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    Re: Is our Savior out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by YowYan View Post
    hey Shane, don't take my words wrong.

    'jesus' stands for spiritual and intellectual enlightenment upliftment in all of us. Jesus himself may have existed but what he passed on were his ideals and morals. I doubt he wished for us to 'worship' him, and hope he'll come back. Rather lay down the cultural dogma that religion brought to us, and think.
    You doubted correctly, Jesus was SAID to be God's son and came to earth to spread God's ideals. Jesus doesn't want us to 'worship' him, God wants us to worship him. What you said about Jesus there is right.
     
         

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    Re: Is our Savior out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by KingHashirama View Post
    My friend what is a "Perfect world"? If we don't know what a "Perfect world" is then how can we possibly say it is meant to be imperfect?

    Our purpose.... we make our own purpose.

    Utopia doesn't not mean peace.... Peace is where everyone has accepted each other with their own will.

    It requires laws to maintain peace.. but that does not mean it has to be Utopia.. All peace requires is us understanding our neighbors and all we know.

    War and Hate will never leave.It's up to us whether we want to dwell upon it or not.The self-righteous prefer to complain about it, as if there's a simple solution to the issue.

    We've had war for millennias, yet people talk about it as if ranting about it will solve anything.


    You're saying that the world's "becoming" something it's always has been. Why don't you disregard the great depression, WWII, WWI, Slavery, and everything else F*cked up with the past....lmao

    Things can change, for better or worse,we can ask a barrage of questions, on a fansite, that have no simple answer, or we can just do something about it.

    The world could get better, but there will always be someone who isn't satisfied, and instead points out all the negative things about life.
     
         

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    Re: Is our Savior out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by KingHashirama View Post
    Religion can also equal peace. We humanity have mistook the world religion and made into castes. While it is only yours and my belief.

    What Jiraya in the Naruto manga spread around was also a religion, and all it stated was to have true peace we must accept each other.
    But I see what you mean and I will sadly have to agree with it.
    Yes Religions is one thing that will create true peace. But until the day comes when we can truly accept each others beliefs and religions. Religions will as well being dangerous
     
         

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    Re: Is our Savior out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by KingHashirama View Post
    Religion can also equal peace. We humanity have mistook the world religion and made into castes. While it is only yours and my belief.

    What Jiraya in the Naruto manga spread around was also a religion, and all it stated was to have true peace we must accept each other.

    But I see what you mean and I will sadly have to agree with it.



    Why mention your religion status instead of just saying "In my opinion"? My friend those who wrote the bible did not write it to Jesus Christ's beliefs... they wrote what they themselves believed Jesus Christ's believed.


    Danzo gave his whole life to Konoha.. And i guess Stalin was in America while he was running the USSR? and same for Hitler.

    Danzo wasn't a egomaniac? Which manga have you been reading... He stood by while his Hokage got killed, He drank tea while his hokage was close to getting killed. He didn't do crap while his village destroyed. All he wanted was to be HOKAGE. O_o. Hitler also wanted to 'protect' Germany same for Stalin....

    And I can agree with your point on that peace my friend. It is not that we don't have discovries like those , it is that we choose to ignore them.
    My opinion is my religious status......it's basically the same thing, at least the same meaning.

    And you're wrong, the people who wrote the Bible took the ideals/words that Jesus was trying and to and did spread to people. I don't want to argue about beliefs, but I'm trying to say is that what you said is incorrect about what WAS said about the Bible.
     
         

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    Re: Is our Savior out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreckerplayer View Post
    War and Hate will never leave.It's up to us whether we want to dwell upon it or not.The self-righteous prefer to complain about it, as if there's a simple solution to the issue.

    We've had war for millennias, yet people talk about it as if ranting about it will solve anything.


    You're saying that the world's "becoming" something it's always has been. Why don't you disregard the great depression, WWII, WWI, Slavery, and everything else F*cked up with the past....lmao

    Things can change, for better or worse,we can ask a barrage of questions, on a fansite, that have no simple answer, or we can just do something about it.

    The world could get better, but there will always be someone who isn't satisfied, and instead points out all the negative things about life.
    And how did war and Hate enter? Because of we chose to enter them. How can they leave? if we choose to make them leave.

    People have talked about war like that before also.. but it was never to a scale that if a WW3 was to happen it could destroy the very planet we live on..

    And when have I stated its becoming something it wasn't in the past? But I sure in hell didn't see 10 + year olds talking about 'sex' or ' fvcking someone' ,in the olden days.

    And we can also, read the thread clearly on the fansite, and see that those questions are rhetorical and for self-assessment. And how can we do something about something we do not assess about? That we are not reminded about?

    Also, I agree... but that is where 'accepting others' comes in my friend.




    Quote Originally Posted by Ventalus View Post
    Yes Religions is one thing that will create true peace. But until the day comes when we can truly accept each others beliefs and religions. Religions will as well being dangerous
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEyyy View Post
    My opinion is my religious status......it's basically the same thing, at least the same meaning.

    And you're wrong, the people who wrote the Bible took the ideals/words that Jesus was trying and to and did spread to people. I don't want to argue about beliefs, but I'm trying to say is that what you said is incorrect about what WAS said about the Bible.
    But when you mention your religion , you make it seem like it is not your opinion but you following something that is set up for you to believe.

    How do you know? they existed 2000+ years ago?. How can they write someone's beliefs if he was dead when they wrote them? If that person had already written down his beliefs why not just put them in the bible?
     
         
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    Re: Is our Savior out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by KingHashirama View Post
    My friend what is a "Perfect world"? If we don't know what a "Perfect world" is then how can we possibly say it is meant to be imperfect?

    Our purpose.... we make our own purpose.

    Utopia doesn't not mean peace.... Peace is where everyone has accepted each other with their own will.

    It requires laws to maintain peace.. but that does not mean it has to be Utopia.. All peace requires is us understanding our neighbors and all we know.

    Savior is the Firefighter who saved a family from burning.
    Savior is the police man who saved people from dieing
    Savior is the man who came in front of the shooter in the Wisconsin Sikh Temple shooting and took the bullets instead of others taking them.

    You saying , " This thread is so ignorant" can also be offensive to religious people. I myself am a religious person.

    You speak of Jesus christ.. but yet your bible is not even read in its original language around the world. You talk about a Man 2,000 years ago being the savior.. yet you have not seen him. You call him the savior but ignore the saviors of a country , or a region... Why?

    Religion is your own belief practiced by many people. I do not have to be a in a major religion to be religious.

    By calling the thread ignorant, are you calling the Manga known as NARUTO ignorant also? or Bleach?

    It is you my friend who chose to be ignorant and believed only your precious Jesus christ is the savior. Not the thread.

    And I respect that you want a better world also.


    A Savior can be a single person , who opens our eyes and makes us see reality and then we follow that savior.

    My friend, if we unite there breaking down that wall will not be heard. On our own it is nearly impossible.
    I think a better fitted word for your examples is, 'hero'. I view a savior as a person that saves all, not just one or a couple. So that is what I call a hero.

    Of course it's not read in it's original language, it's language is the old English that was used in the book, Julius Caesar, it's hard to read at times so professions translated it to make it easier to read.

    I don't know if you ever heard this before, but you don't have to see, to believe. We view Jesus as our savior because if he hadn't died on the cross, we wouldn't be here right now. Again, this is just what we believe. You yourself said your religious, so I'm assuming you believe in a type of God, so if you never seen him, why do you believe him? That, is what doesn't make sense to me. Why?

    I don't even think you know what 'Ignorant' means, ignorant is lacking of knowledge, so how am I lacking of knowledge if I believe Jesus is the savior, when according to the Bible, if he wasn't here, we wouldn't be here. I am not lacking knowledge on the behalf of that. I said your thread is ignorant because you lacked the knowledge of the offense it proposed.
     
         
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    Re: Is our Savior out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by KingHashirama View Post
    And how did war and Hate enter? Because of we chose to enter them. How can they leave? if we choose to make them leave.

    People have talked about war like that before also.. but it was never to a scale that if a WW3 was to happen it could destroy the very planet we live on..

    And when have I stated its becoming something it wasn't in the past? But I sure in hell didn't see 10 + year olds talking about 'sex' or ' fvcking someone' ,in the olden days.

    And we can also, read the thread clearly on the fansite, and see that those questions are rhetorical and for self-assessment. And how can we do something about something we do not assess about? That we are not reminded about?

    Also, I agree... but that is where 'accepting others' comes in my friend.






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    But when you mention your religion , you make it seem like it is not your opinion but you following something that is set up for you to believe.

    How do you know? they existed 2000+ years ago?. How can they write someone's beliefs if he was dead when they wrote them? If that person had already written down his beliefs why not just put them in the bible?



    I disagree on what it seemed to look like to you.

    Are you serious? Even a non-religious person would be able to figure this out. Before he was dead(before they killed him on the cross), they wrote down his ideals when he was alive....... And they did put those beliefs in the Bible. But now your starting to be ignorant here because you're implying your doubt of the Bible, which is starting a religious debate here of whether or not the Bible is true with Jesus's sayings. So I'm done talking about the Bible.
     
         
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    Re: Is our Savior out there?

    Do you honestly believe that a single person can 'save' us from all of those problems that you mentioned? Stop dreaming...
     
         

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    Re: Is our Savior out there?

    [QUOTE=KingHashirama;9712561]And how did war and Hate enter? Because of we chose to enter them. How can they leave? if we choose to make them leave.

    People have talked about war like that before also.. but it was never to a scale that if a WW3 was to happen it could destroy the very planet we live on..

    And when have I stated its becoming something it wasn't in the past? But I sure in hell didn't see 10 + year olds talking about 'sex' or ' fvcking someone' ,in the olden days.

    And we can also, read the thread clearly on the fansite, and see that those questions are rhetorical and for self-assessment. And how can we do something about something we do not assess about? That we are not reminded about?

    Also, I agree... but that is where 'accepting others' comes in my friend.



    Olden days?How old are you, exactly?lmao

    But you're right, people back then really fixated on the "respect your elders, but don't expect respect back" cliche.

    My parent's grew up the same way, but sadly, they don't set much of an example.I must admit, I'm very outspoken, and I have some personal anger that I deal with, and I end up letting it all out on the wrong person.

    You grow tired of the condescending remarks, and how an elder "lifts their eyebrows"(It indicates that they think you're beneath them) when talking to you.

    It's funny, that whenever my grandmother or grandfather visits america, they always engage in arguments and disrespect each other, and when someone else brings it to their attention, they "deny" it, instead of owning up to it.

    I don't mind admitting my faults, but when you grow up around bigoted,hypocritical adults, they make you feel terrible about the things you've done, to the point where you end up just like them "Denying everything".

    It's very tough, but it's only the love for my family that keeps me striving...*sigh* "Life is preparation, for a better world"...gotta keep telling myself this.
     
         

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    Re: Is our Savior out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by PhazoN View Post
    Do you honestly believe that a single person can 'save' us from all of those problems that you mentioned? Stop dreaming...
    Stop the hatred, and start believe. It's not about Him or Her it's about US, WE. We can create a new world.
    If God now exist he could easily make one person save us with his power. But if God exist it would as well proven us that he don't find himself reasonable to help us for what we have done to his world that he gave us. God is sitting and watching us fail more and more with the world that he once gave us.
     
         

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    Re: Is our Savior out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ventalus View Post
    Stop the hatred, and start believe. It's not about Him or Her it's about US, WE. We can create a new world.
    If God now exist he could easily make one person save us with his power. But if God exist it would as well proven us that he don't find himself reasonable to help us for what we have done to his world that he gave us. God is sitting and watching us fail more and more with the world that he once gave us.
    No, we can't. You can't stop people from hating each other and 'believing' will solve nothing.
     
         

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    Re: Is our Savior out there?

    Did someone call for me?
     
         

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    Re: Is our Savior out there?

    honestly brother if their is a god then he does not interfere with mans job it is mans job to run this world , simply put we are the saviours of this world and its destroyers. all thats left to see is there humanity still left in our pitiful race.
     
         

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    Re: Is our Savior out there?

    Quote Originally Posted by Strawberry Ninja View Post
    honestly brother if their is a god then he does not interfere with mans job it is mans job to run this world , simply put we are the saviours of this world and its destroyers. all thats left to see is there humanity still left in our pitiful race.
    I agree, I really hate when people rely on God and drag god in to stuff that needs to be handled by people.
     
         

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