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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

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    no it would not criminals would still get guns and kill people the only people that this hurts is law abiding people that now literally have to bring a knife to a gun fight. It would also make the black market ritcher

    1) you can get a gun cheeper
    2) get a gun faster
    3) harder to track

    so doing that would increase crime and hurt business
    Personally, I don't think it would hurt law-abiding citizens as much as you think. I mean if everything is fine with them, then getting a gun would be a no brainer for them. It would be those that have a record of mental illness and the such that would be losing out. But I do see your point.
     
         

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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

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    Personally, I don't think it would hurt law-abiding citizens as much as you think. I mean if everything is fine with them, then getting a gun would be a no brainer for them. It would be those that have a record of mental illness and the such that would be losing out. But I do see your point.
    What is it like up in England?
     
         

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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

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    What is it like up in England?
    I am not from England, so IDK sowwy
     
         

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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

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    I am not from England, so IDK sowwy
    I thought you are living there right now?
     
         

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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

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    I thought you are living there right now?
    Yeah, only for a year but I do not know anything about their gun control laws.
     
         

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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

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    Yeah, only for a year but I do not know anything about their gun control laws.
    oh well lol. time for google.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...United_Kingdom holy crap
     
         

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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

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    oh well lol. time for google.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...United_Kingdom holy crap
    HOLY CRAP. I hope that's true!
     
         

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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

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    HOLY CRAP. I hope that's true!
    would wiki lie to you?
     
         

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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

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    would wiki lie to you?
    Welp, yes. haha I don't trust it one bit!!!
     
         

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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

    There was a man not too long ago whose children were having a sleepover or something, so there were a bunch of kids in the house. Three armed robbers entered the house and basically had a shoot on sight policy. The father had a firearm though, he did get shot, but currently one of the robbers is dead and the other two hospitalized with him. The man saved his family because he had a gun.

    The two largest massacres on record were done with gasoline and the other a knife. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
     
         

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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinobi Train View Post
    There was a man not too long ago whose children were having a sleepover or something, so there were a bunch of kids in the house. Three armed robbers entered the house and basically had a shoot on sight policy. The father had a firearm though, he did get shot, but currently one of the robbers is dead and the other two hospitalized with him. The man saved his family because he had a gun.

    The two largest massacres on record were done with gasoline and the other a knife. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
    Your absolutely right, it is our decisions that hurt people, but guns are one of the main weapons that people use to hurt other people. But what you said is also what I was arguing about. I think all we need is a handgun, if that guy didn't have a handgun, he couldn't have protected everyone.
     
         

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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

    If guns become illegal the same thing will happen with drugs or when alcohol was illegal
    There's going to be gun dealers and good people aren't going to do anything illegal to get guns only bad people
    The only good thing is I can get a gun from a gun dealer without waiting 3 days or any other bullshit
     
         
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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

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    Your absolutely right, it is our decisions that hurt people, but guns are one of the main weapons that people use to hurt other people. But what you said is also what I was arguing about. I think all we need is a handgun, if that guy didn't have a handgun, he couldn't have protected everyone.
    If you take away guns, then that means that the bad guys will have them and we won't. It just puts guns on the black market and criminals will still have them. The #1 cause of death, especially in the US, is due to traffic accidents...so why don't we outlaw motor vehicles? Or maybe outlaw cellphones so teenagers can't talk/text and drive? How about making alcohol illegal again so people won't drink and drive?

    When the government makes something illegal it always creates a far worse problem than what was there before...maybe we need to stop making things illegal and start making others legal instead. I'm just saying we should try something new for a change and not continue on the path that is obviously not working.
     
         

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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinobi Train View Post
    If you take away guns, then that means that the bad guys will have them and we won't. It just puts guns on the black market and criminals will still have them. The #1 cause of death, especially in the US, is due to traffic accidents...so why don't we outlaw motor vehicles? Or maybe outlaw cellphones so teenagers can't talk/text and drive? How about making alcohol illegal again so people won't drink and drive?

    When the government makes something illegal it always creates a far worse problem than what was there before...maybe we need to stop making things illegal and start making others legal instead. I'm just saying we should try something new for a change and not continue on the path that is obviously not working.
    Nicely said again. But the beginning part is what I said earlier in the thread. I don't want to take away guns, because I still want to be protected, but I don't think we need assault rifles and all that jazz. And I said earlier too that the bad guys would just keep them and use the black market, and we would be helpless. What do you think we should legalize?
     
         

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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

    they should make guns harder to get but not outright ban them and as for the gun crimes in england i'll use mexico as a counter argument in mexico it is illegal for civilians to own guns and because of this the only people with guns are police and the drug cartels and the police and half of the police are probably dirty

    the shooter in connecticut broke over 40 laws so tell me more laws could have prevented that and the guns he used were illegally obtained
     
         
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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

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    Nicely said again. But the beginning part is what I said earlier in the thread. I don't want to take away guns, because I still want to be protected, but I don't think we need assault rifles and all that jazz. And I said earlier too that the bad guys would just keep them and use the black market, and we would be helpless. What do you think we should legalize?
    Sure, assault rifles do seem to be unnecessary...but it's still nice that untrained people have them. You see, while they're struggling to hit me even once, I can put effective rounds down range.

    First off I think marijuana should be decriminalized by the federal government and all the states and be available for recreational use. Furthermore, insurance companies for employment should not even be able to run a THC test let alone care if the person has used it. On top of that, drugs in general should be legal because the US constitution says nothing about taking away freedoms. However, drug testing should be done on many of those things for employment; if someone wants to cook themselves with Meth then let them do it...but don't let them have a job too just so they can pay for such an addiction.
     
         

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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

    If every second Jew would own a gun in 1939, there would be no holocaust.
     
         

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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinobi Train View Post
    Sure, assault rifles do seem to be unnecessary...but it's still nice that untrained people have them. You see, while they're struggling to hit me even once, I can put effective rounds down range.

    First off I think marijuana should be decriminalized by the federal government and all the states and be available for recreational use. Furthermore, insurance companies for employment should not even be able to run a THC test let alone care if the person has used it. On top of that, drugs in general should be legal because the US constitution says nothing about taking away freedoms. However, drug testing should be done on many of those things for employment; if someone wants to cook themselves with Meth then let them do it...but don't let them have a job too just so they can pay for such an addiction.
    I agree with you on everything. I would rather have marijuana legal than alcohol, marijuana does hurt anyone, alcohol kills people. Also, as long as its not harming anyone else, people can do drugs on their own accord. They will just be harming themselves because of their own decisions. You and I think similar
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    If every second Jew would own a gun in 1939, there would be no holocaust.
    Their would still be a war.
     
         

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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

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    Their would still be a war.
    Yes.
     
         

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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

    The thing I find funny about the Connecticut shooting is that the guy took the weapons from his mom (not dad) and that it happened in the state with the most strict gun laws. The stereotypes just don't fit. 1st, what is a mom doing with guns like that. It just seems way off from the norm. I can see the kid taking them from the typical stereotype (a redneck, like the guys you hear about in Texas (not trying to discriminate either)), but from a working mom. The percent of this happening is just really low. To add to this, it happened in the strictest gun law state. That just adds to the probability of something like this not happening there. Not to mention that it is a really small state so the sample pool is even smaller too. It just doesn't add up in a mathematical point of view.

    Why didn't this happen in a place like Texas? They have the least control on guns, they have the stereotype of people that fit who have guns, and they have the 2nd largest population of people there out of all the states. If something like what happened in Connecticut was to happen, why didn't it happen there. The only conclusion I have come up with are the guns. People carry guns on them all the time. If someone was going to cause a massacre, most likely they would be shot by a civilian. I think this detours people from committing crimes.

    So to answer the question, I think more guns would be better, not less. Although, people walking around with semi automatic weapons all the time would be really ridiculous. I do feel that weapons like that are way too much, but I see more bad from banning them then good.

    I think the best expression here to use is, "you don't bring a knife to a gun fight." Knowing that, the best thing to do is bring a gun to a gun fight right. What happened in these tragedies was they were bringing fists to a gun fight. There just isn't any chance for them, specially kids. If we ban semi automatic weapons, people will still have hand guns. They will still bring those guns and people will still be armed with fists. The next step would be to ban all guns, then the fights can be more even (ignoring the fact criminals can still get a hold of guns even if they are banned). You see where I am going with this right? The current path will lead to a ban on all guns or even all weapons without even fixing the problem properly. Sure it could make shooting from little kids and normal citizens less frequent, but it puts the law abiding citizens at a huge disadvantage from criminals. This could cause other crimes to skyrocket, but no one looks at the consequences that far ahead. Everyone just focuses on the immediate problem and wants it fixed asap.

    Should we equip little kids with guns so they can protect themselves in case the one in a billion chance of this happening again? Hell no. Should we equip teachers with guns? I say no to this too. This situation is really complicated for a definite answer, and way too many scenarios could happen if the above were set into motion. Some of them are good, more bad. I think maybe having an armed guard on campus might be a possible solution. This would create a new job for every school. Plus, they know how to use a gun. They also know how to not get a gun taken away from them. I'm a huge believer in only carry a weapon if you know how to use it. If you spend time trying to figure out how it works, you are good as dead against someone who knows how to. Equipping teachers and little kids with guns when they do not know who to use them is a really dumb idea.


    Scrolling up I realized this was way more then I thought so I'm done with my little rant. Read it if you want.
     
         

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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

    I did a whole project on this for my philosophy class, and I just came to one conclusion... That I really don't give a d@mn. I mean...sure it is a major issue today. However, what about the people that have the pure intent of just using a gun to protect themselves, or to use for hunting. On the other hand, we also have those horrible people in this world that go out and shoot up innocent people. It is a real debate that cannot be handled lightly. Since I hate getting into these sorts of things I tend to just stay away. Eventually some real law will be passed and even if there is a law, people will find ways to commit horrible acts. Which makes me think that no matter what we try to do, these things will continue to happen. That humanity needs to be looked at as how it is now.

    Ok...that was longer than I wanted it to be. My bad. ^_^;
     
         

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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

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    The thing I find funny about the Connecticut shooting is that the guy took the weapons from his mom (not dad) and that it happened in the state with the most strict gun laws. The stereotypes just don't fit. 1st, what is a mom doing with guns like that. It just seems way off from the norm. I can see the kid taking them from the typical stereotype (a redneck, like the guys you hear about in Texas (not trying to discriminate either)), but from a working mom. The percent of this happening is just really low. To add to this, it happened in the strictest gun law state. That just adds to the probability of something like this not happening there. Not to mention that it is a really small state so the sample pool is even smaller too. It just doesn't add up in a mathematical point of view.

    Why didn't this happen in a place like Texas? They have the least control on guns, they have the stereotype of people that fit who have guns, and they have the 2nd largest population of people there out of all the states. If something like what happened in Connecticut was to happen, why didn't it happen there. The only conclusion I have come up with are the guns. People carry guns on them all the time. If someone was going to cause a massacre, most likely they would be shot by a civilian. I think this detours people from committing crimes.

    So to answer the question, I think more guns would be better, not less. Although, people walking around with semi automatic weapons all the time would be really ridiculous. I do feel that weapons like that are way too much, but I see more bad from banning them then good.

    I think the best expression here to use is, "you don't bring a knife to a gun fight." Knowing that, the best thing to do is bring a gun to a gun fight right. What happened in these tragedies was they were bringing fists to a gun fight. There just isn't any chance for them, specially kids. If we ban semi automatic weapons, people will still have hand guns. They will still bring those guns and people will still be armed with fists. The next step would be to ban all guns, then the fights can be more even (ignoring the fact criminals can still get a hold of guns even if they are banned). You see where I am going with this right? The current path will lead to a ban on all guns or even all weapons without even fixing the problem properly. Sure it could make shooting from little kids and normal citizens less frequent, but it puts the law abiding citizens at a huge disadvantage from criminals. This could cause other crimes to skyrocket, but no one looks at the consequences that far ahead. Everyone just focuses on the immediate problem and wants it fixed asap.

    Should we equip little kids with guns so they can protect themselves in case the one in a billion chance of this happening again? Hell no. Should we equip teachers with guns? I say no to this too. This situation is really complicated for a definite answer, and way too many scenarios could happen if the above were set into motion. Some of them are good, more bad. I think maybe having an armed guard on campus might be a possible solution. This would create a new job for every school. Plus, they know how to use a gun. They also know how to not get a gun taken away from them. I'm a huge believer in only carry a weapon if you know how to use it. If you spend time trying to figure out how it works, you are good as dead against someone who knows how to. Equipping teachers and little kids with guns when they do not know who to use them is a really dumb idea.


    Scrolling up I realized this was way more then I thought so I'm done with my little rant. Read it if you want.
    Nicely said.
    Quote Originally Posted by KuraiandAlbel View Post
    I did a whole project on this for my philosophy class, and I just came to one conclusion... That I really don't give a d@mn. I mean...sure it is a major issue today. However, what about the people that have the pure intent of just using a gun to protect themselves, or to use for hunting. On the other hand, we also have those horrible people in this world that go out and shoot up innocent people. It is a real debate that cannot be handled lightly. Since I hate getting into these sorts of things I tend to just stay away. Eventually some real law will be passed and even if there is a law, people will find ways to commit horrible acts. Which makes me think that no matter what we try to do, these things will continue to happen. That humanity needs to be looked at as how it is now.

    Ok...that was longer than I wanted it to be. My bad. ^_^;
    You're right
     
         

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    /end thread.
     
         

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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

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    /end thread.
    its just a discussion though.
     
         

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    Re: Are you for gun control? Why or Why not?

    Truthfully I don't think Gun Control will do anything. People are more opt. to go against laws then follow them, and if there were no guns or if they were harder to get , they'd smuggle them in or find something else to use in its place. If anything Harsher punishment or Better law enforcement.
     
         

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