feats that have been displayed in the manga, which effectively put Jiraiya a cut above the rest of the Sannin and more or less on par with Itachi. Slightly below or above him, depending on which side of the fence you sit on.

    This effectively settles the argument in the opposition's favor. Those who said it was all about Jiraiya were actually right, and I now I get to eat crow
    I cannot say how believeable these are though since i don't know them and dont use NF.
     
         

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    Re: Was itachi lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by ixc View Post
    Itachi wanted to avoid a fight with Jiraiya since he's one of the good guys, Itachi obviously isn't afraind of Jiraiya since he ****ed up Orochimaru without any problems what so ever. Itachi said it himself ''Even the strongest heroes have their weaknesses'''and remember that he's also the one who said that ''Every jutsu has a weakness''. He obviously doesn't fear anyone...

    Itachi rapes Jiraiya any day...
    like you said everything has a weakness so that imply's itachi as well as he aint perfect im not sure who would win but to think it would be itachi every time is ridicules also we havent seen jiraiya fight a genjutsu user so we dont know what his battle plan would be
     
         

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    Re: Was itachi lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Exaar View Post
    Well apparently a translator from NF (Naruto forums) ShounenSuki Seems to also believe that they were indeed talking of jiraiya
    This one is just talking about the second half of the conversation.

    and another one from Gottheim



    I cannot say how believeable these are though since i don't know them and dont use NF.
    And this was just a rumour with no actual evidence. Kirin Rei is a well known translator and this is what she had to say;

    The above translation is way off.

    Kisame - You could somehow win, but I couldn't stand up to such an opponent for more than a couple of minutes... It's on a completely different level.
    Itachi - Ah... Either (we) both (he says both/two, meaning him and Kisame) would die, or it would be a draw... The result wouldn't change even if we increased our numbers.
    Kisame - It was good that we found him at the ramen shop... And he has one of the Legendary Sannin as a lucky charm. That guy (Jiraiya) might be a fair match for the strongest Uchiha from Konoha and the Mist's strongest swordsman.
    Itachi - Hmm, even so... It's said that every strong man has a weakness...

    Kisame and Itachi were talking about the Kyuubi, not Jiraiya. Kisame brings the topic of Jiraiya up later on in the conversation and Itachi acknowledges that he's strong, but he says that he has a weakness. *girls girls girls*

    It seems as if Kisame was babbling on about taking the Kyuubi on, that he couldn't do it more than a couple of minutes but Itachi would have a chance. Itachi states that they both wouldn't stand a chance of winning, even if they increased their numbers. Kisame states that it was lucky to find Naruto in the ramen shop but Jiraiya would pose a problem and Itachi just says; girls girls girls.
    http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=161132

    This view is also supported by the VIZ translation.
     
         

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    Re: Was itachi lying?

    da fuq? obviously he didnt want kisame to kill naruto or jiraiya.... itachi only saved jiraiya because he needed him to teach and protect naruto......oro is better than jiraiya, itachi one shotted him with 3 tomoe at age 13.........
     
         

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    Re: Was itachi lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurama2012 View Post
    like you said everything has a weakness so that imply's itachi as well as he aint perfect im not sure who would win but to think it would be itachi every time is ridicules also we havent seen jiraiya fight a genjutsu user so we dont know what his battle plan would be
    not even being a fanboy but at that point he was most likely pretty perfect
     
         

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    Re: Was itachi lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
    This one is just talking about the second half of the conversation.



    And this was just a rumour with no actual evidence. Kirin Rei is a well known translator and this is what she had to say;



    http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=161132

    This view is also supported by the VIZ translation.
    Guess it comes down to who you believe.

    Still makes zero sense that kisame talks like that about a Genin child simply because the kyuubi is sealed inside him, especially when he fought a perfect jinchuuriki in part two. (assuming he is as powerful in Part one as he is in Part 2).

    Kisame said he is in another league befor itachi even "overexaggerated" the situation.
    To me it's far more logical for them to be talking about jiraiya one of the 3 Ninja who is a Kage level shinobi, Than a Mere Child Genin who happens to have the kyuubi sealed inside of him.

    Naruto has zero hype about him in the shinobi world, So why doubt would enter kisames mind in the first place is strange.
     
         

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    Re: Was itachi lying?

    I thnk it was a mistranslation and that itachi was talking about the kyuubi breaking free not jiraiya
     
         

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    Re: Was itachi lying?

    Itachi lied
     
         

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    Re: Was itachi lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by shogun973 View Post
    not even being a fanboy but at that point he was most likely pretty perfect
    no character is perfect, to say jiraiya has no way of beating itachi would be fanboy like
     
         

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