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    Re: Why don't people understand?

    Honestly, it's no use. The main reason why people refuse to look further is because they're disappointed with Kishi's choice. It's a common fact that when a person disagrees, they become unreasonable... even narrow-minded.

    Personally, it's clear what Obito stands for and what he wishes to accomplish (this battle is the repeat of the younger brother (Naruto) vs older brother (Obito)), but I also wish there was more to Obito's flashbacks. We knew Rin's death was going to play a huge role, but it turned out to be the only event that changed him completely. Tobi himself is such a dynamic character, so I guess people expected to find out a list of twisted and sinister stuff, especially with Madara involved.
     
         
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    Re: Why don't people understand?

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    that sir is a no brainer, people just like to mess with obito.
    How DO you mess with a non existent character?
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    I just think it's sad the way Kisame died, i mean really?? He had sooo much potential!! Why Kishi, Why?!
    Cry me a river.
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    Wrong, completely wrong, if rin was revealed to be alive right this second and obito saw her with good proof that it was her, since he can use his sharingan to remember her chackra, he would not continue his plan.



    Because the akatuki is all he had, kishi didnt want obito to have to betray him, since he didnt the akatsuki anymore
    No bud, you're wrong. After seeing Rin die, Madara's words got through to him, and the pain of her death made him grow up.
     
         

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    Re: Why don't people understand?

    Madara would probably make sure that shes dead so Obito cant change his mind about the plan :D
     
         

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    Re: Why don't people understand?

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    Come now, it's no shame if Obito is doing all of this in the name of love. Lots of people do crazy things in love's name, why do you think King Henry VIII of England broke away from Rome and established the Church of England? because he wanted to marry his biddy Anne Boleyn the whole wars of religion started afterwards, people are sometimes merely casualties from the banal desires of powerful people.
    I have tried to reason this, now I am left with one option, WELCOME TO MY IGNORE LIST!! Enjoy your stay!

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    Why not? It only took two minutes to read.
    He replied in 10 seconds.
    Quote Originally Posted by Animaeon View Post
    Honestly, it's no use. The main reason why people refuse to look further is because they're disappointed with Kishi's choice. It's a common fact that when a person disagrees, they become unreasonable... even narrow-minded.

    Personally, it's clear what Obito stands for and what he wishes to accomplish (this battle is the repeat of the younger brother (Naruto) vs older brother (Obito)), but even I wish there was more to Obito's flashbacks. We knew Rin's death was going to play a huge role, but it turned out to be the only event that changed him completely. Tobi himself is such a dynamic character, so I guess people expected to find out a list of twisted and sinister stuff, especially with Madara involved.
    I am hoping against hope, I already know its futile.
     
         

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    Re: Why don't people understand?

    I think you're reading into things. Madara thinks of other people as insects, so why does he want to end suffering? He doesn't really have to much motivation if you ask me. I guess he wants world domination? Kishimoto hasn't established much motivation for Obito or Madara.
     
         

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    Re: Why don't people understand?

    Quote Originally Posted by enuzuki View Post
    I think you're reading into things. Madara thinks of other people as insects, so why does he want to end suffering? He doesn't really have to much motivation if you ask me. I guess he wants world domination? Kishimoto hasn't established much motivation for Obito or Madara.
    It's just like Darth Vader and the Emperor, Anakin ventured into the dark side in the hope of saving Padme's life, he failed and she died but he was already submerged into darkness so there's no turning back so he did all his atrocities in the name of the Empire, the same can be said of Obito, while the Emperor is Madara who gave false promises only to use his apprentice for his personal gain and galactic domination. Whether Madara is the idealist that he claims to be in creating a perfect world or an insidious snake who has ulterior motives remains to be seen.
     
         
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    Re: Why don't people understand?

    Quote Originally Posted by enuzuki View Post
    I think you're reading into things. Madara thinks of other people as insects, so why does he want to end suffering? He doesn't really have to much motivation if you ask me. I guess he wants world domination? Kishimoto hasn't established much motivation for Obito or Madara.
    That may be Madara's point of view but not Obito's. He truly has lost all hope or faith in the current world, and is trying to create a new one without the kind of suffering he had to endure. Just re-read the last chapter, 615
     
         

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    Re: Why don't people understand?

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    How DO you mess with a non existent character?

    Cry me a river.


    No bud, you're wrong. After seeing Rin die, Madara's words got through to him, and the pain of her death made him grow up.
    The words would have meant nothing if rin didnt die, she is the only reason that he went with madara. If rin had been alive and he saved her and kakashi he would have never came back. If kakashi was the one who died he wouldnt have turned back either. When he gets back he states that rin will be in his new world. The purpose is only to get rin back.
     
         
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    Re: Why don't people understand?

    kakashi's choice might be like kisame's ... but that's what a ninja is & was about in those times , obito did all this cause he couldn't take the death of a friend(fodder) ... you dont see kakashi starting a war because obito die & he had to kill rin for whatever reason , NO! ... obito reason will always be shit to me & pathetic
     
         

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    Re: Why don't people understand?

    Quote Originally Posted by Animaeon View Post
    Honestly, it's no use. The main reason why people refuse to look further is because they're disappointed with Kishi's choice. It's a common fact that when a person disagrees, they become unreasonable... even narrow-minded.

    Personally, it's clear what Obito stands for and what he wishes to accomplish (this battle is the repeat of the younger brother (Naruto) vs older brother (Obito)), but I also wish there was more to Obito's flashbacks. We knew Rin's death was going to play a huge role, but it turned out to be the only event that changed him completely. Tobi himself is such a dynamic character, so I guess people expected to find out a list of twisted and sinister stuff, especially with Madara involved.
    You my friend.....are truly smart!
     
         

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    Re: Why don't people understand?

    Quote Originally Posted by labiancareality View Post
    kakashi's choice might be like kisame's ... but that's what a ninja is & was about in those times , obito did all this cause he couldn't take the death of a friend(fodder) ... you dont see kakashi starting a war because obito die & he had to kill rin for whatever reason , NO! ... obito reason will always be shit to me & pathetic
    Amen to that brother
     
         

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    Re: Why don't people understand?

    Quote Originally Posted by celarian View Post
    The words would have meant nothing if rin didnt die, she is the only reason that he went with madara. If rin had been alive and he saved her and kakashi he would have never came back. If kakashi was the one who died he wouldnt have turned back either. When he gets back he states that rin will be in his new world. The purpose is only to get rin back.
    NO! The realisation that came after her death, when Madara's words echoed in his brain about the nature of the world, is when he decided to change the world's fate.
     
         

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    Re: Why don't people understand?



    This is obito's plan.... Now I want to here you say it wasnt because of rin, if you cant, then you are wrong
     
         
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    Re: Why don't people understand?

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    This is obito's plan.... Now I want to here you say it wasnt because of rin, if you cant, then you are wrong
    Thread starter is obviously in denial :D
     
         

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    Re: Why don't people understand?

    Quote Originally Posted by The God of Wind View Post
    That may be Madara's point of view but not Obito's. He truly has lost all hope or faith in the current world, and is trying to create a new one without the kind of suffering he had to endure. Just re-read the last chapter, 615
    Still, the motivation for the the moon eye plan seems rushed, Kishimoto could have developed on the story. Hell, Obito was Madara for more then a decade, there's alot of choices to be made there, i just think it would be a smart idea to give the people that are trying to take over the world, a plausible or even passable motivation for doing so. Instead we get the Star wars prequel treatment.
     
         

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    Re: Why don't people understand?

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    This is obito's plan.... Now I want to here you say it wasnt because of rin
    If Rin was to be a part of his new world, she would just be a figment of Obito's imagination and nothing more. She is dead! Nothing will bring her truly back to life. The only thing left to do, is to change the order and fate of the shitty world that led to her death.
     
         

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    Re: Why don't people understand?

    Quote Originally Posted by The God of Wind View Post
    If Rin was to be a part of his new world, she would just be a figment of Obito's imagination and nothing more. She is dead! Nothing will bring her truly back to life. The only thing left to do, is to change the order and fate of the shitty world that led to her death.
    That's the whole point of Infinite Tsukoyomi, to live in a fantasy world! a fantasy world where Rin is alive. is that so hard to grasp? lol
     
         

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    Re: Why don't people understand?

    Quote Originally Posted by The God of Wind View Post
    If Rin was to be a part of his new world, she would just be a figment of Obito's imagination and nothing more. She is dead! Nothing will bring her truly back to life. The only thing left to do, is to change the order and fate of the shitty world that led to her death.
    so? Its still because of rin
     
         

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    Re: Why don't people understand?

    Quote Originally Posted by enuzuki View Post
    Still, the motivation for the the moon eye plan seems rushed, Kishimoto could have developed on the story. Hell, Obito was Madara for more then a decade, there's alot of choices to be made there, i just think it would be a smart idea to give the people that are trying to take over the world, a plausible or even passable motivation for doing so. Instead we get the Star wars prequel treatment.
    No dude, why don't you see that what Madara had been preaching to him for years about the nature of their world finally dawned upon him through Rin's death. He understood it, and accepted it.
     
         

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    Re: Why don't people understand?

    Quote Originally Posted by The God of Wind View Post
    If Rin was to be a part of his new world, she would just be a figment of Obito's imagination and nothing more. She is dead! Nothing will bring her truly back to life. The only thing left to do, is to change the order and fate of the shitty world that led to her death.
    That's a terrible reason. Doesn't Obito have the six path resurrection ability? He was supposed to revive Madara with it, right? So why doesn't he just revive Rin?
     
         

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