Tobi was never meant to Obito

[Prince Charles]

I'll tell you what, I'll provide the link that says he did, when you provide the link that says he didn't.

That makes no sense, why shud i provide a link that saids he didnt when theres no proof that he even did change his mind?


He even gives hints to who tobi is in part 1. . .

[The Hidden Shinobi]

PROOF FROM PAGE 397 that he was meant to be obito from the start this pretty much kills this thread -_- here he say to sasuke i guess i understand some weirdo takes you in and starts telling you all these shocking things.. reffering to what happened to him with madara

Dude, ive seen hints from chapter 14, I've seen about 20+ hints all together and people want to see kishi made this up last minute

HIS BLOODY NAME IS TOBI CASE CLOSED!!

[Prince Charles]

Dude, ive seen hints from chapter 14, I've seen about 20+ hints all together and people want to see kishi made this up last minute

HIS BLOODY NAME IS TOBI CASE CLOSED!!

Exactly. . Theres no much hints throughout the manga . . .

So how can people say obito was a last minute thing?

Smh'.

[b7718]

That makes no sense, why shud i provide a link that saids he didnt when theres no proof that he even did change his mind?


He even gives hints to who tobi is in part 1. . .

Alright, I'll play along.

Why should I provide a link that did when there's no proof that he didn't?

He eluded it to be many people in the past....

And round and round we go, how about we get off this carousel before we both want to vomit.

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Alright, I'll play along.

Why should I provide a link that did when there's no proof that he didn't?

He eluded it to be many people in the past....

And round and round we go, how about we get off this carousel before we both want to vomit.

Your saying kishi made us believe it was different people ........ GTFO, please just GTFO.

Is kishi going to make a guy wear a mask to hind his idenity and hold a sign up telling us who is under there. Did you not think the point of kishi making obito wear a mask is to make us not know it is him.

Please just leave, that was the dumbest post I have seen in a long time, just go.

Exactly. . Theres no much hints throughout the manga . . .

So how can people say obito was a last minute thing?

Smh'.

"Most" of these people are retards who said it could never be obito, they all joined together on one post to rant just leave them.

[Prince Charles]

Alright, I'll play along.

Why should I provide a link that did when there's no proof that he didn't?

He eluded it to be many people in the past....

And round and round we go, how about we get off this carousel before we both want to vomit.

Your only making yourself look retarded, the simple fact that he showed hints for tobi being obito in part 1 makes your case invalid.

Once again theres no proof he changed his mind,do i have a link for that? No but the manga is my link.


What other canidates were there for tobi?izuna? Kagami? Elder son? kishi hardly gave any hints for any of them being tobi, but guess what he did for obito.

[b7718]

You guys do realize that anyone can pull up numerous manga pages of Obito verbally saying he's Madara right? Tobi lied all the time so Kishi could theoretically make whichever lie a truth. all we're saying is that Kishi left every window open in the house, and that's enough to cause doubt. I'm sure he considered taking many different directions along the way, it's how a story develops.

If he did have this unwavering idea of him being Tobi way back when, then that's precisely why the story has taken a nose dive in quality. It's writing 101. If you are not willing to change and adapt to the development of your story, and force it to go in one particular direction, then both the story and characters will suffer from your inflexibility.

[b7718]

Oh... I just noticed the time. The kids are up, sigh...

[Prince Charles]

You guys do realize that anyone can pull up numerous manga pages of Obito verbally saying he's Madara right? Tobi lied all the time so Kishi could theoretically make whichever lie a truth. all we're saying is that Kishi left every window open in the house, and that's enough to cause doubt. I'm sure he considered taking many different directions along the way.

If he did have this unwavering idea of him being Tobi way back when, then that's precisely why the story has taken a nose dive in quality. It's writing 101. If you are not willing to change and adapt to the development of your story, and force it to go in one particular direction, then both the story and characters will suffer from your inflexibility.

Tobi(obito) lieing was already explained in the flashbacks when madara was taking care of him. You can keep making up theoriess and excuses but until kishi saids he did, he didnt.


If he did have this unwavering idea of him being Tobi way back when, then that's precisely why the story has taken a nose dive in quality. It's writing 101. If you are not willing to change and adapt to the development of your story, and force it to go in one particular direction, then both the story and characters will suffer from your inflexibility.

That came out your ass and its simply your opinoon, not every author will think like all authors, theres nothing wrong with sticking with your original plot and idea.If you could do a better drop than kishi then i cant wait to see your own Naruto manga.

[b7718]

Tobi(obito) lieing was already explained in the flashbacks when madara was taking care of him. You can keep making up theoriess and excuses but until kishi saids he did, he didnt.


If he did have this unwavering idea of him being Tobi way back when, then that's precisely why the story has taken a nose dive in quality. It's writing 101. If you are not willing to change and adapt to the development of your story, and force it to go in one particular direction, then both the story and characters will suffer from your inflexibility.

That came out your ass and its simply your opinoon, not every author will think like all authors, theres nothing wrong with sticking with your original plot and idea.If you could do a better drop than kishi then i cant wait to see your own Naruto manga.

Actually no. It's not simply "my opinion". I've taken multiple writing courses in the past, work in the film industry alongside numerous writers, director's (story tellers) etc, and write myself. It's how it works partner.

[mabanae]

i think
no , i am sure you are wrong

[b7718]

Can you be more specific?

[b7718]

Very basic. It's 7am and I haven't slept yet.

- In a story you'll have an idea, usually there's a beginning/middle/end but often when you start, you may not even have that. A manga series is a beast of information. You may have general ideas and concepts about where you'd like to end up, but you don't know everything or how to get there.

1 6 9 12 100- End

- Now since you don't know every single solitary piece of information from the get go, you make it up along the way.

- The story/characters will begin to go in different directions you never even conceived in the beginning. - Do you think Kishi thought of all this from the 1st issue?

- When that happens, what you conceived of originally in the past, may no longer be the best way to go or even relevant anymore.

- Now you have a choice to make: Do you proceed forward as the story has unfolded, or do you force it to go back in the other direction. That's a personal choice. Jabba the Hutt was originally just a fat guy, they changed him for the better of the story. Han Solo was a originally a weird Lizard man.

I'm not going to go on and on about this, but to not even acknowledge that there's a possibility he changed his mind along the way is just plain ignorant.

[The God of Wind -in detention-]

Look at all the aspiring mangakas in here who think they are smart and know how Kishimoto works. NOT!

Get your heads out from your behind's!

He was always Obito, you are just too butt hurt or too arrogant to admit it, or sadly just too stupid to see it.

[b7718]

Look at all the aspiring mangakas in here who think they are smart and know how Kishimoto works. NOT!

Get your heads out from your behind's!

He was always Obito, you are just too butt hurt or too arrogant to admit it, or sadly just too stupid to see it.

The Earth is flat, the Gods live on Mount Olympus, and the news channels always report the truth. - Open your eyes.

[The God of Wind -in detention-]

The Earth is flat, the Gods live on Mount Olympus, and the news channels always report the truth. - Open your eyes.

Kakashi's Mangekyou power was a dead give away noob. :rofl:

[b7718]

Good luck working at a Starbucks the rest of your life kiddo, cause you're gonna need a more flexible/open mind then that to get ahead in this world.

[★Saiya-Jin Prince]

Kishi did have Obito in mind, but left himself enough slack via plotholes to make him whomever he felt like. If he changed his mind because of excessive Obito theories and decided last minute to go with Izuna, he could have. And wouldn't have had too much trouble filling in the gaps

[Daisuke Nakano]

actually if u look back at certain parts in the manga it was actually foreshadowing that Obito was tobi and why do you think that they've been mentioning obito a lot when it came to kakashi this was all planned out

[Daisuke Nakano]

Why did Kakashi saw Obito with Rin and Minato in the afterlife? coz he was originally intended to have died

Actually that wasnt really obito minato and rin that was just kakashi seeing them but i dont think they were actually there and he didnt mean to end it with the pain arc at all in fact because he meant for madara to be the main antagonist since the beginning of the show

[b7718]

Kishi did have Obito in mind, but left himself enough slack via plotholes to make him whomever he felt like. If he changed his mind because of excessive Obito theories and decided last minute to go with Izuna, he could have. And wouldn't have had too much trouble filling in the gaps

I won't argue that.

Tobi's Obito, there's no arguing that anymore, but he left enough wiggle room, just in case.

[Daisuke Nakano]

I don't understand why you believe he is weaker without Zetsu's body. The only advantage his Zetsu body gave him was his protection, but current Obito has Rinnengan now which automatically makes him stronger

Well actually with zetsu's body he had hashirama's cells and was able to use a few mokuton techniques therefore making him stronger and with the zetsu's body he wouldn't be able to use the rinnegan

[T Bogard]

Well actually with zetsu's body he had hashirama's cells and was able to use a few mokuton techniques therefore making him stronger and with the zetsu's body he wouldn't be able to use the rinnegan

Huh, how did the discussion turned to that point? Anyway he already had Hashirama's DNA without Zetsu's body, like it is shown in latest chapters that he could use Mokuton without Zetsu's body

[b7718]

This is completely off topic, but I'm looking at your pic and I can't help but wonder whether Minato's mark is still in Obito's body. eh... whatever.

[The Hidden Shinobi]

I bet kishi pulled minato being naruto's dad out of his ass too right? Because you damn fools can't see obvious signs kishi does. Yellow hair blue eyes, come on.

Obito's name and tobi's name, having similar abilities as kakashi and tobi having his sharingan on the other side kakashi doesn't have his. Come on!

Don't blame your stupidity to not see the signs and saying kishi made it up last second, damn fools.