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    Free will is only an idea

    This is just a random topic/debate I felt like making arguing against free will

    When you hear the term free will, one think that means we are able to make our own choices...but when it boils down to it, free will is just an idea.

    We make our choices based on the world around us, and how it affects us.

    We live by codes; sure we can choose to live a certain lifestyle/code, but a lifestyle is not a choice, it's necessity.

    We are sometimes bribed to choose(meaning there is an ultimate reward or punishment for that choice) which influences us to choose.....such as paying bills or facing debt

    Most people choose to pay the bills, why? We don't like doing it, but we have to or we face a negative consequence. Is a choice like that made freely when the decision factor is more or less a bribe?

    It's comparable to finding a hundred dollars on floor....virtually everyone will make the choice to pick it up. So is that really a choice of free will? It's almost certain that everyone would pick it up.

    We can choose to not breathe or not eat, but then we will die. So we are essentially forced to choose certain things if we want to continue living.

    Living is what gives the ability to choose, so if we don't choose correctly, we won't live.

    we are also forced to live by certain universal laws that we can't "will" ourselves out....like living with gravity or dying.

    So what choices do we have that define "free will"?

    well people usually compare free will with choice that have more or less to do with morality

    not killing, not stealing, not sinning in general, self sacrifice, etc

    yet most make these decisions based on the consequences that may occur or from fear of making the choice.

    So does the influence of other factors and driving forces such as one's feeling and impulses define human's to having free will? I personally don't think so.

    a rock doesn't move on its own unless a force is applied to it.....hence the rock is not of it's own free will to move.

    this is the same way with how certain forces are applied that force humans to choose the way they do.

    To be truly free means having absolutely no outside factors applied to do any sort of decision of one's own choosing....hence the only way, and hypothetically, the only one to truly be free and have free will is god.

    Free will is an idea, we know what it is and we can comprehend it but we will never experience. This is the same thing with the idea with infinity....we have the idea, but not the true experience.



    --for the record, this is all hypothetical and not something I actually, personally believe in.
     
         
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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    rule only applies to you and your pseudo wisdom. everyone else has free will.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by OrochimaruFan View Post
    rule only applies to you and your pseudo wisdom. everyone else has free will.
    so because I'm questioning something makes me a pseudo-intellect?

    yes, because no one ever did that. *cough*galileo*cough*

    you didn't even bother to read what I had to say
     
         
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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    go home Confucius you're drunk
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Okami the butcher View Post
    go home Confucius you're drunk
    lol man I only made this because I was hoping to get an interesting conversation.

    It doesn't mean I believe in what I wrote....it's all just hypothetical.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightbringer View Post
    lol man I only made this because I was hoping to get an interesting conversation.

    It doesn't mean I believe in what I wrote....it's all just hypothetical.
    and i gave you an interesting reply and i'm funny all time
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    A rock may not move on its own, mainly because its an inanimate object, so how could you ever compare having free will to a rock just sitting there. So yes, your right, a rock doesn't have the free will to move, but the person walking by it has the the free will to pick it up, and move it, or keep it, come home, read this thread, and smash it against there computer, because of how annoying the thread is. Dude, you want to philosifize, join the philosophy team that meets every other Wednesday, at 4:00pm, at school.

     
         
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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    A rock may not move on its own, mainly because its an inanimate object, so how could you ever compare having free will to a rock just sitting there. So yes, your right, a rock doesn't have the free will to move, but the person walking by it has the the free will to pick it up, and move it, or keep it, come home, read this thread, and smash it against there computer, because of how annoying the thread is. Dude, you want to philosifize, join the philosophy team that meets every other Wednesday, at 4:00pm, at school.
    wow dude cool your tits bro. I even said on my thread that I don't actually follow what I said here, this was only to start up an interesting conversation....and I'm obviously going to defend my point because that's what a debate is.

    You didn't choose to be angry, reading this thread is what forced you to be.

    It says under general discussion, Discuss here the latest headlines and debate on serious matters

    if you have a problem with that, then take it up with the mods
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    wow dude cool your tits bro. I even said on my thread that I don't actually follow what I said here, this was only to start up an interesting conversation....and I'm obviously going to defend my point because that's what a debate is.

    You didn't choose to be angry, reading this thread is what forced you to be.
    Never said I'm angry. Also it's not a debate when the other sides just flat out wrong!
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightbringer View Post
    wow dude cool your tits bro. I even said on my thread that I don't actually follow what I said here, this was only to start up an interesting conversation....and I'm obviously going to defend my point because that's what a debate is.

    You didn't choose to be angry, reading this thread is what forced you to be.

    It says under general discussion, Discuss here the latest headlines and debate on serious matters

    if you have a problem with that, then take it up with the mods
    However, their rules are kind of... In the eyes of the beholder. Take this thread for example. Free will is not considered a serious matter by a lot of people, and neither is it a "latest headline", so this thread will probably become closed in a little bit. I however think free will is a major issue, since no one has free will.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Okami the butcher View Post
    go home Confucius you're drunk
    this^
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    this^
    lol believe it or not people are still giving me rep for it
     
         

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    itachi 1 shots the 10 tails u mad fapboy?
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    itachi 1 shots the 10 tails u mad fapboy?
    lol aww someone wants to stalk me....I'm glad you still haven't gotten over the butt-wooping I gave you that you still try to provoke me.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Well you proved that we have free will in your first point. We DO have free will it is not an idea but a reality. It is what we choose to use oour free will that will determine what will happen next. And you do it by what situation your life is, so you can make ot better. So yes i agree with your debate here, except for the title.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    Well you proved that we have free will in your first point. We DO have free will it is not an idea but a reality. It is what we choose to use oour free will that will determine what will happen next. And you do it by what situation your life is, so you can make ot better. So yes i agree with your debate here, except for the title.
    But is it free will if we choose based around factors that affect our choice?

    Like the example I gave.....a rock doesn't move on it's own unless an outside force moves it.

    These outside forces define our decisions, making the decision not necessarily our own.....so how could that be free will?
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    But is it free will if we choose based around factors that affect our choice?

    Like the example I gave.....a rock doesn't move on it's own unless an outside force moves it.

    These outside forces define our decisions, making the decision not necessarily our own.....so how could that be free will?
    but we are not a rock. We are humans who think for our selves. If i wanted to go outside and shoot someone, is that not free will? But i wont do it because i will go to jail and it will mess up my future. We have free will but due to our society and laws or free will is limted, unless you dot care about goin to jail or something
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    but we are not a rock. We are humans who think for our selves. If i wanted to go outside and shoot someone, is that not free will? But i wont do it because i will go to jail and it will mess up my future. We have free will but due to our society and laws or free will is limted, unless you dot care about goin to jail or something
    so if free will is limited, then we are not free by definition....because we are still shackled by certain laws.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    so if free will is limited, then we are not free by definition....because we are still shackled by certain laws.
    But we have free will to decide if we want our free will to be limited. So therefore we have freewill but use our own freewil to not ruin what little free will we have. If you know what i mean
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightbringer View Post
    But is it free will if we choose based around factors that affect our choice?

    Like the example I gave.....a rock doesn't move on it's own unless an outside force moves it.

    These outside forces define our decisions, making the decision not necessarily our own.....so how could that be free will?
    We are not a rock lol. We can move we are the outside force. We have the abilities to choose what we do.
    Example you Choose to make this thread, an outside force was not beating you to death to make it.
    You can also choose to spam the fap out of narutobase like many people do, <----- its free will.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    well this conversation sure is interesting.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    You've been watching to much matrix.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    You've been watching to much matrix.
    good movie! lol

    just so I make it clear, I'm just posing an argument.....that doesn't mean I believe in what I wrote
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by ' ~ Dantee ~ ' View Post
    You've been watching to much matrix.
    Hahahaha ! No.
     
         

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    We are all bound one way or another to another true freedom is but an illusion.
     
         

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