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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Very much selfish in my opinion. If you're having a tough time, you see it through to the end. Life is a blessing, we're very fortunate to have it. Committing suicide basically completely disregards this blessing, and not only that, it makes the people close to you besides themselves with grief and suffering. If you're thinking about committing suicide, think about the people you care about. If you don't want them to suffer, then endure your own suffering to see all of you smiling at the end of it.
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Quote Originally Posted by obito777 View Post
    It depends on how you look at it and the situation
    Yeah what he said
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Selfish or not, it should be only their decision. Trying to change their decision for your benefit is selfish.
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Only in certain situations, for example sakumo's suicide was selfish
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Uchiha Shisui suicided. Was it selfish? Hell no. It all depends on situation, if you have a family or not. However, if you're planing smh like that I'll give you an advice. Don't do that. I have thought about it once..
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Quote Originally Posted by roncato View Post
    Uchiha Shisui suicided. Was it selfish? Hell no. It all depends on situation, if you have a family or not. However, if you're planing smh like that I'll give you an advice. Don't do that. I have thought about it once..
    thats what im saying, shisui suicided for the better of konoha, while sakumo suicided leaving kakashi alone
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    When a person commits suicide it's not simply because they're thinking about themselves. The people around them also aren't thinking about that person; at least until they've ended their life. Sure it's easy to pretend that isn't the case after the fact. Or maybe even to fool yourself into believing you've done everything possible before it happens. But it won't matter what you tell yourself once they're dead and gone.

    This thread casts the problem as a personal one when the issue is much more systemic. We've created a society that functions on the suffering of others; where we pretend that we are good people because we can't handle the reality. We pray to our gods for the health of others while money that could be spent on disease research goes toward yet another iPhone or lotto ticket. We demand peace and fairness while ignoring mass executions and pushing more money into the hands of the wealthy. We place our values in basal materialistic desires, rather than into cooperation and unity, despite the latter being more capable of sating the former. We pretend the problems we created were the machinations of some 3rd party. And worst of all: we pretend to understand what we'd much rather ignore.

    So whether or not it's a selfish act is irrelevant. That's a question and answer that doesn't fit the problem. But what is selfish is to condemn those who are gravely suffering and indeed those who have already died. If we were to afford them an ounce of relief instead of a pound of disdain then maybe - just maybe they wouldn't kill themselves.
     
         
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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    i think it is selfless and stupid......
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    In Judeo-Christian All suicides go to Hell automatically. So you replace temporary suffering on earth for eternal suffering in Hell,What a trade off.
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    it is. its a weak act for the weak.
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Honord Sage View Post
    In Judeo-Christian All suicides go to Hell automatically. So you replace temporary suffering on earth for eternal suffering in Hell,What a trade off.
    They're obviously wrong, so why worry.
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Sorry if I'm cruel but I would much rather have a a person comity suicide than kill their mom then go to Sandy Hooks school and kill 22 children and 4 teachers because he was depressed his life was sh*t. In my opinion he should e killed himself its the lesser of the 2 evils.
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    somewhere not too far from where i live,i know that there is someone who feels utterly helpless,that they wish to commit suicide,but dont.and there are some not to far from where i live where there is someone who commited suicide.i live in the u.s and most people live very spoiled,their are hardly those that truly suffering life,but they know in their gut what they even have wont amount to anything and don't work at their problems.if we are fortunate enough to have our entire body with no disability,and a healthy mind,and are aware of our concision than their is no reason to commit suicide.weak ones are their to justify the strong.the only people i could feel that can justify a suicide are in third world countries like Africa,but even then they all try to cling to life one way or another even with aid going around like a whore in a rich mans home.
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zatronium View Post
    When a person commits suicide it's not simply because they're thinking about themselves. The people around them also aren't thinking about that person; at least until they've ended their life. Sure it's easy to pretend that isn't the case after the fact. Or maybe even to fool yourself into believing you've done everything possible before it happens. But it won't matter what you tell yourself once they're dead and gone.

    This thread casts the problem as a personal one when the issue is much more systemic. We've created a society that functions on the suffering of others; where we pretend that we are good people because we can't handle the reality. We pray to our gods for the health of others while money that could be spent on disease research goes toward yet another iPhone or lotto ticket. We demand peace and fairness while ignoring mass executions and pushing more money into the hands of the wealthy. We place our values in basal materialistic desires, rather than into cooperation and unity, despite the latter being more capable of sating the former. We pretend the problems we created were the machinations of some 3rd party. And worst of all: we pretend to understand what we'd much rather ignore.

    So whether or not it's a selfish act is irrelevant. That's a question and answer that doesn't fit problem. But what is selfish is to condemn those who are gravely suffering and indeed those who have already died. If we were to afford them an ounce of relief instead of a pound of disdain then maybe - just maybe they wouldn't kill themselves.

    Exactly my point. You can't say someone has all these people that love them but in reality none of them he/she could talk to. So much for the loving them part. Sometimes people need someone they can express what's being hidden inside that nobody cares enough to listen. It isn't being being selfish, and it's not being a coward. What usually triggers this act is when people put burden rather than understanding. We don't live in a happy world with people who always help each other. But all it takes is one to stop it all.
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Not to mention stupid.
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    do as you wish with your own life
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    I think it is, amongst many other things. I don't understand suicide though, I'm mean I have been in very depressed states but I never wanted to end my life. Life just is to vast and holds too many opportunities to cut it short.
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    It's easy to say that suicide is an "easy way" out. But think. If the victims' lives were so "easy" why would they even be thinking about suicide in the first place. It's disgusting how the majority would rather judge and harshly criticize the act of the suicide itself, rather than empathize with the victim, their families, and their friends. (if they had any) It's like automatically relating the victim's life with your own, instantly drawing your comparisons between 'obstacles', 'hardships', and 'challenges'. Suicide victims don't have YOUR obstacles in their lives and you don't have THEIR obstacles! You don't even know what they have seen and lived through... Their positive and negative experiences...Their hopes and dreams...

    ALL life is precious. Suicide is a sad thing, yet it happens everyday. Nobody is exactly the same. We all have different levels of tolerance to things. Some can tolerate the cold better. Some can tolerate hot weather better. Some can tolerate ALOT of pain, and some have very little tolerance to pain. We all cope in different ways. Some people don't have any ways of coping with their pain. It's sad and depressing but we can't control the fate of our fellow Human beings. What we CAN control is our responses to the events in our lifetimes.

    WHY fuss over the argument of "Is suicide right, or wrong?!" It doesn't matter if it's wrong or right. It will still happen. The problem is that we live in an ignorant society that would rather dwell on trivial matters, rather than working to solve the problem at the root.

    For example: Picture, side by side, the lives of two young teenage guys. One is straight. One is gay. Which guy do you think will have an easier time being himself, fitting in, and progressing through life?

    Think about how much bullshit people get if they're not considered "normal" or "straight". You can't just compare the two guys' lives. Nobody can experience what you feel except for yourself. Now picture the lives of two teenage girls, side by side. One is straight, one is gay/lesbian/bisexual. Obviously in this society, girls who are lesbian or bisexual are more easily accepted in comparison to gay/bisexual men.
    When guys see 2 girls making out. POP! There's instantly a boner or two. But when 2 guys are making out... Different story. They're the ones who will get the bull shit. It's selfish, hypocrisy.

    Males who hate gay/bisexual men would most of the time be 100% be down for a 3 some with 2 bisexual/lesbian girls. In fact they'd probably seek that out if they actually knew/saw a couple lesbians/bi girls! BUT as soon as they see a gay/bisexual man/couple.. They start throwing out insults and all this bullshit. They be criticizing other non-aggressive, human beings for trying to live happy lives.<---- think about that.

    Another example: Imagine what YOUR life would be like if you were born Transgendered.

    Do you see the ignorance? And don't get me started on the religious extremists.....

    This poll shouldn't even exist in the first place. "...is it selfish"? Let me ask you. Do you live your life for yourself or for someone else? Are you seeking out YOUR dreams and YOUR happiness? Do you have YOUR goals etc.? Well! You MUST be selfish then, right? Wrong. That's the same kind of logic you're putting in this thread. Suicide isn't selfish. It's a sad, and desperate method of escaping one's pain and suffering. Rather than arguing over "is it wrong or right", we should be compassionate human beings that try to tolerate our differences and understand one another.

    A few thought provoking quotes

    "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
    - Martin Luther King, Jr.

    "It ain't about black or white cuz we're Human, I hope we see the light before it's ruined."
    - Tupac Shakur

    "One thing I can say to that is that we are not disposable, we do not exist to be punch bags for the ignorance of fools nor do we choose to be trans-gender, we are just born that way and we struggle through our lives to be ourselves while being forced to be someone we are not.
    The many ignorant people in the world who hate on anyone who can't help how they were born are the aspect of humanity that will always hold back the chance of progress and acceptance of one another as a species."
    - Anonymous, Transgendered person

    HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY IS IMMENSELY COMPLEX. KEEP ANY OF YOUR HARSH CRITICISMS TO YOURSELF PLEASE!

    Unnecessary negativity is unnecessary. Spread love and positivity. ONE LOVE to my fellow Earthlings!!
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    Quote Originally Posted by ~Theleader~ View Post
    They're obviously wrong, so why worry.
    Nope they are not wong. If there is no life after this life than killing should also be no problem.
     
         

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    Re: Is suicide a selfish act?

    This is always a stupid question.

    Is it Selfish for someone to live only for the concern of someone else?

    Coward you say? Well please go ahead and try it because I assure the people who do kill themselves
    have Aloooooot more balls then those who chicken out or fail at it.

    It's a choice and that's it. people have the choice to live as they do to die.

    Most people who do commit suicide have higher morals and self dignity than others.
    They cared too much, They felt too much guilt or they were true to their feelings.

    Drug overdose due to stupidity does not count though.
     
         

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