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    About Tobirama Probably being Top tier

    This is what we do know about him.

    1: He was made Hokage. Right away this means he was one amongst the strongest of the strongest village in the NV.
    2: He is (most likely)the greatest user of water release in NV.
    3: Space time jutsu mastery
    4: taijutsu mastery
    5: Bringer of darkness
    6: He can sense enemies by touching the ground with a finger.
    7: He managed to, while all alone, actually survive the onslaught of the whole kinkaku force. This should not be possible, I mean they consist of about 20 jounin level shinobi, possibly kakuzu, and prime Kinkaku and Ginkaku (I am not sure if they had the rikodou tools at this time)

    Points of this thread is to hype up Tobirama

    Tobirama is top ten
     
         
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    Re: About Tobirama Probably being Top tier

    Mei sucks. Its obvious he could rival her no problem.
     
         

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    Mei sucks. Its obvious he could rival her no problem.
    Mei sucks what?
     
         

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    Re: About Tobirama Probably being Top tier

    Quote Originally Posted by KakuzuHatesMoney View Post
    Mei sucks. Its obvious he could rival her no problem.
    I think so too, but Mei does not suck bro. She has like three KGs. Her water release neutralizes Edo Madaras fire jutsu
     
         

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    Re: About Tobirama Probably being Top tier

    Of course he was a Kage+ level Shinobi.
     
         

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    Re: About Tobirama Probably being Top tier

    We don't know alot about him unfortunately. Except what you mentioned
     
         

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    Re: About Tobirama Probably being Top tier

    he mustve been super strong since he was a senju and he was hashirama's brother so hashi prolly taught him some stuff and he did create Edo Tensei but for what purpose???
     
         

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    Re: About Tobirama Probably being Top tier

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    Mei sucks what?
    Nothing. Why do you think she gets so butthurt whenever that other guy mentions marriage?
     
         

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    he mustve been super strong since he was a senju and he was hashirama's brother so hashi prolly taught him some stuff and he did create Edo Tensei but for what purpose???
    Who knows, my theory is that he created it to revive his brother in battle
     
         

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    Re: About Tobirama Probably being Top tier

    His s/t ninjutsu has to be good because Minato said that the Masked Man Time space jutsu was better than his and lord Second's...As far as water Jutsu goes I will put him on the same level as Kisame because both can change an entire battle field and completely submerge it underwater...
     
         

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    nidaime hokage tonaro situno senju tobirama sama

    My favorite hokage
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    Tobirama Senju (千手扉間, Senju Tobirama) was the Second Hokage (二代目火影, Nidaime Hokage; Literally meaning "Second Fire Shadow") of Konohagakure. He hails from the Senju clan, who, along with the Uchiha clan, founded the first shinobi village: Konoha. During his reign, Tobirama was accredited as the Hokage that developed the village's organisational system as well as some of its infrastructure.[1]

    Tobirama was a member of the Senju clan along with his brother Hashirama — who was the leader of the clan. Decades before the start of the series, Hashirama struck a peace treaty with the Uchiha and its then-leader Madara Uchiha and together the two clans created Konohagakure.[2] When Hashirama, who was appointed the First Hokage, died, Tobirama was appointed as the Second Hokage.[3] During his reign he was primarily responsible for establishing Konoha's organisational system. He established various organisations such as the Academy, the ANBU, the Chūnin Exams and the Konoha Military Police Force,[1] the latter of which he created as a sign of trust towards the Uchiha who made up the majority of that organisation. However, according to Tobi, the Police Force was actually established to distance the Uchiha from the government of the village and place the clan under a tight surveillance by the ANBU.[4] At some point during his tenure, he and the Second Raikage met to form a formal alliance between Kumogakure and Konohagakure; however, Kinkaku and Ginkaku, Kumo's Gold and Silver Brothers, attempted a coup d’etat against the Second Raikage and left Tobirama near death during the fiasco.[5]

    He also trained a three-man team of his own, which consisted of Hiruzen Sarutobi, Homura Mitokado, and Koharu Utatane.[6] On one mission during the First Shinobi World War, on which Team Tobirama performed with Danzō Shimura, Kagami Uchiha and Torifu Akimichi, they found themselves surrounded by twenty elite Kumo ninja known as the Kinkaku Force. Tobirama then realised that the only way any of them could escape alive was for one of them to be a decoy and sacrifice themselves; therefore having faith that he had trained his students well, he chose to sacrifice himself after he selected his prized student Hiruzen for the position of Third Hokage. Homura and Koharu would later become Hiruzen's advisers. After giving the title of Hokage to Hiruzen, Tobirama went off to fight the enemies where he died a noble death.[7]
    Tobirama took great pride in his abilities. He also had a sense of humour, even under stressful situations. Like his brother, Tobirama felt a great deal of loyalty to the village, and placed its well-being above his own. Tobirama was also described as being strong-spirited, and passionate.[1]

    Tobirama was a tall, fair-skinned man with white, shaggy hair, red eyes and three red markings on his face — two under his eyes and one on his chin. In most cases, his attire took the form of the standard shinobi dress of his era, consisting of blue traditional armour — similar to that of samurai — albeit featuring a distinctive white fur collar, worn over a simple black suit. This armour was constructed from numerous metal plates, formed into multiple protective guards along his body, in particular: chest, waist, shoulders and upper arms. This clothing was accompanied by sandals and a happuri engraved with the Konoha emblem, in the place of the more traditional forehead protector.
    Outside of this outfit, Tobirama wore a simple, short-sleeved, blue shirt kimono with mesh armour underneath and held closed by a pale yellow sash, as well as blue pants and a bracelet of sorts on his left hand.

    As the Second Hokage, Tobirama was undoubtedly an immensely powerful shinobi and was hailed as one of the most powerful shinobi of his era.[8] During his lifetime, Tobirama created the Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation technique;[9] however, some time after its creation he labelled it as a kinjutsu[10] and never mastered it himself,[11] though he did use it enough to be recognised by others for it.[12][13] By simply touching the ground with his index finger, he could detect the presence and number of enemy shinobi,[14] and according to Minato Namikaze, Tobirama was highly skilled in Space–Time Ninjutsu.[15] Tobirama was also shown to have great physical prowess and a considerable amount of skill in the area of taijutsu, as well as good teamwork with his elder brother, Hashirama Senju. In the anime, it was shown that he was also a powerful genjutsu user, able to shroud the area in darkness that even the Third Hokage couldn't dispel.[16] It was said that he wielded the Sword of the Thunder God, a blade with electrical abilities, and was said to have mastered its use despite the blade's lethal nature.[17]

    Tobirama was primarily known for his mastery of Water Release. He could perform powerful water-style techniques in areas that lacked bodies of water by creating his own water out of thin air or producing it from his mouth, and perform some of the most complex water-style techniques, such as the Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique, with a single hand seal. This amongst other reasons is why he is revered as the greatest known Water Release manipulator in the series.[18]

    In the anime, it is also shown that he can use the Water Release: Water Colliding Wave to attack and cover a large area with water. In areas with water, he can move underwater and stay for a considerable amount of time. Underwater, he can use jets of water to bring his target to him and after restrain them for trying to drown them or launch powerful missiles of water which can even pierce rocks.[19]

    Both he and Hashirama were reincarnated by Orochimaru, using Impure World Reincarnation, to fight Hiruzen during the invasion of Konoha. While fully aware of what was going on, and saddened that he would have to fight his former student, Orochimaru employed a special seal into the back of their heads to rob Tobirama and his brother of their free will. Hiruzen quickly resolved to kill his masters and used a very powerful fire technique that was easily countered by one of Tobirama's walls of water that was then turned into an attack that was stopped by Hiruzen's own earth wall.

    Hiruzen removing Tobirama's soul.
    During the battle, he demonstrated great teamwork and combination attacks with his brother, forcing Hiruzen to summon Enma for assistance. Hiruzen was however in his old age unable to defeat the two Hokage, as any damage that was done was simply regenerated and was further inhibited by his desire to not hurt either. His soul, along with his brother's, was eventually sealed by Hiruzen when he combined the Dead Demon Consuming Seal and the Shadow Clone Technique to strike both of them at the same time. Before his soul was completely removed, he and his brother apologised to their former student for the trouble they had caused.[20]


    Tobirama's legacy in the ninja world at large, is mixed. He was known for building Konoha's infrastructure and revolutionising the ninja system on a whole by establishing organisations such as the Academy, ANBU, as well as the Konoha Military Police Force — a judicial system for the village which he had the Uchiha govern, as a sign of trust. He also believed greatly in the Will of Fire of the village, which he passed on to the next generation.
    Somewhat conversely, he was also responsible for the creation of the Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation technique, which has been used by the traitors of Konoha: Orochimaru who used the technique to reincarnate both him and his brother to fight Hiruzen in an attempt to destroy the village, and Kabuto Yakushi who used it to aid Tobi in the war against the Five Great Shinobi Countries. Despite this, Tobirama is still revered as a powerful shinobi and Hokage, but still cursed for his creation of the Impure World Reincarnation technique.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by binderr View Post
    Who knows, my theory is that he created it to revive his brother in battle
    It was originally developed by Tobirama Senju. Madara Uchiha claimed it to be intended for the dead to be reincarnated into soldiers able to clear a battlefield with devastating and otherwise suicidal attacks.
     
         

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    it was said that to raise the dead and interrupt their peace is wrong, so I can't imagine Tobirama using it
     
         

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    Tobirama Senju (千手扉間, Senju Tobirama) was the Second Hokage (二代目火影, Nidaime Hokage; Literally meaning "Second Fire Shadow") of Konohagakure. He hails from the Senju clan, who, along with the Uchiha clan, founded the first shinobi village: Konoha. During his reign, Tobirama was accredited as the Hokage that developed the village's organisational system as well as some of its infrastructure.[1]

    Tobirama was a member of the Senju clan along with his brother Hashirama — who was the leader of the clan. Decades before the start of the series, Hashirama struck a peace treaty with the Uchiha and its then-leader Madara Uchiha and together the two clans created Konohagakure.[2] When Hashirama, who was appointed the First Hokage, died, Tobirama was appointed as the Second Hokage.[3] During his reign he was primarily responsible for establishing Konoha's organisational system. He established various organisations such as the Academy, the ANBU, the Chūnin Exams and the Konoha Military Police Force,[1] the latter of which he created as a sign of trust towards the Uchiha who made up the majority of that organisation. However, according to Tobi, the Police Force was actually established to distance the Uchiha from the government of the village and place the clan under a tight surveillance by the ANBU.[4] At some point during his tenure, he and the Second Raikage met to form a formal alliance between Kumogakure and Konohagakure; however, Kinkaku and Ginkaku, Kumo's Gold and Silver Brothers, attempted a coup d’etat against the Second Raikage and left Tobirama near death during the fiasco.[5]

    He also trained a three-man team of his own, which consisted of Hiruzen Sarutobi, Homura Mitokado, and Koharu Utatane.[6] On one mission during the First Shinobi World War, on which Team Tobirama performed with Danzō Shimura, Kagami Uchiha and Torifu Akimichi, they found themselves surrounded by twenty elite Kumo ninja known as the Kinkaku Force. Tobirama then realised that the only way any of them could escape alive was for one of them to be a decoy and sacrifice themselves; therefore having faith that he had trained his students well, he chose to sacrifice himself after he selected his prized student Hiruzen for the position of Third Hokage. Homura and Koharu would later become Hiruzen's advisers. After giving the title of Hokage to Hiruzen, Tobirama went off to fight the enemies where he died a noble death.[7]
    Tobirama took great pride in his abilities. He also had a sense of humour, even under stressful situations. Like his brother, Tobirama felt a great deal of loyalty to the village, and placed its well-being above his own. Tobirama was also described as being strong-spirited, and passionate.[1]

    Tobirama was a tall, fair-skinned man with white, shaggy hair, red eyes and three red markings on his face — two under his eyes and one on his chin. In most cases, his attire took the form of the standard shinobi dress of his era, consisting of blue traditional armour — similar to that of samurai — albeit featuring a distinctive white fur collar, worn over a simple black suit. This armour was constructed from numerous metal plates, formed into multiple protective guards along his body, in particular: chest, waist, shoulders and upper arms. This clothing was accompanied by sandals and a happuri engraved with the Konoha emblem, in the place of the more traditional forehead protector.
    Outside of this outfit, Tobirama wore a simple, short-sleeved, blue shirt kimono with mesh armour underneath and held closed by a pale yellow sash, as well as blue pants and a bracelet of sorts on his left hand.

    As the Second Hokage, Tobirama was undoubtedly an immensely powerful shinobi and was hailed as one of the most powerful shinobi of his era.[8] During his lifetime, Tobirama created the Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation technique;[9] however, some time after its creation he labelled it as a kinjutsu[10] and never mastered it himself,[11] though he did use it enough to be recognised by others for it.[12][13] By simply touching the ground with his index finger, he could detect the presence and number of enemy shinobi,[14] and according to Minato Namikaze, Tobirama was highly skilled in Space–Time Ninjutsu.[15] Tobirama was also shown to have great physical prowess and a considerable amount of skill in the area of taijutsu, as well as good teamwork with his elder brother, Hashirama Senju. In the anime, it was shown that he was also a powerful genjutsu user, able to shroud the area in darkness that even the Third Hokage couldn't dispel.[16] It was said that he wielded the Sword of the Thunder God, a blade with electrical abilities, and was said to have mastered its use despite the blade's lethal nature.[17]

    Tobirama was primarily known for his mastery of Water Release. He could perform powerful water-style techniques in areas that lacked bodies of water by creating his own water out of thin air or producing it from his mouth, and perform some of the most complex water-style techniques, such as the Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique, with a single hand seal. This amongst other reasons is why he is revered as the greatest known Water Release manipulator in the series.[18]

    In the anime, it is also shown that he can use the Water Release: Water Colliding Wave to attack and cover a large area with water. In areas with water, he can move underwater and stay for a considerable amount of time. Underwater, he can use jets of water to bring his target to him and after restrain them for trying to drown them or launch powerful missiles of water which can even pierce rocks.[19]

    Both he and Hashirama were reincarnated by Orochimaru, using Impure World Reincarnation, to fight Hiruzen during the invasion of Konoha. While fully aware of what was going on, and saddened that he would have to fight his former student, Orochimaru employed a special seal into the back of their heads to rob Tobirama and his brother of their free will. Hiruzen quickly resolved to kill his masters and used a very powerful fire technique that was easily countered by one of Tobirama's walls of water that was then turned into an attack that was stopped by Hiruzen's own earth wall.

    Hiruzen removing Tobirama's soul.
    During the battle, he demonstrated great teamwork and combination attacks with his brother, forcing Hiruzen to summon Enma for assistance. Hiruzen was however in his old age unable to defeat the two Hokage, as any damage that was done was simply regenerated and was further inhibited by his desire to not hurt either. His soul, along with his brother's, was eventually sealed by Hiruzen when he combined the Dead Demon Consuming Seal and the Shadow Clone Technique to strike both of them at the same time. Before his soul was completely removed, he and his brother apologised to their former student for the trouble they had caused.[20]


    Tobirama's legacy in the ninja world at large, is mixed. He was known for building Konoha's infrastructure and revolutionising the ninja system on a whole by establishing organisations such as the Academy, ANBU, as well as the Konoha Military Police Force — a judicial system for the village which he had the Uchiha govern, as a sign of trust. He also believed greatly in the Will of Fire of the village, which he passed on to the next generation.
    Somewhat conversely, he was also responsible for the creation of the Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation technique, which has been used by the traitors of Konoha: Orochimaru who used the technique to reincarnate both him and his brother to fight Hiruzen in an attempt to destroy the village, and Kabuto Yakushi who used it to aid Tobi in the war against the Five Great Shinobi Countries. Despite this, Tobirama is still revered as a powerful shinobi and Hokage, but still cursed for his creation of the Impure World Reincarnation technique.
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