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    A Strange Question that needs views on.

    Ok before I ask the question, I'm going to add a little background to it. Before I ever got into Naruto and started reading manga I used to be pretty negative on life on the inside but on the outside very happy go lucky... you could go as far as to say goofy. Recently my friend ( who had previously been into the series ) constantly referred to me as Tobi, I never understood what that meant until he told me to get into the Naruto series so as I went home i researched it since then I've been reading everything that's happened and would like to know if you guys think that this statement is true.

    Applying everything into more realistic settings I think that Kishimoto has made Obito right in every way however, I don't think what he's really saying is applying to the Naruto world, I think it's applying more to the world that we live in because I personally agree with almost everything that he's saying and I do not understand why people are disagreeing with what Obito is saying because inside they know he is absolutely true, I'd like to get opinions on what people think about what Obito's saying, if he's truly right or wrong, no stupid arguments about "Oh he's just angry because he got friend zoned" I would genuinely like to get people's feed back on what Obito is actually saying because I find him as a very relate able character as well as Naruto but I would still appreciate feedback?
     
         

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    Re: A Strange Question that needs views on.

    He is right. This world is slowly decaying and getting worse and worse.
     
         

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    Re: A Strange Question that needs views on.

    Quote Originally Posted by rikerslade View Post
    He is right. This world is slowly decaying and getting worse and worse.
    True dat. I remember that thread about some 27 year old guy rapping a 6 month old baby.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by UchihaMadara01 View Post
    True dat. I remember that thread about some 27 year old guy rapping a 6 month old baby.
    0.0 it's like the movie Serbian film the hero fcked his son which is 4 years and a doctor raped a pregenant women and then raped the new born baby damn that was a sick move and fcked up xD
     
         

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    Re: A Strange Question that needs views on.

    Quote Originally Posted by SoulKiller View Post
    0.0 it's like the movie Serbian film the hero fcked his son which is 4 years and a doctor raped a pregenant women and then raped the new born baby damn that was a sick move and fcked up xD
    Dude i just looked that movie up and read the plot and i dont know how the **** you could ever watch that past that opening scene, let alone the whole thing
     
         

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    Re: A Strange Question that needs views on.

    Quote Originally Posted by SoulKiller View Post
    0.0 it's like the movie Serbian film the hero fcked his son which is 4 years and a doctor raped a pregenant women and then raped the new born baby damn that was a sick move and fcked up xD
    wow that movie is so insane O.O
     
         

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    Re: A Strange Question that needs views on.

    Quote Originally Posted by UchihaMadara01 View Post
    True dat. I remember that thread about some 27 year old guy rapping a 6 month old baby.
    Yeah I've read that a little while back. It's Really a shame what this world Is coming to I'll say that this world is getting worse and worse and to be perfectly honest I can't see getting any better within this generation. The stuff you hear on the news is unbelievable makes it seems like nothing good goes on in this world.


    But back on to the topic I do agree with Obito wanting to make a better world for everyone where there is no pain and everyone is happy but it just seems to good to be true. It wouldnt seem like life maybe I'm not making to much sense upon this topic but I do agree with what Obito wants to do but I wouldn't want to see it happen in the show or if it were to happen in real life.
     
         

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    Re: A Strange Question that needs views on.

    Quote Originally Posted by rikerslade View Post
    He is right. This world is slowly decaying and getting worse and worse.
    Slowly?
     
         

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    Slowly?
    If it was quick, then the world would be over by now.
     
         

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    Re: A Strange Question that needs views on.

    Quote Originally Posted by rikerslade View Post
    If it was quick, then the world would be over by now.
    We all pretty much live in a society where everyone is only after their own well being, friendship is nothing but two people exploiting each other until they no longer have use for each other these days...
     
         

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    Re: A Strange Question that needs views on.

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    He is right. This world is slowly decaying and getting worse and worse.
    True story. This world will soon have no standards.
     
         

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    Re: A Strange Question that needs views on.

    Yes bro this world is dying It's getting worse and worse in the end of the day humans will destroy earth people getting worse and worse lol I feel soo Emo right now lol xD well you wanted an answer like this I guess lol
     
         

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    Re: A Strange Question that needs views on.

    Quote Originally Posted by SoulKiller View Post
    Yes bro this world is dying It's getting worse and worse in the end of the day humans will destroy earth people getting worse and worse lol I feel soo Emo right now lol xD well you wanted an answer like this I guess lol
    Well I'm not in any way emo, I'm just a very curious person, but really i'm interested in someone who will disagree with me, what you're saying is true but I guess everyone's already realised that there is no real hope because hope is only a delusion
     
         

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    Re: A Strange Question that needs views on.

    obito!!! you damn pedophile
     
         

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    Re: A Strange Question that needs views on.

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    obito!!! you damn pedophile
    Dat sig

    Where did you get it? Got more of it?
     
         

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    Re: A Strange Question that needs views on.

    You made a thread about this ? Good job.... I've read this in facebook.
     
         

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    Re: A Strange Question that needs views on.

    Quote Originally Posted by J O K E R View Post
    You made a thread about this ? Good job.... I've read this in facebook.
    I made a thread because I am really interested in what other people have to say on this as I believe I am allowed to do so? Maybe you have read something similar I guess but if you really aren't interested in posting anything percieved as useful why reply at all?
     
         

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    Re: A Strange Question that needs views on.

    Yeah, Obito is the "negative" naruto. What could have happened if he wasn't steered in the right direction. For Obito, it was the pain of losing someone you love. Rin was his "light" if you will, and after losing himself he didn't that that person who could be his voice of reason/stability. I thought it was symbolic when he was crushed under the rock holding Rin's hand, and then he told her to hurry and escape when meant he let go of his "light", his "hope". For naruto last chapter proved the prophecy of the old toad sage, he had a decision and obito almost talk no jutsu'd him which makes him exactly like naruto, they both can be somewhat convincing & inspiring. Naruto was waken up by hinata, who's name means "sunny place", so she's his light, and instead of forgetting the hand, he grabbed the "light" & the "hope" which was hinata's hand.

    Basically, Kishi is saying we can do either of two things. Submit and be weighed down by the world, or we can grab a hold of the light, the hope no matter how small it might be. Things in the world are bad, but the thing is, that things can be better, and it's a good start. It begins with us. sorry for the long analysis, just my thoughts.
     
         

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    Re: A Strange Question that needs views on.

    Quote Originally Posted by staticdash22 View Post
    Yeah, Obito is the "negative" naruto. What could have happened if he wasn't steered in the right direction. For Obito, it was the pain of losing someone you love. Rin was his "light" if you will, and after losing himself he didn't that that person who could be his voice of reason/stability. I thought it was symbolic when he was crushed under the rock holding Rin's hand, and then he told her to hurry and escape when meant he let go of his "light", his "hope". For naruto last chapter proved the prophecy of the old toad sage, he had a decision and obito almost talk no jutsu'd him which makes him exactly like naruto, they both can be somewhat convincing & inspiring. Naruto was waken up by hinata, who's name means "sunny place", so she's his light, and instead of forgetting the hand, he grabbed the "light" & the "hope" which was hinata's hand.

    Basically, Kishi is saying we can do either of two things. Submit and be weighed down by the world, or we can grab a hold of the light, the hope no matter how small it might be. Things in the world are bad, but the thing is, that things can be better, and it's a good start. It begins with us. sorry for the long analysis, just my thoughts.
    That was excellent, I'm glad I read that because it's a very good thing to see, but do you yourself personally believe in what Kishi is trying to say, people with power come and promise change but the only change is things get worse, if you look around you today, looking at our generation you may see people who are separated from the rest because they may be smarter, more athletic or perceived as better in some way, but do you really think that everyone can be winners? there's always losers and losing in itself may be all that someone is capable of, when we lose the light in our lives we are enveloped by darkness and stop moving forward in life, when we need support the most the people who you call comrades are the ones who offer no help, when we lose our light and we gain another that light will be dimmer than the first one if you know what i'm trying to say, I value your opinion very much but I ask you, do you truly believe what you just wrote or are you making yourself believe in it?
     
         

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    Re: A Strange Question that needs views on.

    Quote Originally Posted by StraawHat View Post
    That was excellent, I'm glad I read that because it's a very good thing to see, but do you yourself personally believe in what Kishi is trying to say, people with power come and promise change but the only change is things get worse, if you look around you today, looking at our generation you may see people who are separated from the rest because they may be smarter, more athletic or perceived as better in some way, but do you really think that everyone can be winners? there's always losers and losing in itself may be all that someone is capable of, when we lose the light in our lives we are enveloped by darkness and stop moving forward in life, when we need support the most the people who you call comrades are the ones who offer no help, when we lose our light and we gain another that light will be dimmer than the first one if you know what i'm trying to say, I value your opinion very much but I ask you, do you truly believe what you just wrote or are you making yourself believe in it?
    Actually I do understand what obito is saying and alot of it is true. Just think about the decisions that governments make. No matter the decision there will always be someone who will be screwed over & hurt in order to accomplish your goals. I think this is a lesson that Kishi wants naruto to realize. He has to be weary of the lives he will affect when you're under a leadership position. From that pain that was caused by their decisions, comes hate. What I was saying is that yes, we need to fully understand how the world works, it isn't black & white, but one big grey area. Acknowledge that the world is getting worse, but that is where kishi's message comes in. What are we gonna do about it? Sit on our couch, and say "hey it's not me so whatever". Or do you stand on your values when society has lost theirs. People will always judge another based on their looks/athletic ability, and ect.

    This is a quote I hear in Assassin's Creed:

    "Those you sought to protect have turned their backs on you, and you still resist, why"?

    "Because No one else will!"

    Sometimes you may be the last one with any sort of sense left, does that mean you should stop fighting? Nah
     
         

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    Re: A Strange Question that needs views on.

    Quote Originally Posted by staticdash22 View Post
    Actually I do understand what obito is saying and alot of it is true. Just think about the decisions that governments make. No matter the decision there will always be someone who will be screwed over & hurt in order to accomplish your goals. I think this is a lesson that Kishi wants naruto to realize. He has to be weary of the lives he will affect when you're under a leadership position. From that pain that was caused by their decisions, comes hate. What I was saying is that yes, we need to fully understand how the world works, it isn't black & white, but one big grey area. Acknowledge that the world is getting worse, but that is where kishi's message comes in. What are we gonna do about it? Sit on our couch, and say "hey it's not me so whatever". Or do you stand on your values when society has lost theirs. People will always judge another based on their looks/athletic ability, and ect.

    This is a quote I hear in Assassin's Creed:

    "Those you sought to protect have turned their backs on you, and you still resist, why"?

    "Because No one else will!"

    Sometimes you may be the last one with any sort of sense left, does that mean you should stop fighting? Nah
    Yes I see where it is you are coming from but think about it, what we do in life doesn't affect much in life, we leave the big decision making to the higher upps and when they make a decision it most likely doesn't benefit us, we live in a world were all different kinds of segregation causes us to be separated as a society amungst certain groups, we can all acknowledge the fact that our world is getting better but even Kishi himself knows that he doesn't have an answer on how to solve the plagues that ruin lives, if he had known then Naruto would surely have been able to protect his loved ones by creating this peace he has power and responsibility, he knows that it's because of him that many people have laid down their lives and died but how many people do we know are willing to put their life on the line to make the world a better place for others? a very small if not nothing of a handful of people. We all resist the fact that we know ways to make a difference but we do not care enough to go out and make an actual difference, even I myself go out and try to make a difference but yet all my despite my best efforts all I can do is inspire the younger to follow the fake role model I let them believe I am because the children of the next gen are our only salvation, people of this gen are selfish and all have evil in their hearts, I will freely admit that I do to, but inside our hearts is also good but people choose to hide this away from others from fear of being hurt, this creates distrust between people, families fight and our so called bonds are torn apart, so tell me, answer me this question. Have you ever truly felt pain in your life? Yes that quote does retain a lot of sense but think about it, sometimes retreating and changing your plan is the only way to win the game at the end of the day
     
         

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    Re: A Strange Question that needs views on.

    Quote Originally Posted by staticdash22 View Post
    Yeah, Obito is the "negative" naruto. What could have happened if he wasn't steered in the right direction. For Obito, it was the pain of losing someone you love. Rin was his "light" if you will, and after losing himself he didn't that that person who could be his voice of reason/stability. I thought it was symbolic when he was crushed under the rock holding Rin's hand, and then he told her to hurry and escape when meant he let go of his "light", his "hope". For naruto last chapter proved the prophecy of the old toad sage, he had a decision and obito almost talk no jutsu'd him which makes him exactly like naruto, they both can be somewhat convincing & inspiring. Naruto was waken up by hinata, who's name means "sunny place", so she's his light, and instead of forgetting the hand, he grabbed the "light" & the "hope" which was hinata's hand.

    Basically, Kishi is saying we can do either of two things. Submit and be weighed down by the world, or we can grab a hold of the light, the hope no matter how small it might be. Things in the world are bad, but the thing is, that things can be better, and it's a good start. It begins with us. sorry for the long analysis, just my thoughts.
    I like that...u r a really deep thinker...plus rep. Got me thinkin bout life...lol
     
         

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    Re: A Strange Question that needs views on.

    What I have created here for everyone today who has read this is the realization in their minds that they know that can be and should be doing better than they are, at that last point in the manga Naruto represented the people of our world, we all have friends and family that we care about and want to protect but when we lose them our wills are broken down and we know not what to do, Hinata symbolizes the lights that shine in our darkest hour as stated previously, we need this light in our lives to push us forward in life, but we are not all so fortunate to have this light that shines and clears the dark abyss that exists in our soles, when the light is the reason we fall into this darkness we are left in the middle, unable to move forwards and unable to move backwards, we are not in the black area or in the white area, we are in the gray area and it is the pain from this that allows us to understand each other, I am in this middle area and acknowledge that I have nothing and that I am nothing, but it doesn't mean that you must just give up and be tied down by the weights of life or run chaotic because your life is bad, No! It means that you should instead make the world a better place by being the light that shines through the darkness in people's lives, show them that they have a meaning to someone because in the end you will gain followers and support, doing so is what gives you real power, not the stupid concept of being powerful because you have money, but being powerful because you have people who we know cherish life and everything in it and are willing to die to make this world a better place and set a better example for our next generation. If anybody wants to talk about this more one on one PM me and I will leave you my email address and I will reply to every message left.
     
         

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    Re: A Strange Question that needs views on.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Orange Hokage View Post
    I like that...u r a really deep thinker...plus rep. Got me thinkin bout life...lol
    aha, thanks man.
     
         

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    Re: A Strange Question that needs views on.

    Thanks for typing my thoughts. Couldn't agree more. Yes it's bad and seems to be getting worse. But belief in what is good can make life not only possible but enjoyable.
     
         

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