Let's get something straight.

[dmasta]

how can pain beat itatchi doesnt add up

[dmasta]

i say pain is second strongest

[★-Punk-]

yes pain was stronger ..... he had more in his arsenal to caunter fodditos pathetic 5 minutes joke...... & itachi is aslo stron than foddito

obito being with madara right now & being the only one alive , has nothing to to with being the strongest , itachi died for sauske & nagato for naruto ..... if it wasnt for that ..sonner or later LORDS itachi & nagato would've destroy obito on way or the other

[TouchMyMangos]

Zesto isn't that bright .

Obito's Kamui is enough to take Pain, its the sad truth. None of Pain's arsenal pressures him enough to exploit the five minute weakness.

However there was once a theory of Shinra tensei overcoming Kamui.

agree with this. what an incredibly stupid thread. noone in akatsuki has a counter to obito's kamui and mokuton.

[Fusion Reborn]

Itachi and Obito stands a chance.

[TheBrightSide]

Not sure where the notion that Obito is not capable of utilizing mokuton at will is coming from.

Doesnt seem to be in too much emotional distress.

[iSpeak the Truth -in detention-]

No. I said Naruto has the potential to easily destroy it with such power, so Obito (knowing this) obviously wouldn't use it if a Bijuu Dama or a chakra roar could defeat it, effortlessly.



Again, you need to learn to look at the situation. Obito was trying to grab Kakashi (to warp him), who was near collapse. He merely restrained Naruto so that he could quickly complete his objective. No point using Mokuton Sashiki against Bijuu Mode Naruto when even his chakra arms could swat the branches away. He would've accomplished nothing by doing that, and missed a golden opportunity to warp Kakashi aswell.

We always knew Obito was half Zetsu, he could have used it on a number of people during and long before that fight. You keep making assumptions on their thoughts while it is fact that he has never used it ever since he went berserk with an external Zetsu body and while using the Juubi as a medium.

[iSpeak the Truth -in detention-]

Not sure where the notion that Obito is not capable of utilizing mokuton at will is coming from.
Doesnt seem to be in too much emotional distress.

I never said basic Mokuton. He can't perform more complex jutsu like Mokuton Sashiki on his own or without using some kind of medium.

GOING TO BED

[TheBrightSide]

I never said basic Mokuton. He can't perform more complex jutsu like Mokuton Sashiki on his own or without using some kind of medium.

Not really sure about that. He has Senju DNA just like Madara and we have seen Madara use full scale mokuton ninjutsu on multiple occasions. What makes his case so different?

[KillYondaimeHaters]

I usually agree with you. But on this one I have to disagree. I don't see pain injuring obito. Obito has full knowledge on the rinnegan. He knows how to counter it. Plus all he really has to do is touch each path and they are history.

[PureSkillz]

How are the 6POP gonna hit Obito? He was effortlessly fighting KM/BM Naruto, Kakashi, Gai, and Bee at the same time.

All without being touched until Kakashi figured out the secret of Kaumi..

[a banned cartoon]

Obito's six path powers are far greater than Pein's. it even states it in the manga when Naruto battles his six paths. That being said, Nagato, and his six paths are way cooler.

[enditallsin]

Ct kills anyone in akatski,anyone but obito that is

[Truemadara]

It is within Obito's powers to do so.

Where has Konan shown the ability to teleport? She hasn't. Nagato would have to re-summon her to his location and by that time, Obito could've warped Nagato with only a single touch.



He needs to stay connected so that someone is in control of the Juubi. If he uses Kamui, his entire body will be engulfed by the explosion and the connection with the 10 tails will be lost.



You would have seen that I said the fight (if Obito actually fought Pain) can go either way.

Ok I agree they both can win under some circumstance. And by teleport I ment summon..wrong choice of words...

[Truemadara]

I usually agree with you. But on this one I have to disagree. I don't see pain injuring obito. Obito has full knowledge on the rinnegan. He knows how to counter it. Plus all he really has to do is touch each path and they are history.

This is so dumb....there is two things that can happen
A: he tries to grab a path and the path gets pulled out by deva path while another path attempts to steal his soul

B: he achieves this grab and finish technique and gets figured out because the paths have "CONNECTED" vision...meaning whoever is in his dimension will see his body appear while they attack. Or they can just re summon everytime he grabs one.

He can only win by attacking the real nagato..that is even if he can escape because everytime he tries to warp which he turns solid(deva path uses universal pull) he's not going anywhere

[CrimsonIgnition]

i know this is old but hahaha

[-Raviel-]

If by Pain u mean Itachi then i concur

[lilshell43]

Nagato>Obito

[Deadai]

I believe Pain can defeat pre Rinnegan seeing as how Tobi is not a sensor he will not be able to find Nagato and he will not be able to warp the body's as long as he is constantly being attacked.

[youngdolce]

Tobi might of had a miniscule shot, or maybe a good chance when he had his own paths, but obito(without the juubi) has been figured out, and defeating him is rather simplistic. Hell, Konan figured him out. So what does that say?

[Resurrected Orochimaru]

Agreed, Pain could take Obito.

[Nicksterz]

Nagato wins. Mid diff.
all Six Paths, and at full power?
No.
If you say Obito wins, your a troll.

[brizzy]

Pain (Nagato) is very strong but Obito beats him high diff (Obito without rinnegan). Kamui, Mokuton, izanagi and uchiha jutsu's will just about cling a win for obito.

no not at all rinnegan>sharingan

[Q of the Sharingan]

Pain has more than enough jutsu and animal summons to make Obito use up his 5 minutes, if Konan could do it, it'll be easy for Pain.

There is nothing that Pain has that can cause an continuous 5 minute assault with no lull time. The only reason Konan was able to do it was because she had prepared the battle field before hand. I think Obito takes this with Kamui, Uchiha jutsu, and Mokuton. Izanagi is overkill.

[Bijuu13]

i give it to Obito

A five minute interval is much less vulnerable than the five second interval.

And Deva Path is the only real threat. What can the other paths do to Obito ?