Let's get something straight.

[From the Dark Spire]

Are you saying Obito is not the master of Kamui? His own eye tech? lol

this.. lol that guy.... anyway on topic, can't hit what you can't touch.. I mean there is a possibility of shinra tensei, like negative knight said. but again, with Kamui and the fact he can make hiself intangible, I don't see how pain will stop Obito. Yes he'll be a challenge, but Obito can overcome pain.

[UncleSi]

I was talking about Akatsuki, and even against Naruto, Pain wasn't at full power.

Sorry my logic was that Naruto beat them all in sm and now he is in bm and cant defeat Obito, and why was nagato not at full strength who said he wasnt?

[Noddy]

Nagato controls all the Path's, he is all of them combined and has all their powers, I doubt Obito can stop something like that.

I don't know whether you've suddenly started talking about Nagato here, but with regards to Pain, Obito stands a decent chance of snatching victory if we ignore the fact that he could always stop Nagato without initiating in direct combat with the Paths (because of his knowledge on the Rikudō‎ no Jutsu and the chakra receivers). Combining Mokuton with Kamui (and using a complete Izanagi as a last resort) equates to serious levels of hax. Pain also has ways of winning, mind.

[iSpeak the Truth -in detention-]

Sorry my logic was that Naruto beat them all in sm and now he is in bm and cant defeat Obito, and why was nagato not at full strength who said he wasnt?

Pain had just got done cleaning Konoha, God Mode was powerless until 4 of his 6 Path's were destroyed.

[From the Dark Spire]

Nagato is an idiot. Intelligence is invaluable when it comes to the Narutoverse. Therefore Obito>Nagato.

Nagato, an idiot? lol!

Pain has more than enough jutsu and animal summons to make Obito use up his 5 minutes, if Konan could do it, it'll be easy for Pain.

Didn't think about this, yeah you have a point. It still won't be easy and I still see Obito beating Pain somehow.

[UncleSi]

Pain had just got done cleaning Konoha, God Mode was powerless until 4 of his 6 Path's were destroyed.

m I accept your proposal...

[DonS]

lol random rant

[ItachiLeeHatake]

Nagato, an idiot? lol!

Didn't think about this, yeah you have a point. It still won't be easy and I still see Obito beating Pain somehow.

In comparison to the smartest of shinobi, yes. He was so easily manipulated. Madara is the only shinobi that is both a powerhouse and a smart guy (somewhat).

[ThomasJeffersonwasasadist]

He can only hold it for five minutes at a time after he releases it that time limit resets pain has to hit him non stop without obito dodging any of it by himself. just because konan had a huge trap set and knew obitos weakness doesn't mean pain /nagato would.

[iSpeak the Truth -in detention-]

I don't know whether you've suddenly started talking about Nagato here, but with regards to Pain, Obito stands a decent chance of snatching victory if we ignore the fact that he could always stop Nagato without initiating in direct combat with the Paths (because of his knowledge on the Rikudō‎ no Jutsu and the chakra receivers). Combining Mokuton with Kamui (and using a complete Izanagi as a last resort) equates to serious levels of hax. Pain also has ways of winning, mind.

All Obito depends on is his intangibility, which runs out after 5 minutes of continuous use. Pain can easily make him use that up.

And in any sort of case, Rinnegan will always defeat any other lower form of Dōjutsu, that shouldn't even be disputed.

[Prince of Persia TTT]

I always considered Nagato as the strongest
obito already had kamui
if he was so op and shit he could have killed him and obtained the rinnegan and carried the plan acc.
to his way or maybe the plot wasnt designed like that

[-Venom-]

not sure, but what about itachi?

[unorthodox]

please tell me how can the 6pop fight 6 bijuu when there bodies where getting destroyed by naruto punches in base rasengan plus obito has better controll over the mazo did nagato does also if where talking about nagato

6 bijuu plus obito combo will get his intervals

[Noddy]

All Obito depends on is his intangibility, which runs out after 5 minutes of continuous use. Pain can easily make him use that up.

And in any sort of case, Rinnegan will always defeat any other lower form of Dōjutsu, that shouldn't even be disputed.

He has Mokuton, which was hidden from us for plot/identity reasons. He will use Izanagi if he has to. So these aren't things you can ignore. And with regards to your final point. Obito isn't your typical MS user like Itachi or Sasuke who would be dispatched by a stronger Rinnegan user. You need a special type of power (ala, S/T Ninjutsu) to defeat him, that's canon [1]. The only way Pain is winning is if he can spam his Jutsu and force Obito to remain intangible (and therefore unable to warp). But the former has nothing for a complete Izanagi.

[iSpeak the Truth -in detention-]

not sure, but what about itachi?

When he was alive, he was hindered by many things. Pain would take him.

please tell me how can the 6pop fight 6 bijuu when there bodies where getting destroyed by naruto punches in base rasengan plus obito has better controll over the mazo did nagato does also if where talking about nagato

6 bijuu plus obito combo will get his intervals

This is about the time when Obito relied solely on Kamui and Izanagi.

[Kurokami]

please tell me how can the 6pop fight 6 bijuu when there bodies where getting destroyed by naruto punches in base rasengan plus obito has better controll over the mazo did nagato does also if where talking about nagato

6 bijuu plus obito combo will get his intervals

I believe OP is talking about a time when both the 6POP and Obito (or in this case Tobi) coexisted. This would mean pre-rinnegan Obito and his six paths.

[gramosi777]

Agree Nagato was the strongest

[-Holy Cross-]

Itachi>Pein

[iSpeak the Truth -in detention-]

He has Mokuton, which was hidden from us for plot/identity reasons. He will use Izanagi if he has to. So these aren't things you can ignore. And with regards to your final point. Obito isn't your typical MS user like Itachi or Sasuke who would be dispatched by a stronger Rinnegan user. You need a special type of power (ala, S/T Ninjutsu) to defeat him, that's canon [1]. The only way Pain is winning is if he can spam his Jutsu and force Obito to remain intangible (and therefore unable to warp). But the former has nothing for a complete Izanagi.

Mokuton is no match for Shinra Tensei. Izanagi is just an extended version of his intangibility. Since becoming intangible is a jutsu and not actual dematerialisation, Shinra Tensei should be able to repel it and draw it with Bansho Tenin. Pain has enough animal summons and Demon Path has more than enough weapons to make Obito exploit his Kamui and Izanagi. We don't even know if the King of Hell is even affected by intangibility.

[Noddy]

Mokuton is no match for Shinra Tensei.

Yeah, but when the majority of the other realms have been crushed, Pain will have a problem.

Izanagi is just an extended version of his intangibility.

No, because Izanagi is the type of Jutsu which will catch Pain off guard just when he thinks he's been victorious.

Since becoming intangible is a jutsu and not actual dematerialisation, Shinra Tensei should be able to repel it and draw it with Bansho Tenin.

He doesn't exist in this plane of reality when he becomes intangible, so neither of those Jutsu will be effective. The only time Shinra Tensei will be invaluable is when Obito attempts to warp the God Realm, because he'll need to become tangible to do so and Shinra Tensei will have maximum effectiveness.

Pain has enough animal summons and Demon Path has more than enough weapons to make Obito exploit his Kamui and Izanagi. We don't even know if the King of Hell is even affected by intangibility.

Which is one of Pain's strengths, but most of the summons will be crushed or impaled by Mokuton Sashiki. The thing is, one of Pain's main strengths was the complexity and overall mysteriousness surrounding his abilities. That strength is nulled by Obito's indepth knowledge of the 6 paths Jutsu which Madara taught him through and through. Basically, this isn't as clear as you're suggesting.

[iSpeak the Truth -in detention-]

Yeah, but when the majority of the other realms have been crushed, Pain will have a problem.



No, because Izanagi is the type of Jutsu which will catch Pain off guard just when he thinks he's been victorious.



He doesn't exist in this plane of reality when he becomes intangible, so neither of those Jutsu will be effective. The only time Shinra Tensei will be invaluable is when Obito attempts to warp the God Realm, because he'll need to become tangible to do so and Shinra Tensei will have maximum effectiveness.



Which is one of Pain's strengths, but most of the summons will be crushed or impaled by Mokuton Sashiki. The thing is, one of Pain's main strengths was the complexity and overall mysteriousness surrounding his abilities. That strength is nulled by Obito's indepth knowledge of the 6 paths Jutsu which Madara taught him through and through. Basically, this isn't as clear as you're suggesting.

The only reason Konan fell for that was because she didn't know what was going on. Shared field of vision will always tell Pain what's going on, not to mention, there is a possibility that Rinnegan can see beyond the normal eye in terms of perception, as in chakra color etc.

Regardless, it's a jutsu and his image still appears in that plain. Pain has the ability to repel and attract all physical forms and and all manner of jutsu. It is the reason Yahiko Path was called GOD MODE, it's like having a power God himself would have.


Except for the one that keeps multiplying when you hurt it(Cerberus), that's all he really needs. Knowledge of God cannot contest the power of God.

[Scrafty]

Don't we already know this?

[Ace of the fire fist]

Contract seal > The summoning path :P

[iSpeak the Truth -in detention-]

Don't we already know this?

Apparently not.

[Noddy]

The only reason Konan fell for that was because she didn't know what was going on. Shared field of vision will always tell Pain what's going on, not to mention, there is a possibility that Rinnegan can see beyond the normal eye in terms of perception, as in chakra color etc.

Er, why would Pain randomly know what's going on? The point is, most shinobi will naturally let their guard down when they think they've killed their opponent. Nagato isn't someone who has knowledge on forbidden Uchiha techniques (from what we know), so he has no reason to suspect that Obito has a way of making disadvantageous moments mere illusions. Seeing chakra with the Sharingan didn't stop Sasuke being taken aback initially by Danzou. The Rinnegan can see chakra, suggesting it can do anything else is simply speculation.

Regardless, it's a jutsu and his image still appears in that plain. Pain has the ability to repel and attract all physical forms and and all manner of jutsu. It is the reason Yahiko Path was called GOD MODE, it's like having a power God himself would have.

His body isn't there, so it won't work. Quite frankly, that's like saying Shinra Tensei can be used on someone if their body is in a completely different country. There's nothing there to affect with gravity.

Except for the one that keeps multiplying when you hurt it(Cerberus), that's all he really needs. Knowledge of God cannot contest the power of God.

That dog can still be incapacitated (as we saw with Amaterasu), so being pierced with multiple Mokuton spikes isn't something it can freely tank without consequence. Obito just knows everything because of Madara, that's why he's such an effective fighter.