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    Re: Tobi was never meant to Obito

    so, youd take up the theory. that izuna. went to the place where obito was crushed. to get his eye. when.. madara straight up. took his eyes. and killed him. its funny that you have more feelings for izuna. than his older brother. who threw him away. in nb terms "fodder". to just express how madara got his eyes that wont blind.
    thats the only reason.. izuna. was even put in the story. to just let madara get his ems.

    kishi. did slip up a little. but damn. yall really be nit pickin.
    there isnt much plot hole. you already seen waht happened.
    in earlier issue. kishi. recently just showed us from obitos part. obito. straight bezerked and was wild eyed like james holmes. thats waht i take from him. posing as madara. told minato yo you are a alright hokage. and maybe maybe. when he says ima take it back from you one day. was a little obito showing out.

    i do have to say.
    after the mask was taken off. the tobi character. cracked and came back to obito. not the. masked guy who staged as obito for so many years.
    i do not like how there was a funny tobi. makes me think it was the silly zetsu spawn. but it was just a mask. so maybe that is about the most plot hole you got. is why he was so funny. then turned into a serious. that is prob the most problem i have.

    ! but surely enough. everything that swung you into thinking it was a different person worked on you.!! so there for i laugh at any one of you !!!!

    -thinking kishi would write his manga so carelessly and so maybe he did carelessly write it. he just didnt use the ms on the fox. which he didnt need to. but tobi dint show his ms. untill when it was put side by side. still masked. when it was kakashi and tobi half and half panel . cry about that some more. because that is palatabile. idk why your butt hurt on that..

    but i highly doubt that he just dirasticly picked who tobi was finnaly gonna be.. face it . it is almost as if he slipped through some how. his damn only thing he can bout do. is slip through wahtever... to meet madara. soon one day. kakashi will speak on waht happened im sure of and will have a flashback from his point of view i guess. so keep reading : )

    i never log on. so respong and try to debate me all you want but i will not reply. sorry yall are stuck and think your way is better. but i have read the mangas a couple damn times and it is plausible. you are probbably under 18. and think to far out. kishi himsef challanged you with "keep predicting" he really played yalls minds. and this thread is proof.

    as for kagmi... just a random uchia. for no paticular reason id say. just a team member of hiruzen. and prob drawn the way he was. to give you another person to think who tobi was. which is awesome cause it worked. fooled you again. with your fail logix

    you thought cause of hair. and who his sensei was. gave him a chance at being tobi. a trick id say.
     
         
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    Re: Tobi was never meant to Obito

    Quote Originally Posted by TurrinB View Post
    I'm pretty sure Kishimoto wasn't sure who he wanted Tobi to be, but Obito was always an option.
    He was man, there are link over 30 hints throughout the series. Every time someone saw another uchiha in this manga they all got hard and made up countless theories. Kishi never intended it to be them.
     
         

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    Re: Tobi was never meant to Obito

    after posting. i'd rather none of the people who agree with anyone in this thread that thinks. obito was a random selection at the last moment. or anyone actually. to read my above post. cause i dont want you to gain my logic.

    so pee on you. cause tobi was meant to be obito the whole time. its that simple. i never understand how people really delve into such crackpot thinking. it blows my mind. and im like . how in the hell are you reading this manga.

    i do howsover before tobi was obito. was not a tobito guy. i liked the idea it was just gonna be kagami. didnt like the izuna theory. cause he got done over so quickly and was just used for plot to show. how madara got ems/.

    really i wish i woulda caught on to "the hidden shinobis" evidence he showed of,how tobi says i can relate to that...speaking on the occurance of how. he was stuck with some random person . (madara) telling him wierd stuff. that was hard to belive. but didnt even think of it till he shown it the way he did...
     
         
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    Re: Tobi was never meant to Obito

    Quote Originally Posted by Derp Obito View Post
    You see Kishi meant the series to end with the Pain arc, that is why Obito was with Minato and Rin when Kakashi saw them in the afterlife, but Kishi decided to continue the story.
    No, kakashi was halucinating.
     
         

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    Re: Tobi was never meant to Obito

    Originally Posted by Derp Obito

    "You see Kishi meant the series to end with the Pain arc, that is why Obito was with Minato and Rin when Kakashi saw them in the afterlife, but Kishi decided to continue the story."

    - you had to be trolling with that nonsence. ' that being said. no probelems with you though..
     
         

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    Re: Tobi was never meant to Obito

    " cry about that some more. because that is palatabile. idk why your butt hurt on that.."

    "so there for i laugh at any one of you !!!!"


    I'm curious, do people actually get some sort of boost to their ego when they write stuff like this? Do you feel it makes your point stronger?

    - For your benefit, I would just like to let you know that comments like that belittle both your thoughts and your character. If you want your message to be heard and taken seriously by this community, then leave them out. If not, then we will not take you or what you have say seriously.
     
         

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    Re: Tobi was never meant to Obito

    I don't like to preach, and I know many of you are young, but I genuinely want to hear what you have to say.
     
         

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    Re: Tobi was never meant to Obito

    He was meant to be Obito since that time Kakashi saw him with his left sharingan on his mask
     
         

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    Re: Tobi was never meant to Obito

    dude. idc. this is a dang forum for a manga. the last thang i am looking for is some cool points. with you or whoever.
    i am sorry.. i am high on the ego boost you think that gave me

    but really. wahts your thoughts. are you one that thought tobi was never meant to be obito.
    i read this whole thread yesterday. ill take back my stings. i did inted to inflict a little sting. cause shoot. no one else has been able to turnover. your out of nowhere thinking. it s truth it really had me mad. all of the nonsence. .

    appaulogies ..
    *just to cover my butt. its not out of no where thinking. but kishi still has yall fooled.
    i guess he really is a master troll..
     
         
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    Re: Tobi was never meant to Obito

    you do realize that the body obito had was actually an "offspring" of Madara with an entirley different personality, and to keep people from figuring out who he actually was he let the creature or tobi do all the talking
     
         

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    Re: Tobi was never meant to Obito

    It was obvious
     
         

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    Re: Tobi was never meant to Obito

    I'll have whatever he's smoking
     
         

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    Re: Tobi was never meant to Obito

    I agree, yet disagree.
    I think it was always, or at elast for a long time, intended for Tobi to be Obito. Rather, I just think Obito's character, personality, etc. has changed in our author's mind throughout the series as he became more developed.
     
         

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    Re: Tobi was never meant to Obito

    I always thought obito was d perfect choice to b revealed as tobi...so yeah I'm pretty satisfied with d end result:D
    N I think kishi always had this idea up his sleeve....it wasnt a random decission
     
         

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    Re: Tobi was never meant to Obito

    People only liked the Izuna theory because, to the fanbase's unoriginal point of view, Izuna was the only one who could stand as an "equal" to Madara, and that was the only way our minds could justify Tobi's vast knowledge of history and Jutsu. True, it would also draw more parallels between the Madara/Izuna bros and the Itachi/Sasuke bros, but at this point I don't think their circumstances or characters are comparable (outside of Sasuke being a lot like Madara).

    Obito does more in terms of developing Naruto/Kakashi, which in my opinion is far more of a curveball; I expected Tobi to be an example of what Sasuke could become if he continued his path of vengeance, but Obito is basically a corrupted version of Naruto. And yes, long time fans of Tobi feel cheated that he's basically Madara's underling, a crippled kid who owes all his power to the hated "Hashirama Cell Plot no Jutsu" and some vague training sessions with Madara. In short, he doesn't stand as an equal at all.

    Obito's motives may feel "cheap" in the sense that Rin's death doesn't justify his conclusions... but to be honest, the fact is that Obito, unlike anyone else, HAD access to the power to create a perfect world, and to his fragile mind it seemed like the better alternative. It's actually not unlike people who turn to suicide, except in his mind he was saving everyone, whatever the cost.

    Obito arriving in Madara's base (and his escape from rocks in general) still need to be explained, but it's important to realize that we've only gotten Obito's perspective so far, and he himself doesn't know those details... if it's ever revealed that Madara had a greater hand in Obito's kidnapping/mishaps/Rin's death/etc, I'm sure we'll get another bandage explanation (Zetsu network retrieved Obito, etc).
     
         

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    Re: Tobi was never meant to Obito

    eh dudes...the story is awesome...it reveals a lot of unanswered questions..
     
         

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    Re: Tobi was never meant to Obito

    No, I think he was meant to be Obito, I mean, the sharingan stuff with Kakashi and all...
     
         

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    Re: Tobi was never meant to Obito

    Tobi has always been Obito ever since day 1.
     
         

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    Re: Tobi was never meant to Obito

    It was meant to be Obito. Sure it doesn't go into how he survived that day but it makes sense. Kakashi and him have the same MS but Obito learnt to control it before Kakashi because Obito probably got help from Madara but Kakashi didn't see Obito in the afterlife he saw his father in the afterlife but before he died, as he was losing conciousness he was thinking of Rin, Obito and the 4th Hokage, Kakashi assumed he would see them in the afterlife
     
         

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    Re: Tobi was never meant to Obito

    The fact that Kakashi was even surprised that Tobi turned out to be Obito, shows that the whole Tobi=Obito concept wasn't supposed to happen, considering the fact that Tobi had already used Kamui directly in front of Kakashi on two separate occasions perfectly displaying that he had an MS as it's now an MS technique for both of them.

    http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/8/43-...?v=11207318506

    http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/8/52-...?v=11268997899

    Kakashi, with his sharingan activated, sees Tobi deliberately use Kamui, an MS technique, right in front of him yet clearly notes that Tobi only has a base sharingan activated.

    http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/8/43-...?v=11207318506

    If Tobi=Obito was actually meant to happen as people say, then Tobi should've actually had an MS visible before using Kamui and Kakashi, with his own sharingan activated should've seen this and began putting two and two together. There's just no way it was meant to happen, when you go back and reread previous chapters.
     
         

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