Sasuke with the EMS

**Izuna Uchiha** · 09-08-2009, 10:18 PM

Have you all notice something odd about how kishi "use" sasuke if I may say...

His MS is quickly deteriorating is eye sight as we have seen after the fight with Killerbee, but non the less, kishi won't stop making him use it.

I know it is obvious that he need his MS to have a chance against someone as strong as Raikage, but take a step back. Sasuke was here for Danzo (then all the other kages), he never intended to kill the Raikage in the first place. The fight between Sasuke and Raikage was set up by kishi to push sasuke's limit to it's extent once again and use his MS. I know some of you (me included) will say that is fight with the Raikage was inevitable the moment he attack killerbee, but non the less, this fight could very well have happened at any time in the future. Kishi needed Sasuke to come over the top and intentionally set up that fight.

What we are seeing here are hints/mistake from kishi to reveal us that Sasuke will turn out blind soon. Not only he is constantly using is MS, but is power is now based on is ability with the Sharingan. When he lost the curse seal, he received the MS as a compensation. He is destined to follow the same path as Madara Uchiha.

My prediction was first based on an other very good theory, here it is:

http://www.narutobase.net/forums/nar...chis-hope.html

I highly recommend you to read it as it's probably the best theory I have ever read (being a mix of several other good theory, it is more credible).

Based on that theory, another question pop into my mind. Why did Izuna's eyes didn't deteriorated as soon as his brother? They were said to be equal in every way.

It is inevitable that if they had to train/fight they would use their MS (considering one would activate it, the other would need to do so as well). Why was Madara the one to lose his sight first?

Let's push it even further, when Madara was close to blindness, why wasn't it said that Izuna was starting too to lose his sight?

The theory I just posted explain it all. There are variation in the sharingan related to natural affinity toward yin/yang. Sasuke and Itachi are another proof of it. Itachi used is MS for several years before suffering from it's draw back. Sasuke used it only a couple of time (all of them in less then a year) and is already losing is eyes.

In my opinion (and with the help of the EMS theory) it is undeniable that there are two types of Sharingan and the reason why sasuke was so praised for is eyes is because of this inevitable moment that kishi is foreshadowing with the latest chapter. He will get the EMS.

Comments are very appreciated as there are a lot of material to debate here :P

**Izuna Uchiha** · 09-09-2009, 12:07 AM

look like the overall theory is too long for anyone to read

edit: except BAN_KAI

**nejiultimatefan1** · 09-09-2009, 12:38 AM

dude this is crazy but it seems like its true in some way

**Izuna Uchiha** · 09-09-2009, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by nejiultimatefan1

dude this is crazy but it seems like its true in some way

thk ^^

major credit to the guy who came with the original theory.

**lindsaychan** · 09-09-2009, 12:49 AM

that was pretty much clear to me honestly...

but i really appreciate the detailed work in providing evidence to support your theory. this was a great thread to read. this is why i use the forum on NB.

reps

**rhin0** · 09-09-2009, 01:15 AM

...i read it. lol

It was an excellent theory on something kish has obviously been foreshadowing. He needed to get them the first time.

thanks for the work getting this together.

**Izuna Uchiha** · 09-09-2009, 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by lindsaychan

that was pretty much clear to me honestly...

but i really appreciate the detailed work in providing evidence to support your theory. this was a great thread to read. this is why i use the forum on NB.

reps

Originally Posted by rhin0

...i read it. lol

It was an excellent theory on something kish has obviously been foreshadowing. He needed to get them the first time.

thanks for the work getting this together.

Thk u both for reading it all ^^!

**Ssj4SonNino** · 09-09-2009, 04:06 AM

I totally agree when you said that that is the best theory out there. And it makes total sense. Im always trying to figure things out by facts and not just by who I like in the Naruto story. And whoever got those facts and theories together really just blew my mind. it makes so much sense and I understand its just a theory, but it makes damn good sense. Mad props to all of youz who put that together or was it just SSJ4Naruto?... But whoever it was... mad mad props man. Great analysis and good read for being long as hell. (and people fuss at me for writing long explainations, but i try to make everyone understand what im trying to say, and you guys explained it to the fullest) I dont know how else it could be broken down, with references and everything. Thanks to SSJ4Naruto and Izuna Uchiha for keepin it real ^_^

-Dattebayooooooooo!!!!

**mohsin** · 09-09-2009, 04:42 AM

really nice theory..it was fun to read ..thanks

**Rogue23** · 09-09-2009, 04:58 AM

sasuke would get the ems, but he did say, he won't follow itachi's footsteps and promised it to his dad.
Naruto 403 page 17 | One Manga
if he ever gets itachi's eyes if it be out of need not want. to kill the people that started the whole mess.

btw nice theory.

**DarkMarke** · 09-09-2009, 05:18 AM

I Approve.

I only get 20 minutes on my laptop in the morning and todays 20 minutes was well spent here.

**Izuna Uchiha** · 09-09-2009, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Ssj4SonNino

I totally agree when you said that that is the best theory out there. And it makes total sense. Im always trying to figure things out by facts and not just by who I like in the Naruto story. And whoever got those facts and theories together really just blew my mind. it makes so much sense and I understand its just a theory, but it makes damn good sense. Mad props to all of youz who put that together or was it just SSJ4Naruto?... But whoever it was... mad mad props man. Great analysis and good read for being long as hell. (and people fuss at me for writing long explainations, but i try to make everyone understand what im trying to say, and you guys explained it to the fullest) I dont know how else it could be broken down, with references and everything. Thanks to SSJ4Naruto and Izuna Uchiha for keepin it real ^_^

-Dattebayooooooooo!!!!

xD thk dude!

This theory was originaly posted on One Manga by Gimli (maybe it's SSJ4Naruto) and I just put my grain of salt on it ^^

Thk again for the support!

Originally Posted by mohsin

really nice theory..it was fun to read ..thanks

lol thk

Originally Posted by Rogue23

sasuke would get the ems, but he did say, he won't follow itachi's footsteps and promised it to his dad.
Naruto 403 page 17 | One Manga
if he ever gets itachi's eyes if it be out of need not want. to kill the people that started the whole mess.

btw nice theory.

I tough about it too, and that's where it gets interesting. Madara did say "sasuke is the real deal, he is a true avanger"

Knowing that he will never stop till he accomplish is revenge, how do you think he will react when he will lose his eyes?

Do you think he will simply stop, or maybe find a new way to fight blind and without the Sharingan?

In all honesty I can't imagine this happening. Itachi's eyes were stored by madara for one reason. Like he said to kakashi "I took a camble...Not knowing wheter he would choose to follow Itachi's wishes...Or choose revenge on Konoha...He chose revenge."

In other word, in my opinion, is plan was the following concerning sasuke's future eyes:

-Watch the Itachi vs Sasuke fight.

-Confirm whether or not Sasuke did possess this hidden potential everyone as been referring til the beginning of the manga.

-At this point he had to decide if he would reveal Itachi's last wish to him (this camble I was talking about).

-After taking is decision, he knew that if Sasuke was to chose revenge, Itachi's eyes would be extremely important. He never knew when or if Sasuke would lose is sight, but knowing that Sasuke went against Itachi's will once (by deciding to attack Konoha) Madara could guess/theorize that he would do it again when put against the wall (blindness).

In conclusion, to me the moment Madara seen the fight with Itachi and Sasuke, there was only one real decision left for Sasuke to choose: Follow Itachi's path, or revenge. When he made is decision, he fell right into the hands of Madara who was already prepared for his decision.

Sasuke getting the EMS is a no brainer, but proving it is an other game...lol

Originally Posted by DarkMarke

I Approve.

I only get 20 minutes on my laptop in the morning and todays 20 minutes was well spent here.

thk dude, happy u like it ^^

**Ryuusaki** · 09-09-2009, 02:55 PM

The fact that Izunas eyesight weren't deteriorating as quickly as Madaras might be something as concrete as Madara more frequently using his Mangekyou. Sure, they were training together, but Madara were the most highlighted in terms of leadership and thus probably fell into more combat on the battlefield.

Also, most of the times Sasuke have used his MS the technique has been Amaterasu, a technique it seemed Itachi wasn't quite as reckless with. And thus, I'd say despite the fact that Itachi obviously used his MS relatively often, that Sasuke resemble Madara when it comes to reckless use of MS.

**~Nemesis~** · 09-09-2009, 04:25 PM

I agree With you Izuna On SSJ4 Theory of Itachi's Hope
sasuke come to obtain the EMS

**Izuna Uchiha** · 09-09-2009, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Ryuusaki

The fact that Izunas eyesight weren't deteriorating as quickly as Madaras might be something as concrete as Madara more frequently using his Mangekyou. Sure, they were training together, but Madara were the most highlighted in terms of leadership and thus probably fell into more combat on the battlefield.

Also, most of the times Sasuke have used his MS the technique has been Amaterasu, a technique it seemed Itachi wasn't quite as reckless with. And thus, I'd say despite the fact that Itachi obviously used his MS relatively often, that Sasuke resemble Madara when it comes to reckless use of MS.

I support ur theory on Madara using his eyes more then Izuna. After all he was said to fight Shodaime on the battle field.

However, I did state in my theory " at near blindness". In other words I was refering to the very last moment before ripping Izuna's eyes out of their sockets. Therefore, I am giving even more time for Izuna to use his sharingan (MS).

And now, let me put it this way: being tempt to take Izuna's eyes to replace his own, don't you think Madara would've ask if he was in the same condition as him? If yes, then why steal them from is brother if he was to end up in the same situation?

Madara had no clue he was about to create the ultimate form of the Sharingan, he needed to be sure is brother's eyes were not losing it's light like is, or at least verify they weren't heading for the same state.

This "prove" if you want that even if Madara did use is MS recklessly, Izuna was still not suffering from it's drawback (or merely) even after using it a certain number of time.

As for Sasuke and Itachi, I have nothing more to show then this:

Originally Posted by darkblade

I agree With you Izuna On SSJ4 Theory of Itachi's Hope
sasuke come to obtain the EMS

thk buddy

**Chakra** · 09-10-2009, 01:23 AM

I'd comment but I haven't gotten through that monster of a theory SSJ4 posted.

However, in terms of Sasuke's eyes deterioration rate... I don't think we can say for sure his deterioration is permanent. Perhaps after recent use of MS the user has blurry vision for a while and regains most of his eyesight back but not all. It just seems ridiculous for Sasuke to have his sight deteriorate so fast after his first use of Amaterasu with his own MS.

**rhin0** · 09-10-2009, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by Izuna Uchiha

Thk u both for reading it all ^^!

your very welcome

**Ryuusaki** · 09-10-2009, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by Izuna Uchiha

I support ur theory on Madara using his eyes more then Izuna. After all he was said to fight Shodaime on the battle field.

However, I did state in my theory " at near blindness". In other words I was refering to the very last moment before ripping Izuna's eyes out of their sockets. Therefore, I am giving even more time for Izuna to use his sharingan (MS).

And now, let me put it this way: being tempt to take Izuna's eyes to replace his own, don't you think Madara would've ask if he was in the same condition as him? If yes, then why steal them from is brother if he was to end up in the same situation?

Madara had no clue he was about to create the ultimate form of the Sharingan, he needed to be sure is brother's eyes were not losing it's light like is, or at least verify they weren't heading for the same state.

This "prove" if you want that even if Madara did use is MS recklessly, Izuna was still not suffering from it's drawback (or merely) even after using it a certain number of time.

As for Sasuke and Itachi, I have nothing more to show then this:

thk buddy

I'm not going to quarrel with you, it's a theory and it does sound probable. Although, referring to the expression "Quality over quantity" it could be that Sasukes heightened skill in actually manipulating the amaterasu, doing things such as putting it out, is more strenuous for his eyes than Itachis jutsu.

**Izuna Uchiha** · 09-10-2009, 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by Ryuusaki

I'm not going to quarrel with you, it's a theory and it does sound probable. Although, referring to the expression "Quality over quantity" it could be that Sasukes heightened skill in actually manipulating the amaterasu, doing things such as putting it out, is more strenuous for his eyes than Itachis jutsu.

Granted ^^

don't want to quarrel either xD

**Orion** · 09-10-2009, 01:15 PM

Nice work. But you I said in that theory, though manga do not confirm this, except for first sentence:-
Reason Madara got EMS was because he took his bro's eyes. I have said in my theory that Both bros possibly was loosing his eye sight. But there was one major diffrence. As I have posted those pics of sharingan, proves there are two types of sharingan, which actually depend upon kind of chakra as well as kind of persona one has. When I said there are two diffrent kinds of MS, it also meant, each one has diffrent deterioration rate, and also has diffrent problems. IMO one of the bros had problem of far-sightedness and other one has problem of close-sightedness, So madara inferred adding two eyes can solve this problem.
As I said above ones persona affects their Sharingan. All the MS users, Kakashi, Itachi and Izuna(hopefully) were good from heart were peace loving shinobis and thus there MS were diffren from their evil counterparts who were neck dip in self pride, arrogance, and likening for revenge.
But overall nice theory, Izuna. reps....

**Chakra** · 09-10-2009, 03:06 PM

perhaps MS deteriorate faster depending on your intentions when gaining MS. For instance, Itachi achieved MS because he wanted something best for the greater good, while Madara achieved MS because he was greedy for power.

**Izuna Uchiha** · 09-10-2009, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by SSJ4Naruto

Nice work. But you I said in that theory, though manga do not confirm this, except for first sentence:-
Reason Madara got EMS was because he took his bro's eyes. I have said in my theory that Both bros possibly was loosing his eye sight. But there was one major diffrence. As I have posted those pics of sharingan, proves there are two types of sharingan, which actually depend upon kind of chakra as well as kind of persona one has. When I said there are two diffrent kinds of MS, it also meant, each one has diffrent deterioration rate, and also has diffrent problems. IMO one of the bros had problem of far-sightedness and other one has problem of close-sightedness, So madara inferred adding two eyes can solve this problem.
As I said above ones persona affects their Sharingan. All the MS users, Kakashi, Itachi and Izuna(hopefully) were good from heart were peace loving shinobis and thus there MS were diffren from their evil counterparts who were neck dip in self pride, arrogance, and likening for revenge.
But overall nice theory, Izuna. reps....

The part in bold is very interesting. Having both half of an eye separated between brothers would be a sick twist by kishi.

Having only 2 brothers with opposite sharingan able to complete the EMS would definitely fit into the recent information we've receive concerning the two brothers of the sage of the six path.

Originally Posted by Chakra

perhaps MS deteriorate faster depending on your intentions when gaining MS. For instance, Itachi achieved MS because he wanted something best for the greater good, while Madara achieved MS because he was greedy for power.

Would also fit since from the very beginning of the manga we have seen the Sharingan respond to the users emotion. For example, the different tomoe of the sharingan are triggered usually during battle when facing desperate situation (Obito and sasuke are good example). The MS would be acquired when facing a psychological trauma regarding love/friendship. EMS is still to determine...

But I love this idea that depending on ur intention, ur MS will react differently. Would explain Itachi's case perfectly.

**Crutch Kaguya** · 09-10-2009, 11:41 PM

I agree with the whole general concept, Kishi is gonna make Sasuke blind so he can get EMS, which Uchiha Madara is looking to take advantage of some how.

**Izuna Uchiha** · 09-11-2009, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by Nine Tailed Naruto

I agree with the whole general concept, Kishi is gonna make Sasuke blind so he can get EMS, which Uchiha Madara is looking to take advantage of some how.

lol EMS+EMS=?

or maybe...

**Orion** · 09-11-2009, 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by SSJ4Naruto

Nice work. But you I said in that theory, though manga do not confirm this, except for first sentence:-
Reason Madara got EMS was because he took his bro's eyes. I have said in my theory that Both bros possibly was loosing his eye sight. But there was one major diffrence. As I have posted those pics of sharingan, proves there are two types of sharingan, which actually depend upon kind of chakra as well as kind of persona one has. When I said there are two diffrent kinds of MS, it also meant, each one has diffrent deterioration rate, and also has diffrent problems. IMO one of the bros had problem of far-sightedness and other one has problem of close-sightedness, So madara inferred adding two eyes can solve this problem.
As I said above ones persona affects their Sharingan. All the MS users, Kakashi, Itachi and Izuna(hopefully) were good from heart were peace loving shinobis and thus there MS were diffren from their evil counterparts who were neck dip in self pride, arrogance, and likening for revenge.
But overall nice theory, Izuna. reps....

Originally Posted by Chakra

perhaps MS deteriorate faster depending on your intentions when gaining MS. For instance, Itachi achieved MS because he wanted something best for the greater good, while Madara achieved MS because he was greedy for power.

we are saying same thing. Ones anger drives their sharingan out of their limits and making them go blind faster.

Originally Posted by Izuna Uchiha

lol EMS+EMS=?

or maybe...

Nooooooo...

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