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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Selendrile View Post
    Freewill has everything to do with religion. It's not freewill, it's a choice.
    Yeah but sometimes you have to make choices against your will lol. So free will is making a choice if you WANT to make it
    So freewill and choices are two different concepts
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Interesting read.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    In the first place, it's not our choice to be born, so from that point on, there is no point in talking about "free" will. You have to make decisions in every moment of your life, you have to choose something. And there is a limit to the number of choices.
     
         
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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    Didn't read it on my free will.
    then you missed the point I made and wasted your time posting......
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ganta View Post
    If an omnipotent being had the freewill to create a law, he also has the freewill to banish that law and break it. Just like we have the free will to decide if we want to have free will or not. But all im saying is using your full free will has its consequence in tthis socety.
    So yes i agree with you to an extent that freewill doesnt exist in this society. But inthe overall sense, we have freewill. If you lived in the mountains secluded, you have the freewill to do anything because there is no law preventing you from not doing it. Free will is really what you consider free will. But i think we all have freewill but have to use it wisely to benefit us.
    well if an omnipotent being created a law that he can't break, but broke it with his unlimited power.....then it means he can't create a law he can't break, meaning he is not omnipotent.

    but living in the mountains, you would still make the choice of creating shelter, you would still wear shoes, etc.....these choices are still made by the outside factors. You would wear the shoes because it hurts to go barefoot, hence it still being an outside force that bribes you into making the choice of wearing shoes.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by kobak View Post
    In the first place, it's not our choice to be born, so from that point on, there is no point in talking about "free" will. You have to make decisions in every moment of your life, you have to choose something. And there is a limit to the number of choices.
    so we are free to make a choice through limited choices.....but these limited choices, are again, driven by outside forces, making it not solely one's own original choice, but a combination of many aspects.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightbringer View Post
    then you missed the point I made and wasted your time posting......
    By the way, now that you mention this, our whole life is just a waste, but we can choose from the possibilities what we waste it on...Though the 'purpose' of life is life itself, that is to maintain it, by engendering, so that our descendants can also waste their times.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ganta View Post
    Yeah but sometimes you have to make choices against your will lol. So free will is making a choice if you WANT to make it
    So freewill and choices are two different concepts
    Then that's called life. Not everything will ever go your way. Some choices are hard to make, some easy. You always have the chance to choose, right or wrong.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by kobak View Post
    In the first place, it's not our choice to be born, so from that point on, there is no point in talking about "free" will. You have to make decisions in every moment of your life, you have to choose something. And there is a limit to the number of choices.
    Ok, i agree that being born isnt our own free will, but what free will do we have as babies? Free will is learned sub conciously, even if ee grow up not knowing we have free will, your brain knows it deep down. And i agree wih you again, but making those choices is your free will , and you have to use your freewill to the surroundings around you. Socitey has restrictions
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightbringer View Post
    so we are free to make a choice through limited choices.....but these limited choices, are again, driven by outside forces, making it not solely one's own original choice, but a combination of many aspects.
    Who said that it isn't the combination of many factors? Maybe some religious people...
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Selendrile View Post
    Then that's called life. Not everything will ever go your way. Some choices are hard to make, some easy. You always have the chance to choose, right or wrong.
    and if you can choose what you want thats freewill because your choosing it on your own accord.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by kobak View Post
    By the way, now that you mention this, our whole life is just a waste, but we can choose from the possibilities what we waste it on...Though the 'purpose' of life is life itself, that is to maintain it, by engendering, so that our descendants can also waste their times.
    lol that's a good way to put it, I suppose.

    but our purpose can also be fueled by our wants, not necessarily our needs. Humans feel the need to have a purpose, but what's wrong with just enjoying the moment and going all out?
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    Ok, i agree that being born isnt our own free will, but what free will do we have as babies? Free will is learned sub conciously, even if ee grow up not knowing we have free will, your brain knows it deep down. And i agree wih you again, but making those choices is your free will , and you have to use your freewill to the surroundings around you. Socitey has restrictions
    Actions cause reactions of course, you have to take the responsibility for your decisions...that's one of the basic ideas of existentialism.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    Who said that it isn't the combination of many factors? Maybe some religious people...
    i see where you guys are getting at. But when it comes down to it, at the end of the day; we have freewill if really wanted. Until you get arrested
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    Who said that it isn't the combination of many factors? Maybe some religious people...
    well as I said in the example's from the thread.

    We choose to pay the bills because of the negative consequence that follows if we don't....hence the choice being more of a bribe, because we are edged to make certain choices

    like if we find money on the floor in a secluded area.....we are edged to pick it up...no one gets a mindset of not picking the free money up.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightbringer View Post
    lol that's a good way to put it, I suppose.

    but our purpose can also be fueled by our wants, not necessarily our needs. Humans feel the need to have a purpose, but what's wrong with just enjoying the moment and going all out?
    We should get into group selection and gene selection to discuss this matter.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    Actions cause reactions of course, you have to take the responsibility for your decisions...that's one of the basic ideas of existentialism.
    And thats why with freewill....comes responsibility.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    And thats why with freewill....comes responsibility.
    You bear the consequences even if a decision was not made solely on your 'free' will...But yeah if you make a decision on your own, it's called responsibility.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    we're free to do whatever we want , weather we do the right or wrong , its our choice to live how we want

    but in bills & stuff like that , i guess is a different thing
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by labiancareality View Post
    we're free to do whatever we want , weather we do the right or wrong , its our choice to live how we want

    but in bills & stuff like that , i guess is a different thing
    but we can't do whatever we want, because if we could do anything, then we would be god.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by labiancareality View Post
    we're free to do whatever we want , weather we do the right or wrong , its our choice to live how we want

    but in bills & stuff like that , i guess is a different thing
    Except if you are born with a disease , mental illness...etc...
     
         
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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    Except if you are born with a disease , mental illness...etc...
    exactly, the world and the limitations it sets up is what sways our hand to make certain choices.

    When we see we are attracted to someone, we can't make the choice to not be attracted to them because it's our body making that choice for us and not our will.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    You bear the consequences even if a decision was not made solely on your 'free' will...But yeah if you make a decision on your own, it's called responsibility.
    I agree with you to an extent,but decions and choices are based upon freewill. You may not have the choice to make a decision, but u have the freewill to not make that decision, but suffer the consequences.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    Except if you are born with a disease , mental illness...etc...
    well yeah , but then we would be talking about another subject
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightbringer View Post
    exactly, the world and the limitations it sets up is what sways our hand to make certain choices.

    When we see we are attracted to someone, we can't make the choice to not be attracted to them because it's our body making that choice for us and not our will.
    Well obviously you dont have freewill in every single aspect in life, something s are just out of our control, but who knows maybe if we used more percentof our brain we could achieve more and use ourfree will even to a higher extent?
     
         

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