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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ganta View Post
    I agree with you to an extent,but decions and choices are based upon freewill. You may not have the choice to make a decision, but u have the freewill to not make that decision, but suffer the consequences.
    Not making a decision is also a decision For example, not going to the elections and not voting is also a decision.
    Quote Originally Posted by labiancareality View Post
    well yeah , but then we would be talking about another subject
    Yeah...

    Btw, does anyone know Camus? He said that the only real question of philosophy is whether people should commit suicide or not? (He answered of course no, but he said that life has no purpose overall, so we just have to live on, just because)
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    Well obviously you dont have freewill in every single aspect in life, something s are just out of our control, but who knows maybe if we used more percentof our brain we could achieve more and use ourfree will even to a higher extent?
    well as you put it, we don't have control over every aspect in our life. Making the term free-will irrelevant.....it would be just will. We will ourselves to move, but we can't move freely since that would mean we can break boundaries.

    we can will ourselves to make a decision, but no decision is free to make....that would mean no other factors were applied to that decision and the decision is completely original.

    Humans can't create something genuinely original, only interpret something.
     
         
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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by kobak View Post
    Not making a decision is also a decision For example, not going to the elections and not voting is also a decision.
    M

    Yeah...


    Btw, does anyone know Camus? He said that the only real question of philosophy is whether people should commit suicide or not? (He answered of course no, but he said that life has no purpose overall, so we just have to live on, just because)
    but to make a decision takes freewill, for example a bear doesnt have freewill, he lives of instinct.
    And never heard of camus, thats a pretty dull way for looking at live, im sure he has his reasons lol
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightbringer View Post
    well as you put it, we don't have control over every aspect in our life. Making the term free-will irrelevant.....it would be just will. We will ourselves to move, but we can't move freely since that would mean we can break boundaries.

    we can will ourselves to make a decision, but no decision is free to make.
    like i said before a wild animal doesnt have free will, but since we have the ability to hink we can decide what to do iur selves, which is some form of free will
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    There are only negative outcomes for choices for those who allow there to be a negative outcome

    Say you don't pay your rent and you become homeless..that's a negative outcome because the end of that statement is you being homeless

    Free will is what makes half of these bums ask for money on the train everyday

    When they can spend 8 dollars on a I'd. Maybe about 15 on birthcertificate..its free for a ss card and then use that to get a job

    That is the true essence of free will. No matter what the outcome is you still have a choice to do something different as long as your alive.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ganta View Post
    but to make a decision takes freewill, for example a bear doesnt have freewill, he lives of instinct.
    And never heard of camus, thats a pretty dull way for looking at live, im sure he has his reasons lol
    Just one thing: you can't kill yourself by holding your breath. So if something, then breathing is really not something you do by free will.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by kobak View Post
    Not making a decision is also a decision For example, not going to the elections and not voting is also a decision.


    Yeah...

    Btw, does anyone know Camus? He said that the only real question of philosophy is whether people should commit suicide or not? (He answered of course no, but he said that life has no purpose overall, so we just have to live on, just because)
    m interesting , but nope never heard of him

    but you born , live & die .... thats why people should live to the fullest , each day everyday
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ganta View Post
    like i said before a wild animal doesnt have free will, but since we have the ability to hink we can decide what to do iur selves, which is some form of free will
    but we are thinking up a decision because of something that puts us in a situation to make a choice.....then we make our decision based on the positives and negatives of the outcome, making the decision not entirely free.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by kobak View Post
    Just one thing: you can't kill yourself by holding your breath. So if something, then breathing is really not something you do by free will.
    Well thats because we also live by instinct. Basic instinct to breathe eat sleep reproduce.animals also do this, but thats all they do.But we have a further power then animals, we are humans capable of intelligent thought and have the free will to make decisions.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    There are only negative outcomes for choices for those who allow there to be a negative outcome

    Say you don't pay your rent and you become homeless..that's a negative outcome because the end of that statement is you being homeless

    Free will is what makes half of these bums ask for money on the train everyday

    When they can spend 8 dollars on a I'd. Maybe about 15 on birthcertificate..its free for a ss card and then use that to get a job

    That is the true essence of free will. No matter what the outcome is you still have a choice to do something different as long as your alive.
    that's not free will....because outside factors dictate one's choices, making the choice not one's own to make but influenced by something else.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Truemadara View Post
    There are only negative outcomes for choices for those who allow there to be a negative outcome

    Say you don't pay your rent and you become homeless..that's a negative outcome because the end of that statement is you being homeless

    Free will is what makes half of these bums ask for money on the train everyday

    When they can spend 8 dollars on a I'd. Maybe about 15 on birthcertificate..its free for a ss card and then use that to get a job

    That is the true essence of free will. No matter what the outcome is you still have a choice to do something different as long as your alive.

    So, if iI hold a gun to your head and give you two options to choose from cutting off your left hand or your right hand, you can decide on your free will from these 2 possibilities?
    You have the free will to choose from the given possibilities, but the point of the threadmaker was that you don't choose many factors that define your decision.
    Quote Originally Posted by labiancareality View Post
    m interesting , but nope never heard of him

    but you born , live & die .... thats why people should live to the fullest , each day everyday
    That's correct. just one thought, we are just quasi-rational beings, so we base our decisions on many things, so we shouldn't always think too much over free will or not free will
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Truemadara View Post
    There are only negative outcomes for choices for those who allow there to be a negative outcome

    Say you don't pay your rent and you become homeless..that's a negative outcome because the end of that statement is you being homeless

    Free will is what makes half of these bums ask for money on the train everyday

    When they can spend 8 dollars on a I'd. Maybe about 15 on birthcertificate..its free for a ss card and then use that to get a job

    That is the true essence of free will. No matter what the outcome is you still have a choice to do something different as long as your alive.
    Well put. Hobos is a good example lol, they decided to use their free will to far and now serve their consequence
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    well light my man you got your debate
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by kobak View Post
    So, if iI hold a gun to your head and give you two options to choose from cutting off your left hand or your right hand, you can decide on your free will from these 2 possibilities?
    You have the free will to choose from the given possibilities, but the point of the threadmaker was that you don't choose many factors that define your decision.


    That's correct. just one thought, we are just quasi-rational beings, so we base our decisions on many things, so we shouldn't always think too much over free will or not free will
    yeap , just try to make the best of it
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    well light my man you got your debate
    m :y

    join in on the fun! :D
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by labiancareality View Post
    yeap , just try to make the best of it
    Yup, we can die any moment, by chance. Anyways, the world goes on no matter what an individual does.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Anyways im tired im off to bed. That was a good debate , hopefully another debate soon , kobak, thelight bringer, and anyone else
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    Anyways im tired im off to bed. That was a good debate , hopefully another debate soon , kobak, thelight bringer, and anyone else
    goodnight! and yes it was ^_^
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    Yup, we can die any moment, by chance. Anyways, the world goes on no matter what an individual does.
    it really makes you think how small we all really are when looking at the bigger picture.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    m :y

    join in on the fun! :D
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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightbringer View Post
    it really makes you think how small we all really are when looking at the bigger picture.
    Yeah. Anyways, even that doesn't matter what someone - you or me or anybody- thinks of free will...we do stuff no matter what and the world as a whole goes on.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    Yeah. Anyways, even that doesn't matter what someone - you or me or anybody- thinks of free will...we do stuff no matter what and the world as a whole goes on.
    yup, well hopefully at least.......our decisions can also destroy.

    when you think about it, our choice as a single mind can affect the choices of many minds.....and the combined choice of everyone can also lead to the survival or the destruction of our race and the world.....in essence we as a whole, have the power to control war.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    yup, well hopefully at least.......our decisions can also destroy.

    when you think about it, our choice as a single mind can affect the choices of many minds.....and the combined choice of everyone can also lead to the survival or the destruction of our race and the world.....in essence we as a whole, have the power to control war.
    True, but the world is still going on Because most people will still choose the same: engender.
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

    free will is just an illusion caused by the helpless
     
         

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    Re: Free will is only an idea

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    True, but the world is still going on Because most people will still choose the same: engender.
    well that depends also on the outside factors as well

    If say we were to have world war 3, many people speculate the war would make the world uninhabitable due to radiation and such

    did you ever see the movie children of men? It's a sci-fi which shows a society unable to procreate due to some virus that spread throughout the entire race.

    but yes, most people would still choose to engender....but that's only if the choice doesn't become limited as well.
     
         

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