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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Suicide is an honorable act like Sepukku in Japan, only the Judaic Christian religions frown on it and yet there is no direct reference in scripture that suicide is a sin, let me all direct you to this essay by Schopenhauer on suicide http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/s/scho.../chapter3.html

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Yes, it is. That's why I don't do it
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson Trickster View Post
    What's honor worth when you're dead?
    And what is life worth without honor? The same way Kakashi's father took his own life. Read the essay first
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson Trickster View Post
    What's honor worth when you're dead?
    well you don't honour yourself other people honour you so it's not for you..and that's what they were tuaght. that if they sinned or forbid the kings order they should give their lives recompense ..so that's what they saw as the honourable and only decent thing to do...bit stupid tho:/
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Derp Obito View Post
    And what is life worth without honor?
    I think you need to leave.
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Derp Obito View Post
    Suicide is an honorable act like Sepukku in Japan, only the Judaic Christian religions frown on it and yet there is no direct reference in scripture that suicide is a sin, let me all direct you to this essay by Schopenhauer on suicide http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/s/scho.../chapter3.html

    there is nothing in the world to which every mail has a more unassailable title than to his own life and person.
    Don't ruin this thread with religion...
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Look at all these comments, People would bring in god religion and write all kind of stupid sht for rep, NOW THAT's SELFISH... Seriously i can't keep on reading these comments, Off i go...

    Nice Hot thread -.-'
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    *shrugs* There are so many reasons as to why it isn't selfish.

    - The person could of been mentally ill.

    - The person could be in danger of exposing government secrets (Prisoner of War)

    - The person could truly be suffering as far as life surroundings (Third World Countries)
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    No, it isn't a selfish act. Some of you are saying its selfish because the suicide causes loved ones to suffer. By that same argument, forcing a person who is deeply depressed to continue living in pain because others don't want to be hurt is selfish of those other people.

    I had a friend who took their own life, and not once have I heard anyone refer to them as selfish. In fact the person was one of the nicest and most selfless people you would have ever met. He was just suffering and was unable to overcome his issues (mental illness) through therapy or medication. It was an incredibly sad event and I wish he hadn't done it, but at the same time there's no way I could imagine how he felt at the time.

    Its easy to stand there and call these people cowards and say they're taking the easy way out, but in truth you have no clue what they're feeling at that moment and have no right to belittle them.
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    @ DERP dont compare the ninja life with a normal life ...... there's nothing honorable about taking your life , this is not fictional , this is life ! .......cause this shit here is REAL !
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    not only is it selfish it's pathetic and pitiful
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    I think that saying suicide is bad or good is not a decision for us to make.
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson Trickster View Post
    Then that's even more retarded.
    it's pretty stupid but thats what they were brainwashed with :/
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    No, it isn't a selfish act. Some of you are saying its selfish because the suicide causes loved ones to suffer. By that same argument, forcing a person who is deeply depressed to continue living in pain because others don't want to be hurt is selfish of those other people.

    I had a friend who took their own life, and not once have I heard anyone refer to them as selfish. In fact the person was one of the nicest and most selfless people you would have ever met. He was just suffering and was unable to overcome his issues (mental illness) through therapy or medication. It was an incredibly sad event and I wish he hadn't done it, but at the same time there's no way I could imagine how he felt at the time.

    Its easy to stand there and call these people cowards and say they're taking the easy way out, but in truth you have no clue what they're feeling at that moment and have no right to belittle them.
    Beautiful Post
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Let me pose the query.

    Which of you denizens of NB have gone through a really tough tribulation or trial yet? Did you think about committing suicide when you were in dire straights, or did you have a firm grip on life?

    To answer my own question: Yes I've been through really dire straights, but I chose life over afterlife. I did think about suicide though.
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson Trickster View Post
    What kind of a retarded question is that? Honor is a subjective concept, as proved by your first comment. Christians don't see it as honorable, while ancient Japan did. Who's to say what's honorable and what's not? Why even care? I don't live my life according to what other people see as "honorable". I couldn't give a shit less about honor. I live the way I want to; that's all there is to it.
    So you are basing it on personal beliefs and not on absolute morality, then who are you to say that those who commit suicide are less moral than those who don't? and how can you define it as selfishness if you are subscribing to moral relativism?

    it's pretty stupid but thats what they were brainwashed with :/
    The same way can be said to people who subscribe to religious dogma or philosophical axioms. So who are you to judge those who are brainwashed or not? what is your measure then of what is right and what is not?
     
         
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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    From POV, I don't find it a selfish act, since
    If someone were to commit suicide, what are the causes of it? Hatred, weakness, pain...? Well it doesn't matter much, since whatever the case may be, there will be someone you can count on, but it there is no one to count on, no one to be your rock, then who is going to miss you? The selfish people of society whom exploit others? No. No one will miss you, since there is no one you can count on, then who is there to miss you? And if there is someone you can count on, then what is the purpose of suicide, as there is someone that can help you out.
     
         
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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    No, it isn't a selfish act. Some of you are saying its selfish because the suicide causes loved ones to suffer. By that same argument, forcing a person who is deeply depressed to continue living in pain because others don't want to be hurt is selfish of those other people.

    I had a friend who took their own life, and not once have I heard anyone refer to them as selfish. In fact the person was one of the nicest and most selfless people you would have ever met. He was just suffering and was unable to overcome his issues (mental illness) through therapy or medication. It was an incredibly sad event and I wish he hadn't done it, but at the same time there's no way I could imagine how he felt at the time.

    Its easy to stand there and call these people cowards and say they're taking the easy way out, but in truth you have no clue what they're feeling at that moment and have no right to belittle them.
    You didn't explain why...
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson Trickster View Post
    A) There's no such thing as "absolute" morality. Morality is, much like the concept of honor, subjective.
    B) I never said they were less moral. I said they were selfish. I consider selfishness a part of human nature, by the way.
    C) That last part of your sentence doesn't even make any fucking sense. How would any kind of relativism prevent me from defining anything as selfish? Like you said, I use my personal belief system to define what is what. As long as I give an explanation on why I think the way I do (which I did in my first post of this thread) then I don't see the issue here :/
    Then you are merely basing it on personal opinion and nothing more since you hold no absolute ground for your beliefs, your argument is based not on logic or philosophical reasoning but from personal, subjective and emotive sentiments. You're "explanation" is without substance or merit.
     
         
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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson Trickster View Post
    Well no shit, the question itself asks for a personal opinion in the first place - that doesn't mean I didn't use logic in my answer to support it. You can try to act high and mighty with me, but everyone here can see through your pseudo-philosophical bullshit
    Opinions based solely on personal sentiments and not from logic and reason are worthless and impudent. And no you did not use logic in your argument, you merely gave an opinion on the matter and nothing more. If you cannot hold absolute moral or philosophical grounds on your statements or propositions then there is no bedrock to arbitrate disagreement.
     
         

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