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    Re: Let's get something straight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
    Thing is, Mokuton Sashiki is actually one of the most hax Jutsu in the manga. If Cerberus is pierced by multiple branches, Obito is able to make them grow by a considerable amount remotely. I'm all for Cerberus hax, but you're actually saying it can fight without consequence with its head looking like this. I find that highly unreasonable, considering Naruto canonically injured one with a Rasengan [1].

    Where did it say Obito's anger amplified his Mokuton? It didn't. And the Zetsuit was only compensation for what Obito's weakened body (which he had just destroyed trying to break the boulder) was unable to do at that time. The Zetsu is perfectly integrated into his body now, that's why he can use Mokuton, replace limbs and freely manipulate Hashirama's cells (to control the Juubi).
    Cerberus has been pierced many times before, the only thing mokuton does is create an army of invincible hounds from hell
     
         

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    Re: Let's get something straight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Retsu View Post
    Cerberus has been pierced many times before, the only thing mokuton does is create an army of invincible hounds from hell
    Show me where Cerberus has been pierced in the head by multiple spikes which are able to grow and ultimately protrude from all sides of its skull.
     
         

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    Re: Let's get something straight.

    When Obito's body is in his dimension he can still be seen in the normal one, isn't there a chance human-path can take his oul even when he's intangible.
     
         

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    Re: Let's get something straight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
    Show me where Cerberus has been pierced in the head by multiple spikes which are able to grow and ultimately protrude from all sides of its skull.
    as soon as Cerberus is pierced he divides, the dog can not be stopped by physical attacks, the only thing that ever stopped Cerberus is either amaterasu, or killing the summoner, you're the only person on the base who's crazy enough to think wooden spikes would kill Cerberus.
     
         

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    Re: Let's get something straight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Retsu View Post
    as soon as Cerberus is pierced he divides, the dog can not be stopped by physical attacks, the only thing that ever stopped Cerberus is either amaterasu, or killing the summoner, you're the only person on the base who's crazy enough to think wooden spikes would kill Cerberus.
    I said show me the page where Cerberus' brain/skull was completely destroyed in order to back up your claim. Even dividing will be useless, because each head will take some Moktuon with it, and Obito can just make that part grow too. The chakra rods located in the head which give Nagato his control could also be destroyed.
     
         

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    Re: Let's get something straight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Retsu View Post
    Cerberus has been pierced many times before, the only thing mokuton does is create an army of invincible hounds from hell
    This^
    Quote Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
    Thing is, Mokuton Sashiki is actually one of the most hax Jutsu in the manga. If Cerberus is pierced by multiple branches, Obito is able to make them grow by a considerable amount remotely. I'm all for Cerberus hax, but you're actually saying it can fight without consequence with its head looking like this. I find that highly unreasonable, considering Naruto canonically injured one with just a Rasengan [1].

    Where did it say Obito's anger amplified his Mokuton? It didn't. And the Zetsuit was only compensation for what Obito's weakened body (which he had just destroyed trying to break the boulder) was unable to do at that time. The Zetsu is perfectly integrated into his body now, that's why he can use Mokuton, replace limbs and freely manipulate Hashirama's cells (to control the Juubi).
    The manga did better than just saying it, it showed it. 'Hell' was all about him losing control and doing things he normally wouldn't have done consciously, his sudden realisation of his situation put him back into that frenzy, and that's how it kept going, back and forth until the end of the chapter.The fact that Obito was able to do anything similar to that time in 'Hell' via only the Juubi sort of proves that.
     
         

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    Re: Let's get something straight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince of Persia TTT View Post
    I always considered Nagato as the strongest
    obito already had kamui
    if he was so op and shit he could have killed him and obtained the rinnegan and carried the plan acc.
    to his way or maybe the plot wasnt designed like that
    It wouldn't have been a good decision for him to take Nagato's Rinnengan since someone needed to die to revive Madara, so living Nagato with the Rinnengan to accomplish the task was the best option. He needed a pawn who was Nagato
     
         

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    Re: Let's get something straight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
    I said show me the page where Cerberus' brain/skull was completely destroyed in order to back up your claim. Even dividing will be useless, because each head will take some Moktuon with it, and Obito can just make that part grow too. The chakra rods located in the head which give Nagato his control could also be destroyed.
    no matter where you stab the dog, it'll just split and divide, it isn't that hard of a concept to understand, the dog even tanked a giant rasengan, which has way more destructive power than most mokuton attacks.



    There's no way a summon that durable will die to something as petty as being stabbed by some wood.
     
         

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    Re: Let's get something straight.

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak the Truth View Post
    The manga did better than just saying it, it showed it. 'Hell' was all about him losing control and doing things he normally wouldn't have done consciously, his sudden realisation of his situation put him back into that frenzy, and that's how it kept going, back and forth until the end of the chapter.The fact that Obito was able to do anything similar to that time in 'Hell' via only the Juubi sort of proves that.
    Yeah, like unconsciously slaughtering people like an animal. A Kekkei Genkai like that isn't something that'll go away and can still be used at will.
     
         

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    Re: Let's get something straight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
    Yeah, like unconsciously slaughtering people like an animal. A Kekkei Genkai like that isn't something that'll go away and can still be used at will.
    A much weaker version of it was shown recently against Naruto.
     
         

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    Re: Let's get something straight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Retsu View Post
    no matter where you stab the dog, it'll just split and divide, it isn't that hard of a concept to understand, the dog even tanked a giant rasengan, which has way more destructive power than most mokuton attacks.



    There's no way a summon that durable will die to something as petty as being stabbed by some wood.
    The head isn't just some random part of the body. Your first line is nothing more than an assumption, we've never seen the dog get pierced in the skull from multiple angles [1]. Yeah, the dog will continue to fight as normal without consequence if it's whole head has been destroyed by multiple branches of wood. The chakra receivers are indestructible and can't be destroyed, right? The Rasengan isn't comparable to the mechanics of Mokuton Sashiki, which isn't hitting the dog, rather, piercing/cutting/stabbing it's entire head. You may have well just compared it to Amaterasu and asked why it didn't put the dog down too. Once a brach goes in, Obito can have it grow and grow and inflict injury and pain on all parts.
     
         

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    Re: Let's get something straight.

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak the Truth View Post
    A much weaker version of it was shown recently against Naruto.
    He has not used Mokuton Sashiki against Naruto. Only a casual Mokuton form to try and hold him back as he tried to quickly warp Kakashi. It was situational. If Obito needs to destroy, as he would against Pain, then the big boys are going to come out.
     
         

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    Re: Let's get something straight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
    He has not used Mokuton Sashiki against Naruto. Only a casual Mokuton form to try and hold him back as he tried to quickly warp Kakashi. It was situational. If Obito needs to destroy, as he would against Pain, then the big boys are going to come out.
    If the combination of 5 Tailed Beast Bombs didn't demonstrate his will to destroy, I don't know what will.
     
         

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    Re: Let's get something straight.

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak the Truth View Post
    If the combination of 5 Tailed Beast Bombs didn't demonstrate his will to destroy, I don't know what will.
    Yeah, it's situational, why would he use Mokuton Sashiki against a guy who's casually destroying Mountains? He's also looking to capture Naruto, not kill him.
     
         

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    Re: Let's get something straight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
    Yeah, it's situational, why would he use Mokuton Sashiki against a guy who's casually destroying Mountains? He's also looking to capture Naruto, not kill him.
    The Juubi was already on its way to resurrection, Obito's plan was to kill everyone else since then, it was Madara who decided to capture them.
    Mokuton Sashiki would be his best bet after failing with 5 TBB's, he didn't use it, because he couldn't.
     
         

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    Re: Let's get something straight.

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak the Truth View Post
    The Juubi was already on its way to resurrection, Obito's plan was to kill everyone else since then, it was Madara who decided to capture them.
    Mokuton Sashiki would be his best bet after failing with 5 TBB's, he didn't use it, because he couldn't.
    No, because Naruto or Bee's Bijuu bombs would've easily destroyed it. Obito wasn't stupid enough to waste chakra on something like that. Just because he didn't show it doesn't mean he couldn't use it, with this page being the perfect example with regards to the Rinnegan abilities [1]. It's just the same with Mokuton Sashiki really. You're not looking at the big picture here.
     
         

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    Re: Let's get something straight.

    Scenario...pain fights obito obito knows to take out the one that revives first now that path is stuck and notices with their CONNECTED rinnegans that his body appears in his dimension everytime he phases a attack by pain. He's figured out and then killed properly unlike the stupid nigg* kakashi should have with a chidori
     
         

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    Re: Let's get something straight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
    No, because Naruto or Bee's Bijuu bombs would've easily destroyed it. Obito wasn't stupid enough to waste chakra on something like that. Just because he didn't show it doesn't mean he couldn't use it, with this page being the perfect example with regards to the Rinnegan abilities [1]. It's just the same with Mokuton Sashiki really. You're not looking at the big picture here.
    He did show it, a much weaker binding version, what was stopping him from expanding a few branches on it to pierce Naruto?

    Obito......"waste" "chakra"? The guy who spams Kamui constantly?

    And then he used it on the alliance AND Naruto the moment he had free reign over the Juubi.

    Sorry but you're not making much sense anymore.
     
         

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    Re: Let's get something straight.

    Plus no matter what he has to fight konan as well and she already had a plan to kill him..he's kinda fu*ked on this one
     
         

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    Re: Let's get something straight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truemadara View Post
    Scenario...pain fights obito obito knows to take out the one that revives first now that path is stuck and notices with their CONNECTED rinnegans that his body appears in his dimension everytime he phases a attack by pain. He's figured out and then killed properly unlike the stupid nigg* kakashi should have with a chidori
    Now why didn't I think of this? This^
     
         

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