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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    You're kidding. You don't know the definition of selfish. If he was selfless, he would have worked to protect the village, just like his SELFLESS brother
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    You people act like no other character is selfish, lol anyways.... Sometimes it seemed like he was selfish, but yes I see what you mean and I agree.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Now the question is... Aren't the konoha elders selfish?
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Sasuke's doin what any man should, he already lost everything now he's goin to make the people who caused him that pain pay.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jman1997 View Post
    You people act like no other character is selfish, lol anyways.....
    to bad this thread isnt about which character is selfish otherwise you might have a point
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    If by selfless you mean he cant do anything by "himself" then sure.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    The way that sasuke's story and his characters's introduced, there has to be a little selfishness. It's impossible to have his kind of character growth without being a little selfish but the point is that his desire to avenge his clan outweighs a few moments of selfishness. Also in all of the situations mentioned above he has a pretty strong reason for doing what he does.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    That's his role in the story, duh.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jman1997 View Post
    Now the question is... Aren't the konoha elders selfish?
    No...what they do is to benefit the village as a whole. It has already been explained how Sasuke is selfish. Sure, he's doing everything to get revenge for his clan, but how will his clan benefit from it? NOBODY benefits from his revenge, the only person who does is HIM. HE ALONE gets some sense of satisfaction, and if that is not the definition of selfishness, then it should be.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Sasuke wasn't selfish at first, and in a way, he's not now. But, he's more so in between.

    Also, for those who say Sasuke is selfish because he isn't doing Itachi's wishes, he's just doing what he thinks is best. As twisted as it seems
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amaterasuice View Post
    Sasuke wasn't selfish at first, and in a way, he's not now. But, he's more so in between.

    Also, for those who say Sasuke is selfish because he isn't doing Itachi's wishes, he's just doing what he thinks is best. As twisted as it seems
    Nooooo. Answer me this. WHO benefits from his quest for revenge? Certainly not anyone from the leaf. His clan is dead, so they cannot benefit from it. He hates Orochimaru and Obito and Madara, so there's no way that he's aiming to destroy the Leaf for them. No, the ONLY person who he means to benefit from his revenge is himself. That's selfishness.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    The time he saved Naruto from Haku by taking the hit
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    L O L

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Well thinking Sasuke's actions are selfish or not is just an opinion....it depends what your point of view is on Sasuke's revenge, but that doesn't you're opinion is correct and that goes for everyone here even the smart asses.
     
         
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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Selfish and kinda gay.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Going from having everything to losing everything without knowing why would make anyone afraid to get close to another again, and I'm pretty sure would mess him up psychologically. I don't like or hate him, and his chosen path is obviously not the wisest but I doubt he's doing it to gain power for selfish reasons.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Quote Originally Posted by KGB Kakuzu View Post
    At first no. But when he went to Orochimaru it was a tad bit reckless...he was willing to betray his home (which his clan Honourably represented....well st the time) just to avenge his clan....kind of put a black mark on his already destroyed clan. Then once realizing his clan was killed on an order...I believe this is when he starts to cross into selfish. Sasuke decides everyone in Konoha must die, because his clan was murdered for trying to rebel....honestly there is more to life than just the clan...the village, family, and friends make up life. I mean hey look at Hinata....she was a main branch member, but didn't think of her clan as the greatest thing in the world.

    The farthest Sasuke should have taken this was liking Danzo. Danzo is practically the soul person behind his clan's demise as I believe Hiruzen could have talked it out. Sadly Danzo did his stupid, this method makes Konoha's safety absolute so we do it...

    But no he chose that everyone still needed to die because they all laughed in happiness thanks to Itachi's sacrifice. Note that even Sasuke kinda had laughs or good moments from this as well so it is almost hypocritical.

    Sasuke started out very selfless in terms of avenging s clan and helping Naruto....his obsession on revenge turned to childish and rash decisions
    The whole deal with sasuke destroying konoha and the people of konoha is because of their unavoidable ignorance. What I mean is that even if sasuke went and told people Itachi did everything for your benefit and he was truly a good person, they would go to the higher ups and the higher ups would deny this. So this causes him to believe that the only way to purify his clans name is to rid the world of the lies of konoha.

    People need to understand that konoha is as good as you may think. Konoha is a down right corrupt village. For example, if te uchiha clan massacre was really just why keep so many secrets hidden from the people about that event. The answer is simple, it was far from a just act. People believe that out of no where the uchiha clan just decided to revolt. If they knew that konoha superiors ordered the attack then they would most likely want to find out the reason for their planned rebellion. They would find out that konoha pushed the uchiha clan to the point that they decided to strike back against the village.

    At the end of the day is it selfish for sasuke to want justice for his clan. I don't think so. In truth, his clan does deserve justice but for his clan to receive justice konoha must finally own up to its lies. If the ninja world ever find out about what Itachi did for it( he ended edo tensei except madara stayed) then konoha would have no choice but to tell the truth.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    HELL NO! He treats everyone like crap for no reason. Naruto brings Sasuke to the hospital so Tsunade could treat his wounds and Sakura hugs him being very glad his ok but yet all he could think about is Naruto possibly being stronger than him and getting revenge I understand you want to get strong enough to beat Itachi and your still emo from him beating you up but you dont have to take it out on innocent people shoving a apple out of poor innocent Sakura's hand when she's worried about your well being. Sakura's also the same person that protected him when he had the curse mark and the sound genin were going to kill him if it wasn't for her, Lee, Shikamaru, Choji and Ino killing time he would have been dead. Kakashi tells him how revenge will get him no where but more suffering you think with Kakashi being over twice his age he would know about this Sasuke sassily yells at him that he dosen't WTF! This also again shows Sasuke has no respect for authority figures. Sakura is crying begging for him not to o down the path he is because she CARES about you but he calls her annoying and knocks her out. What kind of heartless person would do that to a lady?Sasuke proving to be even more heartless after Shikamaru gives that wonderful and touching speech about how Sasuke is a fellow Konoha shinobi and that he would put his life on the line to bring him back than when he finds out they did all this he LAUGHS mechanically and stabs his Chidori right though his closest friend and comrade who had spent a year with Naruto right in the chest and his smiling while doing this. Than he brutally puts his hand on Naruto's neck and starts choking him. THAT FUKING B*TCH!



    When we first see him in part 2 he brutally mechanically slaughters Orochimaru's men. And even betrays Orochimaru cutting him into slices like a pizza with his Chidori enhanced Kusanagi the very own sword Orochimaru GAVE him. Did I also forget to mention after he learns the truth about Itachi he mindrapes a innocent bystander from the hidden cloud village with genjutsu. Attacks and cuts off the 8 tails tentacle for no reason but to help akatsuki. Abandons Suigetsu and Juugo in the kage summit two people who helped him and if it wasn't them he would be dead Juugo literally gave some of his lifeforce so a worthless peice of crap like you can survive.




    Brutally stabs Karin right in the chest with his Chidori with a emo smile on his face than laughs when she falls down.


    Not to mention he has no respect for authority figures. Calling Kakashi - Sensei by Kakashi. The nerve of him! Kakashi is his elder and teacher without him Sasuke wouldn't have never learned Chidori one of his most deadly techniques and Sasuke cant even work up the respect to call him by his title which is Sensei which in japanese means teacher he outranks Sasuke so his title should be sensei!


    Quote Originally Posted by BlackBison View Post
    The whole deal with sasuke destroying konoha and the people of konoha is because of their unavoidable ignorance. What I mean is that even if sasuke went and told people Itachi did everything for your benefit and he was truly a good person, they would go to the higher ups and the higher ups would deny this. So this causes him to believe that the only way to purify his clans name is to rid the world of the lies of konoha.

    People need to understand that konoha is as good as you may think. Konoha is a down right corrupt village. For example, if te uchiha clan massacre was really just why keep so many secrets hidden from the people about that event. The answer is simple, it was far from a just act. People believe that out of no where the uchiha clan just decided to revolt. If they knew that konoha superiors ordered the attack then they would most likely want to find out the reason for their planned rebellion. They would find out that konoha pushed the uchiha clan to the point that they decided to strike back against the village.

    At the end of the day is it selfish for sasuke to want justice for his clan. I don't think so. In truth, his clan does deserve justice but for his clan to receive justice konoha must finally own up to its lies. If the ninja world ever find out about what Itachi did for it( he ended edo tensei except madara stayed) then konoha would have no choice but to tell the truth.


    He wouldn't have to because back than Sasuke was only Konoha's problem and Tsunade was the one in charge due to Tsunade understanding Naruto's feelings towards his friend she would have believed him. Besides I always wanted Sasuke to be a rogue nin and leave Konoha alone im tired of whenever something happens to him he has to target innocent people.



    Konoha had good reason to blame the Uchihas for the Kyuubi's attack [if that's what your talking about when you talk about them striking back aganist the village] the Uchihas were already natural born enemies of the Senju so it's only natural for them to become suspisicous and move them to the back of the village. Hiruzen made a promise to Itachi that he wouldn't speak a word of the Uchiha massacre and that they would keep Sasuke safe IIRC.


    His clan dosen't need justice they brought everything except the Kyuubi attack on themselves. It was never shown in the manga them being treated unfairly infact the opposite was shown they praised their sons Itachi and Sasuke on how well they did in the academy. All that was shown that was unfair was them being in the back of the village, if they really cared about their children, their family and everything else they wouldn't go so far as to plan a coup d'etat.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Actually he is pretty selfish...he intends on killilng all d innocent villagers of konoha just for d sake of his so called revenge

    He is ready to use all sorts of means(bad or good) to complete his mission..he's gone completely blind n so he's acting selfish in my opinion
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Naruto9001 View Post
    He wouldn't have to because back than Sasuke was only Konoha's problem and Tsunade was the one in charge due to Tsunade understanding Naruto's feelings towards his friend she would have believed him. Besides I always wanted Sasuke to be a rogue nin and leave Konoha alone im tired of whenever something happens to him he has to target innocent people.



    Konoha had good reason to blame the Uchihas for the Kyuubi's attack [if that's what your talking about when you talk about them striking back aganist the village] the Uchihas were already natural born enemies of the Senju so it's only natural for them to become suspisicous and move them to the back of the village. Hiruzen made a promise to Itachi that he wouldn't speak a word of the Uchiha massacre and that they would keep Sasuke safe IIRC.


    His clan dosen't need justice they brought everything except the Kyuubi attack on themselves. It was never shown in the manga them being treated unfairly infact the opposite was shown they praised their sons Itachi and Sasuke on how well they did in the academy. All that was shown that was unfair was them being in the back of the village, if they really cared about their children, their family and everything else they wouldn't go so far as to plan a coup d'etat.
    If the uchiha massacre was in fact a truly just act why keep secrets about it from the people. The told a lie that was Itachi Uchiha, on his on accord massacred his fellow clansmen for no reason. This is their lie. They needed to hide the fact that it was an order to kill the uchiha clan. They created multiple lies to hid any suspicions on this event, since if people figured out that it the masscre was ordered then they would want to find out everything including why the uchiha revolted. This would expose konoha and the high ups don't want this.

    The uchiha clan chose to give hashirama the seat of hokage in order to preserve peace between the two clans that decided on a peace treaty. This is why madara got pissed because his own clan betrayed him in his mind. The events dealing with the uchiha unjust treatment began during the reign of the second hokage. Second hokage made the uchicha the police force aka the dogs of the senju. They were pushed to the far ends ok konoha away from everyone else. Yes, they were mistreated and this caused them to revolt.
     
         

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