Why don't people understand?

[The God of Wind -in detention-]

what triggered obito and got him listening to madara's plan (to even consider it) is RIN'S death.

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[JIRAIYA perv]

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there is a difference between what triggered him and if he is really convinced that this world has to change. IF obito didn't see rin die maybe he wouldn't have even listened to madara for a second and kept thinking that he is just a crazy old man who wants to control everyone BUT madara used that tragedy to get obito to open up for the idea (seeing someone dear to him die made him question what he believes and wonder if madara was right).

[★Sir Derp Obito]

Sigh, do I have to repeat myself:

Rin Dies
Obito Cries
Goes to Madara
Because she died
Madara gave Eye of the Moon Plan
He thought it's swag, so off he ran
Forms Akatsuki
Captures the Jinchurikis
All for the revival of the Juubi
To power the Infinite Tsukoyomi
To be together forever with his biddy.

[Fitz]

Naruto is for our entertainment and Kishimoto is doing it for money. I am happy life is so spimple for you.

Well you're definately not gonna find the answer to life in a manga.

[The God of Wind -in detention-]

there is a difference between between what triggered him and if he is really convinced that this world has to change. IF obito didn't see rin die maybe he wouldn't have even listened to madara for a second and kept thinking that he is just a crazy old man who wants to control everyone BUT madara used that tragedy to get obito to open up for the idea.

If he was just mad about her dying, Kakashi would be dead. The fact that Kakashi committed such a horrifying atrocity because of the world that they live in, is what made him lose all of his faith. It wasn't her death, it was the act. Kakashi's Chidori through Rin.

That is why before Obito says: "I will change the fate of this world", he turns and looks back at Kakashi

He wants to annihilate a world where his comrades killed each other. Madara's plan was the only way to do that.

If he just wanted vengeance, he would destroy the world and everything in it, he had enough power to do that with just the Mazo and the Juubi is overkill.

Instead, he wants to change the past, present and future of the world. Erase it's current existence.

[The God of Wind -in detention-]

Well you're definately not gonna find the answer to life in a manga.

Lool! And how the hell could you possibly know what I am seeking?

[JIRAIYA perv]

If he was just mad about her dying, Kakashi would be dead. The fact Kakashi committed such a horrifying atrocity because of the world that they live in, is what made him lose all of his faith. It wasn't her death, it was the act. Kakashi's Chidori through Rin.

That is why before Obito says: "I will change the fate of this world", he turns and looks back at Kakashi

He wants to annihilate a world where his comrades killed each other. Madara's plan was the only way to do that.

If he just wanted vengeance, he would destroy the world and everything in it, he had enough power to do that with just the Mazo and the Juubi is overkill.

Instead, he wants to change the past, present and future of the world. Erase it's current existence.

lol bro am not saying anything that contradicts your point, the CURRENT obito is really convinced that this world needs to change BUT that still that doesn't deny that rin's death (the loss of someone dear to him someone he loved) weekend his beliefs and made him consider madara's ideas. all am saying is that obito was a good kid who believed in all that is good so he didn't want anything to do with madara but when the tragedy happened, madara used that to get to him.

[Animaeon]

there is a difference between what triggered him and if he is really convinced that this world has to change. IF obito didn't see rin die maybe he wouldn't have even listened to madara for a second and kept thinking that he is just a crazy old man who wants to control everyone BUT madara used that tragedy to get obito to open up for the idea.

Yes, that is true. Rin's death was the start of it all and if nothing happened to her, he probably would still be good. But that's not what people are arguing about. One side claims that Obito joined Madara just because Rin died and that he only wants Infinite Tsukuyomi to be with her again. The other side claims that it wasn't just Rin's death but mostly the circumstances of her death that made him want to join Madara, and that he's now striving for peace in the form of an illusion.

If Rin had tripped and stabbed herself in the heart accidentally (stupid example, but it gets the job done), would Obito have gone back to Madara?

[JIRAIYA perv]

Yes, that is true. Rin's death was the start of it all and if nothing happened to her, he probably would still be good. But that's not what people are arguing about. One side claims that Obito joined Madara just because Rin died and that he only wants Infinite Tsukuyomi to be with her again. The other side claims that it wasn't just Rin's death but mostly the circumstances of her death that made him want to join Madara, and that he's now striving for peace in the form of an illusion.

If Rin had tripped and stabbed herself in the heart accidentally (stupid example, but it gets the job done), would Obito have gone back to Madara?

alright, sorry i didn't see what the debate was about but that is silly. clearly obito believes that this world needs to change and he strongly believes that the eye moon plan is the only solution to achieve peace. now being with RIN again is only a part of what motivates him, but in his head he is really convinced about madara's view of the world.

now that example you gave indeed was silly lol, but my answer would be MAYBE (i lean more to NO but obito was all about rin at that age). you see rin died in combat (in a life time of war) so madara knew exactly how to use this tragedy to get to the boy.

[a banned cartoon]

When you said "How can someone who witnessed the death of his beloved, who obviously... had to be killed to serve a higher purpose". I thought you meant how Kakashi, had to kill her, and live with that bourdon. You also kind of answered your own question, by showing him manipulating Kisame. He's only doing it for selfish reasons, unlike the other side of the war. One side of the war is fighting only to protect two people (Naruto, Bee). The other side is only fighting for thereownselfish reasons (to live in a world where every thing works out there way). Anyways,no point in arguing with people whom can't accept an ideal that doesn't suit themselves.

[CrimsonIgnition]

maybe

[AlexXx]

agree someone badass like obito
cant be an emo

[Omnipotent]

Not her death in general, it was the fact that KAKASHI KILLED HER HIMSELF! You must understand the magnitude and impact of that event.

He hates the ninja system that brought about the kind of circumstances that forced his friends to break their promises and kill each other. He wants to end the type of world that forces comrades to kill comrades. Do you understand what I am conveying here?

Obito:"Kakashi.....you and I both know, that this world produces nothing but trash. You and I are fine examples of that."

No.

Why else would he say "I will create a world where you're alive" to Rin's dead body? Why would he, right after doing that, agree to go along with Madara's plan?

You seem to value your interpretations more highly than the interpretations of others.

[The God of Wind -in detention-]

No.

Why else would he say "I will create a world where you're alive" to Rin's dead body? Why would he, right after doing that, agree to go along with Madara's plan?

You seem to value your interpretations more highly than the interpretations of others.

Or you just don't have the capacity to understand such a concept because it's not over simplified like most of the things you comprehend.
Look at this:

WTF IS OBITO SAYING WHILE THAT SAME SITUATION IS BEING SHOWN?! :sy:

You obviously don't see the bigger picture because you are either naive or just too young to get it. Which is one of the reasons why I hate when 12 year olds read this manga.

You wanna know Obito's true mentality, go read chapter 615

[Kage Phoenix]

I see

[hamstaman]

maybe the know that the world is not a perfect world but the don't want to believe it and the death of someone beloved is just the trigger to realise it

[The God of Wind -in detention-]

maybe the know that the world is not a perfect world but the don't want to believe it and the death of someone beloved is just the trigger to realise it

"Not a perfect world" aren't exactly the words I would use to describe a reality in which the friends you'd been dreaming about for years, killed each other in front you.

[zamki]

Hats off

[naruto556]

what a great thread you made me understand that it wasnt for rin that made him start a war :D

[PainTotheEarth]

because kishi said so :DS

[YowYan]

Because I don't like to stand under. u_u

OT: Seems legit. nice thread

[UchihaInza]

everything Obito is doing is for Rin..thats why he wants the infinite tsukyomi plan so he can see rin alive again

[mikeeozua]

This is obito's plan.... Now I want to here you say it wasnt because of rin, if you cant, then you are wrong

[TJ0001]

Obito has little to no concern as to what happens to everyone else, why? because he plans to bring everyone back in his "new world" except completely under his control. that is the moons eye plan.

[Omnipotent]

Or you just don't have the capacity to understand such a concept because it's not over simplified like most of the things you comprehend.
Look at this:

WTF IS OBITO SAYING WHILE THAT SAME SITUATION IS BEING SHOWN?! :sy:

You obviously don't see the bigger picture because you are either naive or just too young to get it. Which is one of the reasons why I hate when 12 year olds read this manga.

You wanna know Obito's true mentality, go read chapter 615

Once again, did he think that way before Rin's death?

Tell me, because I'm pretty sure he was ecstatic to go back to Rin and Kakashi prior to that, and before his "death" he was eager to become Hokage and become acknowledged.